don't fucking tell me what to do.

Sorry for the slight necro post, but I wanted to respond to particular posts in this thread.

Just because you haven't contributed money to the scene, doesn't mean you can't comment on it. sigafoo is free to do what he wants with that money (as I have with my own); but if I was in his spot? This is not what I would do. If I decided that $4000 would be worth spending on TF2, I'd much rather do one of these: 1) spend it on an invitational 6s cup with a big prize pool and try to get big names (e.g. mix^) to play for a weekend, and also pay production to do an insanely good job of casting and streaming it, 2) contribute that towards another i-series (correction to sigafoo's video; the i-series is where the best TF2 has ever been played. Bar none.), or 3) create a 6s league that might actually stand a chance of surviving long term (this needs more than 4K dumped into it I'm PRETTY SURE).

Just for fun, I'm always curious why paid leagues haven't tried something similar to the ESEA model with no premium but also with a free tier with very low stakes (I haven't thought much about it, but something like "free entrance into the equivalent of IM"), and keeping the stakes higher on the other tiers. Theoretically, this should be the best way to keep everyone in the same league instead of the crazy split(s) we have and have had over the years (at one point, we had ESEA, CEVO AND UGC at the same time).

HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA, yeah, that's EXACTLY how this would play out! Everyone is immune from criticism because they put up some money! (yes this is sarcastic)

Valve haven't said anything like that. I don't know where you got this (I watched the interview, it didn't say anything super new in terms of philosophy, nor did it mention prize pools at all). They also didn't comment on how 6s is played in ESEA, at all. All they talked about is bridging the gap between the communities, which is a good goal (if only they executed on it a little faster...).

You wanna know why this 7v7 prolander format has problems? Pick/Ban phase added when it's unnecessary. Forcing classes to be played when they aren't necessary (by the way, this works against how TF2 was designed). Is the meta in 7v7 prolander going to be any different than HL no Pyro no Spy?

If you want a different meta, then the game's balance has to change. Not what comes afterwards. The meta is a result of optimized play, not a cause.

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LOOK AT THIS SHIT HE USED TO DO!!!!!!!

Is it really a risk if no one sees it? I haven't played much of the current meta (like a couple scrims at most), but nuze and I talked about the details in the meta, and really, the only actual way to be able to punish arrow building is if you can spot it and sack then. If that's accurate, that really kills the flow of the game, because it removes consistency. Building with a basher scout was already a relatively tough thing to do even at higher levels (there's a decent amount of memes about it), but medics like indust refined that skill into strong advantages.

I'm not going to deny it adds mechanical depth and fun to medic. But it seems to be at the cost of consistency in strategic depth of the game.

Instead of just talking about it, why not try it out for a bit?

I would love to see a stripped down optimized whitelist that really emphasizes solid play. I still hold hope for Valve's future involvement, but I think until they actually properly communicate what they want (not just "having faith" in them; I was against that from the start), 6v6 should ban out the unlocks that don't contribute to the meta in an interesting way. Troll weapons, suboptimal weapons, etc. I get wanting to have as open of a whitelist as possible (I'm in favor of that), but that only matters if the weapons are getting balanced/reworked.

Why not just create a REALLY solid, really tight game mode? Why not try it for one season? If there's ever a time for competitive TF2 to try out different things (including rotating new and old maps back in, PLEASE), it's now. The players lose very little (in the case of map rotation for ESEA, 1 week and/or 2 matches) IF the change is unfun, but the potential gain is a LOT (new staple map? Feedback for map makers to make improvements?).

Valve nerfed Demo and buffed Scout, fundamentally, after years and years. Anyone crying about fundamental changes (especially ones being made FOR THE BETTER) really don't have a valid platform to stand on.

Limiting trolling is better than nothing. I think having a more vanilla whitelist will honestly be way better for the average game, and at least reduce trolling in more lopsided games (as mentioned). What reason do you have to NOT ban troll weapons? What do they add? Because this argument doesn't make sense unless those same weapons are adding a benefit to the game.

Granted, my opinion is a bit out of date because I'm just basing this off of while I played/was around, which covers the span of the vanilla 6v6 list to just before the global whitelist, but not since then. But I think a more vanilla 6v6 list would emphasize what keeps the competitive players in the game.

Also, LISTEN TO MARXIST.

Incorrect.

I've got a MadCatz Fightstick Pro (Amazon) I'm selling since it turns out...I'm not that into fighting games.

I'm pricing it at $70 + shipping (if applicable). As far as I know this is the best price (before shipping), that's obviously on purpose. It's in like new condition (I used it maybe once or twice, ever), but without the packaging/manual/etc.

If we're in Northern California, I'm willing to meet up and trade in person, skipping out on shipping, because I know shipping this will be kind of a pain. I'm actually not sure what the exact cost will be, so any advice is good for making sure it gets there in the same condition is appreciated. I'm willing to ship out to further places, but I imagine it's not going to be worth it to buy it from me at that point. If any international people are interested, let me know and I can find out.

bye idiot

I've been sitting in Slack where all the communication and coordination is being done and I'm very proud and impressed with how well TFTV has been running. Turbo has really done well to push momentum and keep THE MACHINE going, so mad props. He's easily the most organized coordinator TFTV has ever had, NA or EU wise.

The mood has been really good, too, and everyone who's been in there is doing a good job of actually talking with each other and resolving stuff, like a real organization should do.

Keep it up, lads. You guys are doing unprecedented work, don't ever forget that.

SEE YA.

Shut the fuck up.

Dude, shut up. How do you even know how much b4nny or anyone else organizes things? Are you some kind of back end guy that literally none of us knew before? Have you ever been involved?

Do you know who runs these events? Let me be the first to tell you, it isn't b4nny. He certainly likes having his name on everything, but you're kidding yourself if you think he's actually productive when it comes to organization.

Look, I don't even mind b4nny personally. Even with all the shit that's happened, I still think he could help the overall community. But, he needs to adjust his attitude towards people who work with him. I have no idea what he's like with Shounic, but I sure as fuck hope Shounic is getting paid well, because I know I would (and I do) have a ton of other projects way worth more than making b4nny highlights (also he's talented af).

b4nny's in a great position to legitimately grow the community and his fanbase. But, right now? He's stopping his own plan of growth. Just think about it. No one in the game cares enough to antagonize b4nny like that (for good fucking reason). Ever notice that he's the only one responding so fucking seriously?

Hope that helps you past the brainwashing you got.

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Sorry to rain on the parade a bit, but. did anyone from TFTV actually agree to do casting? This is the first that a bunch of us are hearing about it. We're trying to confirm with everyone on staff but no one currently online knew about casting.

EDIT: Okay, coverage has been clarified. An agreement actually did get made. Sorry for the false alarm.