CRYSTALS POG

Ordinance is such an awesome and unique map really glad to be seeing it here!!

EDIT: Had to take the discord link out cause too many people were trollign with it, please add me for the discord invite :)

Hi there everyone.

As most of you know by now im working directly with many Map Developers on their 6v6 oriented maps. All these developers are extremely hard working and creative people and have amazing maps to be played and I need a larger list of people I can use for testing!

I have been running map test pugs during the mid afternoon before scrims and I would like to find more people involved around the mid IM+ range (low IM is fine). This is a preferable skill level just to keep everything even in the pugs and provide the most accurate play testing and will be able to abuse parts of the map better than others which will more distinctly demonstrate changes needed in said maps.

If you feel you fit this skill range, and you are interested in helping map developers and also playtesting some very fun maps that could be at the forefront of 6v6 in the future, please get involved!

Join my discord here;this is where playtesting will occur and also a channel providing all updated versions of the maps. (Notifications on for this channel is preferable so i can @everyone when testing happens) all server info will be provided for you when the pugs start!

Also add me on steam and express your interest so I know to message you if i need more people/you want to discuss the maps in general :) https://steamcommunity.com/id/emceeLbp/

Thanks everyone! if you have any questions please don't hesitate to post or any maps you would like to see in future post them as well!

zanda is an epic playmaker and a beauty young canadian buck

big team, i love all these guys (and gal). This will be a great squad for midas to prove himself on, good luck to these guys this season

omg this map is so open and has too many doors

https://clips.twitch.tv/UnusualSavagePonyPeteZarollTie

fack you facts....

congrats on an incredible map and all your hard work :)

I equally can't get over the people who never tested any such items in their existence in TF2 and then refuse to believe that some people who played the items with multiple teams and lists for 2 and a half hours don't know more about those items than the people who have literally never used them.

please man. the testing may not have been super in depth but the same people bitching about the players not doing enough play testing weren't exactly rushing in to help get the weapons tested lol Phantom has been asking you all the play these pugs for weeks.

if you're not willing to test, do everyone a favor and just shut up and let the scrims in the next weeks do the testing. This thread is actually pointless, more theory this and theory that. It serves literally no purpose.

This guy sent me hate mail over TFTV for not trying him out.

what?

Bump I really need more demos

map rotation down to 8, -cardinal -badlands -granary +propaganda +logjam

it is definitely accurate to put the negative feedback of this map in the bandwagon mentality because there hasn't been enough playtests from a majority of players to prove otherwise. If players don't want to be put into this category then they need to show a willingness to develop a map instead of shit on it from a couple playtests before they even know the meta of the map (which is very true here, don't bother saying its not)

She literally stated in her departure statement and her Statement on TF2 maps that she would develop this map because of its inclusion she just isn't partaking in the competitive forums anymore.

Quote from TF2maps statement from Phi

youre kinda putting words in b4nnys mouth here. He is a supporter of the map yes but he has never said the map is in a good state and has even suggested huge changes to second (like you are referencing) and this map is actually still being worked on behind the scenes despite Phi's departure from the comp community, she has stated she will see this map through.

the map is universally disliked for the same reason all new maps are universally disliked; people are uncomfortable playing new maps and don't play the map enough to really learn it and have a meta for the map develop. There is problems, of course, that is what development for. But to say that cardinal doesn't fit the current flow of the game more than say granary or badlands I feel isn't an accurate statement. The map is made by an incredible good and competent map designer who has made extremely good competitive maps before and despite what a majority thinks, there are more people out there than you might know that actually think this map is playable and has potential, it just doesn't see play because of the bandwagon mentality.

give the map more than a season to develop, let changes come and let a meta develop and you will see the map improve. This is the exact same scenario all the current staple maps have gone through. Every. Single. One.

To be fair we did 2 playtests with yosh (one of the best snipers in NA) and he didn’t find these angles very abusable, from what I can remember. Also yes I’m 100% sure you can take splash damage off the back wall behind these windows, the shacks in front of the windows also balance it out because the player on the shack can deal the damage to the player in window but the player in window can’t reliably deal damage back due to the angle of the shack

These are interesting, but you have to keep in mind the majority of your team and the medic spawn on the left so for demos and roamers if you roll out on the lower or top right door you will have way less buff to work with, also since you spawn on the left I’m pretty sure it’s actually faster to rollout far left