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#2759 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Are you keeping the 200R or do you want a smaller case?
Do you need any HDDs as well? If so, how large?
Do you want the SSD for sequential or random speed?

Main problem:
Not sure how well Altium Designer uses >4 cores. In Solidworks it doesn't do much >6 cores or nothing at all, except for rendering, which scales nearly perfectly as always.
TF2 obviously single threaded performance all the way.

So in theory you'd want an 8600K or 8700K.

Problem is PTI patches will hit in the next few days. Basically AMD says they aren't affected but any Intel CPU newer than the Pentium I got a security flaw that requires flushing the TLB every time you switched to kernel mode to fix it. End result is that syscalls are way slower. Performance impact ranges from single digit percent (few syscalls) to x times slower (e.g. getpid).
If you can wait until the performance impact is known then do so.

posted about 7 years ago
#10 Mitarsu's basic config in The Dumpster
cl_interp_ratio 1 / needs more reserchcl_interp_ratio : 2 : , "a", "user", "cl" : Sets the interpolation amount (final amount is cl_interp_ratio / cl_updaterate).

This isn't some great mystery. It does literally the same as cl_interp.

Also the spelling gave me aids.

I thought maybe in 2018 we could stop posting terrible cfgs every day.

posted about 7 years ago
#2757 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Yes, if the case is grounded via a plugged in PSU.
Ok, any questions left?

posted about 7 years ago
#2755 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#2751
Seems a bit strange. You can also just measure what length/height GPU/cooler would fit.
Is the mobo full ATX?

Have you made a decision yet regarding the CPU?

#2752
A better GPU won't get you more fps in TF2.
And yes, define acceptable framerate.
60? 144?
1080p?
Medium or High or Ultra?

I wouldn't go by brand, rather by specific models. All brands have low end models, mid range and overpriced high end models.

FYI you might just about be able to afford a 1070 Ti. https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/BFWrxr/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1070-ti-8gb-video-card-gv-n107tgaming-oc-8gd
Of course only get one if you actually need the performance to get the fps you want. Depending on what you'd be content with even a 1070 might be overkill.

#2754
Why do you have windows in CAD in there?
As in you bought everything except the monitor, OS, GPU and RAM already? What is your budget?
No, just don't build on carpet and touch something grounded beforehand to be safe. A radiator, a lightning rod if you are athletically inclined, whatever you want. Assuming you're using a type B plug (grounded) the case of the PSU will be grounded when it's plugged in (even when turned off). The mounting screws will connect the PSU and the case. So if the PSU is already mounted inside the case and screwed and plugged in then touching the case works. Otherwise it doesn't. That's why you usually start with that when building, so the case is definitely not charged. You can unplug the PSU after that to prevent accidentally turning the pc on through a massive case of butterfingers.

posted about 7 years ago
#2747 PC Build Thread in Hardware

You can't overclock your current CPU.

You should:
-definitely get a GPU
-either get a 8600K or 8700K and actually overclock it if you want more fps in those CPU limited games or
-get something cheaper with >4 cores (e.g. 1600(X)) if you only want streaming performance to improve

Also

SetsulCurrent case? For max GPU/cooler/mobo size and cooling.
posted about 7 years ago
#2745 PC Build Thread in Hardware

A) Quantity over quality. Streaming can use as many cores as you throw at it so 8 cores at a lower clockrate will still run circles around 4 cores because you're never going to get those to twice the clockrate. It's the opposite for games where more cores rarely do much (at least beyond a certain point) and even a minor increase in clockrate gets you more than multiple additional cores.
B) IPC = work done per cycle. So basically speed = IPC * clockrate. Bottom line is if you're streaming the 8700K can't get to the single core turbo of 4.7, it's only going to run at 4.3, maybe 4.4. So best case is something like 15% more fps while streaming and the stutter gone and maybe 20% more while you're not streaming. Unless you overclock.
C) Depends on how much is left of the budget.

PUBG is basically a pile of shit. I mean any somewhat decently clocked quad core gets you 100 fps on very low. No matter how much single threaded performance and cores you add you only end up getting another 20 fps at best and looks like it's GPU limited. On the other hand cranking all settings up to the max only costs 20 fps so it doesn't seem to be GPU limited after all.

RAM is very expensive right now but it might not get cheaper anytime soon. Per GB 16 should be a bit cheaper so you might as well.

To summarize:
TF2: Streaming: more cores will definitely help.
Not streaming: 20% at best if you don't overclock. More if you do.
Modern games: You're not CPU limited even now, so only the GPU will matter.
PUBG: GPU upgrade should help, CPU won't do much. 4790 would be somewhere between the 8100 and 7700K, so once the GPU isn't the limiting factor anymore a better CPU will get you maybe 5 fps (see benchmark).
Witcher 3: Same as modern games. GPU only.
BL2/TPS: Definitely not GPU limited. Should be around the same as TF2 when not streaming. Unsure if more cores will help the minimum fps (averages are already high enough) so I wouldn't bet on getting more.

Basically other than streaming you will get somewhere between 0 and 20% more fps* if you're not overclocking. Considering you will have to buy a cooler and Z mobo (and decided on the 8700K, so unlocked CPU as well) you'd be spending over half your budget (+ RAM) on overclockable hardware. For "up to 20%" this really does not seem to be worth it.
If you only care about the streaming there's cheaper options.
If you want extra performance then actually commit to it and overclock.

*not counting borderlands because minimum fps are different and difficult to predict. Could be more, could be less.

posted about 7 years ago
#2743 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#2740
So 100$ for RAM + 200$ for the rest, right?
I'd still recommend the same mobo and a midrange cooler.
Lots of options.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/smbp99/be-quiet-cpu-cooler-bk015
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8GBrxr/scythe-mugen-5-rev-b-512-cfm-cpu-cooler-scmg-5100
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JgCrxr/enermax-ets-t50-axe-black-623-cfm-cpu-cooler-ets-t50a-bvt
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mjdqqs/phanteks-cpu-cooler-phtc12dx
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jK8H99/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h5universal
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TsL7YJ/thermalright-cpu-cooler-machodirect

#2741
A) Welcome to TF2. You could change the CPU preset but it would mostly be solved by throwing more cores at it.
B) How many fps are you getting now with those settings? Realistically you're going to get 10% IPC (more realistically 5%) at best and the rest is clockrate. So going from 4.0 GHz turbo 4790 to for example Coffee Lake (doesn't matter which exactly since >4 threads won't help) at 4.8 GHz oc would get you 30% at best. Do the math.
C) Yeah, just need a GPU upgrade for that.

PUBG: Good luck getting 144 fps. https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1532/graphs/Very_Low.png
Witcher 3: GPU upgrade.
Borderlands 2/TPS: Averages would be easy, no drops isn't happening. https://www.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2014/games/blps-bench-1.jpg
Again do the math, but you'll have to throw a lot of CPU power at it to get the drops above 144 fps.

Are you going to overclock?
Current case? For max GPU/cooler/mobo size and cooling.

posted about 7 years ago
#2737 PC Build Thread in Hardware

ATX 24 pin? I know the locks can be very stubborn. Instead of pressing on the top with your finger until it hurts lift the bottom with a small screwdriver, then put a second one in the gap so it stays open. That way you can focus on pulling up instead of having to hold the lock open.
Wasn't aware that Corsair is selling singular cables, since to be honest I really do not keep up to date on stuff like that, I thought that was your problem. Considering shipping you're not going to get a fitting cable much cheaper. Best not to take the risk of getting the wrong pinout to save 1$.

If you want a proper mobo (6 cores + OC and all that, wouldn't cheap out) e.g. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QNX2FT/asrock-z370-extreme4-atx-lga1151-motherboard-z370-extreme4
RAM prices on pcp are apparently not being updated frequently or not properly so you might have to search manually.

16 GB could be doable <300$, obviously not <200$.
8GB now and upgrading later is obviously better than cheaping out on the mobo.

posted about 7 years ago
#2735 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Popularity is not an indicator of performance.
Aios can compete with high end air coolers, the problem is that they cost 50-100% more for the same performance while being far louder.
http://www.relaxedtech.com/reviews/noctua/nh-d15-versus-closed-loop-liquid-coolers/2
Keep in mind that that review is actually a favourable scenario for aios since they didn't wait an hour for water temperatures to rise.

So from a performance standpoint the H100i v2 or otherwise isn't that impressive.
If price is a concern then it's plain bad.
If noise is a concern then it's abysmal.
If cost is no object then it's laughably outclassed by proper watercooling.

Of course you can gimp the comparision if you compare >100$ aios with <50$ low profile coolers and ignore noise levels but honestly that's just utterly retarded.

Apart from getting low profile parts for the sake of getting low profile making no sense. I'm not sure which low profile noctua cooler you mean since there's multiple, but even if you mean the largest, the NH-L12S it absolutely does affect performance significantly.

RAM speed and timings have always mattered. I suggest you try reading again what I wrote.

SetsulRAM speed is not about multitasking.

The benefits of faster RAM will not magically multiply by opening spotify. Nor will they disappear when there's only a single program running.

posted about 7 years ago
#2733 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#2733
Budget?

Full set of cables is going to be rather expensive, so you can try customer support but I wouldn't bet on it.
Once you removed everything (maybe take the mobo out of the case) it should be easier to get a good grip on the cable (especially the lock) and remove it.

#2734

Milani'd recommend going for the corsair h100i liquid cooler but if that's too expensive go for the noctua low profile quiet cpu air cooler, something mid range.

1. H100i is outdated and not even that good.
2. Aios are generally shit.
3. In what universe does a low profile cooler on a full ATX board make sense?

MilanAlso for the ram you'd be able to take advantage of the higher clocked 3000mh speeds if you're someone who likes to do a million things while gaming (i personally have corsair vengeance 3200mhz) 16gb.

RAM speed is not about multitasking.

posted about 7 years ago
#2730 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Because twice the bandwidth.
240 pin is DDR3. DDR4 is 288 pin.
Kaby Lake doesn't support DDR3 anymore officially so your choices are
-100 series chipset with Kaby Lake. Good luck with that, cheap mobos won't support updating without a CPU and you can't use the G4560 because it's not supported without an update.
-100 series chipset with Skylake. No Hyperthreading on the Pentiums so either much more expensive i3 or slower Pentium.
-200 series chipset with Kaby Lake and DDR4.

Not about capacity. With DDR3 you could get 2x2GB. It's still a terrible idea.
Can you really not afford it? Drop the GT 1030 and get the G4600 instead, then buy a proper GPU later.

posted about 7 years ago
#10 Gtx 1060 and my PSU in Hardware

FYI going by the type of cooler you can't oc and have a <100W CPU so that and a 120W GPU + whatever else you're running should be absolutely fine with a 450W PSU if you want to save 10$.

posted about 7 years ago
#2728 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Forgot to mention a few things.
Getting an SSD later means reinstalling windows.
I don't think anything below a GTX 1050 / RX 560 is really worth buying. You're much better of either buying a used GPU or sticking with integrated graphics until you can afford something better.
You want dual channel, which is not an option with DDR4 and 4GB since there are no 2GB DIMMs.

posted about 7 years ago
#8 Gtx 1060 and my PSU in Hardware

Then you've got quite a few options.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na currently on sale
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DPCwrH/seasonic-power-supply-ssr550rm a bit more efficient but quite a bit more expensive.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3zNypg/corsair-power-supply-cp9020090na a bit more expensive still but also a bit better and fully modular.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sYyxFT/seasonic-focus-plus-platinum-550w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-550px if you want to max out the budget.

posted about 7 years ago
#5 Gtx 1060 and my PSU in Hardware

Not sure why you'd need a 2nd and 3rd opinion for a classic case of "I fucked up".
Also it doesn't seem like you even have a spare molex or something like that so even with adapter shenanigans I'd doubt your PSU does have the wattage. What marketing wants you to believe and wrote on the box can be very different from what the OEM actually put inside the PSU.

What would your budget be for the new PSU?

posted about 7 years ago
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