#25:
- Shortstop: It's "balanced" where it is; they really should just decrease the firing rate a bit and buff the reload speed though. The insane reload nerf made it unusable because of the animation alone.
- Pretty Boys Pocket Pistol: There are much worse sins, eg. cleaver.
- Sandman: Dying in one direct rocket is a decent downside. Shitty weapon, but there is worse.

- Cow Mangler 5000: Not a threat to balance, not worth voting over.
- Mantreads: See above.
- Disciplinary Action: Game doesn't revolve around it, PS Wrangler.

- Flamethrower: Already got its buff. Now has better DPS than the shotgun.
- Manmelter: Not a threat to balance. Scorch shot and the crit-combo weapons are much more necessary to look at.
- Homewrecker: Sapper removal is fair.

- Chargin' Targe: The problem is that charge tightness is FPS dependent and it makes it impossible to counter eyelander killstreakers on deathmatch (not SOAP, think "24/7 2fort") servers. Nothing will ever be on par with stickies, and if it is, it will be obnoxious. Stickies have delicate checks and balances, the shields don't. Keep the shields "weak".
- Splendid Screen: Has its problems, but the only gamebreaking one is that you can kill a heavy from their full health in one bash and one slash.
- Ullapool Caber: Nothing wrong with it where it's allowed. Oh no, a demo 1-hit-killed someone in a pub! Too bad, he's dead too. The places where it is "broken" (eg. 2fort) are because of map design (you can stickyjump from spawn to spawm? seriously?) and other items that threaten balance (stickyjumper).

watching shootmania is like watching a low level quake duel

#14: He is. Pretty cool guy.

quaek

my fastest was 180
my worst was 300
they both felt exactly the same
i blame my hardware

tf2 should just support flat map textures like every other competitive quakelike FPS ever

Thanks for the demo, I'll check it out in the afternoon again.

@planks: I really did try to make them play well with splash, but if it's still not working right I guess I can cut off their ends and lower them flush with the other platforms.
Just for record, this is how the planks look for a12 in Hammer: http://i.imgur.com/QCn5h.png

@spawn timers: Right now they're identical to koth_ultiduo (I think?) but I'll skew them depending on point owner because the map give tactical advantage to the point owner.

@railings: All of the railings have blockbullets inside them because one of them 100% had to be cover, and consistency with these things is important. I definitely think that they should all be solid, and if it's confusing then I'll just look for a better prop if there is one.

it's also kind of impossible for sv_pure to detect /how/ you're modifying the game's files so it's not like it can allow flattextures but not mathacks, even if a server owner wanted.

HL 5CP meta currently relies on the disciplinary action to promote aggression so I don't know whether I want to fix it; it's one of the few unlocks that does something like the opposite of the wrangler
actually the only "problem" with it ATVM is bringing heavy to mid, which I agree is actually an issue but I don't know how to solve it without being unfair.

he literally killed KB Toys, which was headquartered in my city.
mittens killed one of my town's chances at restoring after General Electric left GJ romms

yes that's exactly what it is

too bad mathacks are moderately ineffective on their own in TF2

from my understanding there's no way to have touch return without a server plugin

this map is not gonna work well with 6s, it has some good architecture but the structure and pseudo-CTF gamemode are "pretty bad" for tf2's push/hold mechanics.

@12: rocketjumping OH WAIT MOST TF2 CTF MAPS ARE DESIGNED TO HAMPER THAT

i don't know who you are but that's a shitpost
EDIT: if you're serious obviously
actually nevermind, "ironic shitposting is still shitposting"

I accidentally left a random piece of test cover around so I have to post an update that removes it.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1811521/koth_bunkalow_a12.bsp

Sorry guys. Try not to play a11, because it's lopsided. Tell me if I made any other mistakes like that one.