I'd be interested in doing coverage of open if you wanted to extend it down that far. Maybe not a weekly thing, but filler on slow weeks or something?

fair enough, it would be a good feature.

you don't have to, just message killing.

cheesy will unironically be the best scout in open next season and i am not being facetious when i say that

I can definitely see it being really exciting, especially in invite, but it could be really frustrating in the lower divisions where teams can come out of nowhere much more easily. It'd be awful to have a couple straight 'seasons' where you're the 3rd best in your group because of teams coming out of nowhere, but you'd be the best in half the other groups. Of course, there's a similar problem with our current setup, but at least teams get their money's worth in playing a full season, even if it's filled with losses.

I really like the map pick system as well as the bo3 style you're going for. If you really wanted to do that and keep it in line with our standard season setup, you could try the etf2l ruleset on each map. It'd lead to some interesting pick/ban situations with maps and would force teams to be much more adaptive, knowing they could be playing any of the map pool. Teams would have to work on certain maps much harder rather than just throwing in the towel on a particular week and accepting some losses.

he literally said in his first post that his opinion should not be a huge consideration when making these decisions. I'm not sure why you keep saying that he thinks his opinion is equal to anyone who plays competitively, much less someone who plays competitively at the very top level.

Hell, you're not even making arguments at this point, you're just attacking the guy for daring to share any opinion at all.

I don't agree with a lot of what this guy said, and I think his comment about viewers streaming to HL because 6s players are dicks is stupid, quite frankly. But he shared his opinion about the topic at hand (with full disclosure that he is a spectator, and his opinion should be taken with that in mind), and you're telling him that he shouldn't even get to share it.

Maybe I just don't get it.

TF2 doesn't need to be an ESPORT for us to encourage its continued growth (and it is growing). Hell, I don't want TF2 to be on that level, because if there was real money in this game I'd have yet another reason to not get off my lazy ass each morning.

manwithnoname made no controversial statements in his first post. He said that ignoring the viewerbase in these discussions keeps tf2 from growing (true, whether or not you care about tf2 growing). He said that casual viewers like watching maps that they understand (true). He said that standardizing the rulesets would be beneficial to the average viewer (true, and it's a fairly easy fix, once we get everyone's opinion). And he framed all of that from the perspective of a spectator of the game. He didn't even propose any real changes beyond what we're already discussing in the topic.

I don't see why you're so intent on denying tf2 any growth. We all know that nobody is gonna make a living playing this game. Nobody expects to. But ostensibly you became a part of this community because you enjoy playing competitive tf2, and it stands to reason that you should want to share that enjoyment with more people.

How would you approach seeding? Not just in invite, but in all divisions. This situation would definitely lead to some issues with that. Of course, in posting from my phone in between grading tests I may be missing part of the picture again, but it seems there'd be plenty of argument.

Dismissing his perfectly valid points because of a personal bias. Very good debate tactic.

While I agree that the people who actually play the game should be the ones making the final decision, it's stupid to just completely ignore everyone else's input. This guy, as a spectator of tf2, made points about what he enjoys when spectating. If the majority of players hate playing gpit, then we're not going to play gpit, but plenty of tf2 players (not you, june. we all know where you stand. You've hit us all over the head with it.) who wonder why tf2 isn't popular can certainly check this thread out where members of the community summarily dismiss the opinion of someone who wants this game to grow.

I guess what I'm saying is that while this guy may not be helping anything in the end, at least he's not actively hurting anything either by being dismissive and overly pessimistic.

Still looking for a soldier (either role). Please be comfortable playing aggressively. Getting pretty close to the season, guys. Pls help.

I haven't tracked the progress of this map too much, but are they cutting down on the size at all? Badwater would be absurdly big in 6v6.

I like the concept of a linear A/D map being introduced. It would allow for some of the other classes to shine in 6s, which would give some variety to the players as well as make the game a bit more fun for casual players to follow. I know plenty of 6s players who want no part of heavy/engy/sniper/etc in their game, but I'm in the camp that thinks this would be a positive change, if only for one week out of the season.

This actually sounds freakin amazing for someone like me who's always playing this game anyways, but I'm sure a lot of people can't dedicate that much time to matches in a single night (against evenly matched teams, you're looking at probably 90 minutes minimum, that's a long time to be focusing on playing tf2 at your best)

Also unless I'm misunderstanding, this makes the LAN situation difficult or impossible, yeah? Or are you proposing this system be set up for all divisions besides invite?

sometimes i lie about there being money in tf2 so when my roommates ask me why i spend so much time playing this game i can tell them there's a paycheck in it

I don't share the information freely, but if someone asks me, I'm not ashamed to say that I play a lot of video games.

carries hard