I feel like there's a story here.

Anyway AMD isn't Intel so the 3600X comes with a better free stock cooler than the 3600. Considering that they boost to very similar clockrates it might not be worth if because the cooler on its own definitely isn't worth 30 bucks.

700W isn't the problem, just Chieftec in general and the PSU somehow not meeting the over a decade old 80+ Bronze standard. There are quite a few SFX PSUs >500W (or 600 for that matter) but they aren't cheap. Then again a good ATX PSU wouldn't be that cheap either so keeping the old one makes sense if your budget is limited.

Well how small do you want the case to be? There is a point where a dual slot full length GPU and the stock CPU cooler physically won't fit. At least the PSU you got is short (140mm) so any case that does support ATX PSUs should be fine, but obviously not all cases are large enough to fit ATX PSUs in the first place.
Frankly you're not going to get a carrying handle. Cases with those are rare, rarely cheap and either not big enough to fit your GPU or don't support ATX PSUs or both or simply aren't small. The "smallest" case that qualifies is the BitFenix Prodigy and that's a pretty bad joke. A mini-ITX case that's larger than most full ATX cases? Even the µATX version is still too large. I mean what's the point of µATX if the case isn't any smaller or cheaper?

moved out the country with my own pc, already got almost more bags than fingers on both hands, discarded both my am3+ and lga 775 cases for a euro each as scrap metal, carried my pc in three separate bags in makeshift carboard cases
went from

now that im hopefully moving(for the 5th time) in a place with a desk id like to not have a pile of hardware on cardboard, i was gonna even consider test benches if only a bunch of metal rods and a plate didnt cost like a fucking full tower case

i just want the smallest possible package containing all the components i own and intend to own, i stumbled across things like cooler master elite 110/130, watching a couple of reviews and builds and its just a bit bulky imo, like, id prefer a case towards the thinner and taller side, where the psu sits above or below the mobo but couldnt really find one thats not SFX or is like not 250 eur, and since i reckon i will do a lot of moving in the future with no real logistics other than public transportation, id like it to fit in one of those bags

http://www.yihuiint.cn/imageRepository/b671a239-423d-473a-8c9f-8e497745ded7.jpg

dead serious

Ah yes.
I'm not sure if the task bar on top makes the upside down monitor less weird or even weirder.

Smaller than an Elite 110 isn't going to happen but less cube-shaped is doable.

I require bag measurements. I don't shop at Lidl.

no its the stock placement for me

would be great

doesnt have to be lidl, i think its a generic plastic fiber bag virtually every large store franchise use and the measurements are somewhat identical, its wide enough to house an ATX psu with some more space left to the sides

Yeah I know, I've seen the other pictures. That's not the standard config either, but neither is having the monitor hanging upside down, so I was wondering if the weirdness is canceled out or amplified.

I think it would be better if you measured a bag you've got or made a guess than if I guessed how large that bag is since I don't even have any similar bags lying around.

An ATX PSU should be 150mm wider so 15cm + x, maybe ~20cm wide? It looks more than twice as long and high so >40 litres, more than enough for even a full ATX case. So you might be overestimating how small you need to go. Mini-ITX is usually more expensive than µATX, at least if you want a decent mobo so we might be able to avoid that.

i just change it this way to any machines that i own

ironically dont have one right now and i cant buy it right this second, shops closed

well none of my epic prebuilts from 2007 could fit(though dont remember in which regard) and these were regular ATXs, so

I'm not judging, just thought it was funny.

Ok, I'll just look for options close to 15cm to be sure.

There's a difference between "just big enough to fit an ATX mobo" and "big enough to fit ATX, EATX, XL-ATX and 12 HDDs".

they were identical height, but since i owned one for 12 years i know for a fact it had 4 5.25″ drive bays and 6 3.5" drive bays all stacked in one vertical frame ceiling to bottom, not sure how this corresponds in metric but yeah lmao

i remember why it didnt fit, even without the front panel, that added 2 cm in length, the case was too wide, because it had like 3.5-4 cm of free space between the PSU and the opposing wall

those bays stretched the case in lenght too which is probably the second reason neither of those make a case fit into my hobo bags

didnt actually know this was the case, since the previous two gens ryzen X processors came without a cooler, but even discovering that the 3600X comes with one, frankly i find a slightly higher clock not worth 30$, and im going to overclock it on a stock cooler and TIM anyway cause thug life

Uses are just gaming at this point. Using a second PC for streaming so just looking to have a solid gaming eXperience. I guess a pretty important thing of note is that I'm likely going to be getting a Valve Index soon, so being able to have a quality VR experience is a high priority

Will consider swapping back to an air cooler, mostly just curious to try out an all in one water cooler

I've never gotten unlucky with getting a mobo with an incompatible BIOS, but the mobo is the biggest point that I'm unsure about for this build (fuckin braindead when it comes to mobos). I am looking at the Z390 Gaming X, but it seems to be maxed out at DDR4-2666. Any recommendations with higher RAM clocks?

#3501
There are a ton of cases exactly 20cm wide but that would be cutting it very close if it fits at all and make putting the case in the bag and getting it out again a pain in the ass.

For µATX there are quite a few options, e.g. Silverstone PS series, all round 17x36x40cm or Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 3, 18x38x40 and many more. Full ATX would be something like a BitFenix Nova (183x437x465mm) or Antec GX200 (185x412x450mm). They should still just about fit in the bag.

Keep in mind that you don't want to just go for the narrowest case. 17cm with 15cm gone for the PSU means less than 2cm for cablemanagement on the other side. Some ATX 24 pin PSU cables will be a tight squeeze. No problem with flat cables or the complete garbage non-bundled loose wires that you can just press flat, but those tightly bundled will be roughly circular in cross section and not fun to squeeze in.

Haven't paid attention to the number of 2.5" slots. You can always put a second SSD in a 3.5" instead or get an M.2 SSD.

I think it was just the 1700X and 1800X. Even the 1600X got a version with cooler although there was one without as well and 2700X and so on all came with a cooler.

#3502
You don't get to do that, you're not eXtine.

Not sure what there is to try out. It's a cooler. For more than 130$. It's not better, it's not quieter, it's just more expensive. So if you ever wanted to know what it feels like to spend 131.99$ on a cooler go ahead.

2666 is the official support without XMP. Gigabyte lists 4266 with XMP. Not sure how much higher you need to go.

I see, I misunderstood the info I was reading. Seems like that's probably what I'll rock then, thanks!

I forgot to mention it but if you're not streaming a 9600K would probably be enough.

Also if for some reason you want to use onboard sound the Gaming X wouldn't be ideal. Next cheapest option with better onboard sound would be an MSI MPG Z390 Gaming Edge AC or ASRock Z390 Extreme4. Same price atm, same audio chip, WiFi on the Edge AC, although there is a slot for a WiFi M.2 card on the Extreme4, more RGB options on the ASRock I think because that's really important and some other minor differences.

well im not exactly the person to be stopped by a sub 2cm clearance, i can always just cut the braided plastic mesh off or do some wack ass hobo shit, so if you know anything close to that, go right away, besides, do you think i ever managed cables routing them through the back doing it the normie way

I'm glad you mentioned that. I have been using a sound card for the last 4 years that I kinda just forgot about lol. It's a PCI so I wouldn't be able to use it on any of the mobos listed (or any decent motherboard in 2019 I imagine?)
Would you recommend a sound card in 2019? Or some sort of external USB DAC/AMP

Or option 3 of just getting a mobo with decent on board

#3506
Yeah, should've seen that coming.

#3507
Well there is no Z390 mobo with PCI as far as I know.
Sound card ist fine. External DAC/ADC is better but more expensive.

That's the same chip as on those mobos:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/ag12dp/realtek_alc1220_vs_sound_blasterx_ae5_my_findings/
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/b8p9l8/realtek_alc1220_vs_sound_blasterx_ae5_corrected/
Basically even good onboard sound is still shit because it's a 1$ chip with little to no decoupling and no shielding on the same board as VRMs pushing 100W into the CPU and right next to the VRMs pushing 200-300W into the GPU. At least they put the chip in the bottom left corner to get it as far away from that noise as possible (GPU VRMs are on the right, CPU on the left of the socket at the top of the mobo). But then the signal then either goes through unshielded cables that are thrown into the big cable management bundle with the cables carrying those same 400W to get to the front panel or it goes through the board right next to the VRMs because that's where the audio jacks are.
At this point any electrical/audio engineer will say "Fuck this shit I'm out. Wait, on second though I need this job, but don't expect any miracles".
Your sound quality literally depends more on the GPU load and specific GPU and other cards you've installed than on the chip actually doing the work. That just puts a ceiling to the quality under ideal conditions.

I'm trying to get a pc build for my brother. He doesn't play tf2, he wants it for playing new release triple A games. His budget is $1700 in Canadian currency and he wants part of that budget to include a 144hz monitor with free sync / g sync. Doesn't want to overclock.
Here's what he came up with: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/PFyy4n He would like any suggestions for improvements.

For that money he can get a better PSU.
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/KmgzK8/seasonic-focus-gold-550w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-550fm
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/bkp323/seasonic-focus-plus-gold-550w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-550fx
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/bqVD4D/corsair-rmx-2018-550w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020177-na
First one is only semi-modular, so if he can afford it he should go for whichever of the last two is cheaper when he buys the parts.

2x8 GB should be enough. He can add another 2x8GB if he really needs it later. That way he can afford faster RAM, an HDD or a larger HDD, simply save some money or any combination of those.

This is the one thread I care about. I never get the first/last post on a page. Until it also gets the nuked post offset bug.
Why has god forsaken me?

I tried to get used to the wrong "1 unread" but I can't.
Please send help.

I mean you got "jump to first unread post" link fixed even if the counter is still off by 2. That's something. I believe in you.

Hello friends!

I want to get a new PC to play video games (not just TF2, also newer stuff) as well as being able to edit videos up to 4k. I think I might somewhat know the basics but I'm definitely not a PC expert so I'm asking for opinions on this setup. A friend recommended me to go with r5 3600x and RTX 2070 Super so that's what I went for for now, it's not a must though. This is pretty much at the higher end of my budget btw, can't really afford a lot more at this time.

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/Lw9Bcq

A few other general questions:
Does the manufacturer of the GPU matter a lot (MSI, Gigabyte, Palit, Gainward, etc.)?
Is it better to get 2x16GB or 8x8GB RAM?
Is a regular air CPU cooler enough or is water cooling heavily recommended at this point?

Any help is greatly appreiciated!

No, the cooler and clockrates matter much more.
Do you mean 2x8 or 4x8GB? Fitting 8 sticks into 4 slots would certainly be a noteworthy achievement.
Unless you want to go for a crazy overclock watercooling is never necessary and it that case you'd need a much more expensive mobo to even get there. You also can't afford it. All-in-ones are never recommended because they don't do shit. https://www.teamfortress.tv/12714/pc-build-thread/?page=19#555
Honestly do you even plan on overclocking? I'd just drop the cooler and use the free stock cooler. Maybe even drop the X because the 3600's performance is so similar anyway.

Not a fan of the PSU considering what you can get for the same price.
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/bkp323/seasonic-focus-plus-gold-550w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-550fx
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/sMM323/evga-supernova-g3-550w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g3-0550
Or less if you don't use pcp because it sucks outside of the US. https://geizhals.de/evga-supernova-g3-550-550w-atx-220-g3-0550-y2-a1549684.html

2070 non-Super or 5700 XT are also options if you want to save a bit of money.

whoops, yeah, I meant 4x8GB, just wanted to know if it makes a difference if you split the 32GB into 2 or 4 sticks.
Also I don't plan on using pcp, just saw it in this thread and it looked like a good way to list parts, I usually use mindfactory for PC building stuff.

Thanks a lot for your continuous help and support on this thread Setsul. Me and I'm certain many more truly appreciate it!

No difference in performance, so 2x16 GB is probably better just in case you want to upgrade later. Or 2x8 for that matter, but that might be cutting it close for 4K.

No problem, have fun building it.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kTfQDx

It's me again, after a month and a half. Black friday is coming along so I might pick up my PC in a week. I have a few questions though.

- First and foremost, is the build good or should I change something (incompatible parts and whatnot)

- Does the PSU support the GPU? I randomly found something on reddit that says there's different kinds of pin connectors for various GPUs and PSUs, and I have no idea if the one in the build supports the gpu I picked

- Also, this one might be dumb as shit, but it's my first time building a pc - do I need to buy a separate cooler or is one included with the cpu or whatever? I know coolers can be added, but is it necessary to buy one right off the bat, or is it something optional? If one is required, what's a good price to shoot for and what should I be looking for (idc about RGBs or whatever, I just want a functioning one)

- Edit: Oh yeah also, is the sapphire pulse I picked good or should I pay an extra 35 eur for a sapphire nitro+. Or should I drop AMD entirely and go with a 2060 super or something

I don't know if that RAM is good for overclocking or something, but you should almost 100% look for much faster RAM, at least 3000mhz minimum.

The 3600 does incluce a cooler when you buy it, so you can try out the stock one and if you're not happy with temps/noise level you can buy a third party one.

The GPU should be absolutely fine with the PSU, as far as I am aware.

Thanks

Also the ram I'm looking at is 3200mhz, pcpartpicker just didn't have it in their lists, or I couldn't find it at least

alright setsul brother, black friday/cyber monday is around the corner

this time i can step it up a notch and decided to potentially dish out my psu in favour of corsair sf 750w sfx, although im pretty sure silverstone ST45SF will work just fine granted it has 8+6 pin and i dont think i will reach even 350w despite 770 taking 230 of those

so, with SFX in the game, any more cases you got on your mind?

also got this bag, not lidl but hey, the dimensions, although kinda botched since i made those with a 20cm ruler are as followed: width ~17.5cm, lenght 43.5cm, height 29cm

edit: in fact, any sfx 450w will work, evga, seasonic, corsair, silverstone, theyve all got enough juice and pins, the sf750 was just the first thing that popped when i filtered sfx, and honestly i reckon 90% of my cpus value is a bit too much

For anyone looking for RAM that is cheap but good, get any micron memory with AES in the part number. I have a 3000 mhz kit, It's 70 dollars and will overclock past 4000 mhz. Currently I run it at 3600 mhz with cl14 17 17 34 timing with rock solid stability.

This is what I bought, but anything with AES uses the same chips. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MGPH9R9
there's no real reason to get anything else unless you're looking to spend in excess of 100 dollars on memory. it's pretty much a perfect fit for ryzen, and it's good value on intel as well.

#3516
The warning about the BIOS is accurate. The rest should work.
You've got enough connectors for two GPUs.
Cooler is included.
If you want a faster GPU get the Nitro+. If you want a slower GPU get a 2060 Super.

#3517
Yep.

#3518
Good.

#3519
Only 17.5 cm width and only 29 cm height mean there are almost no options. Silverstone ML09 would work. Or get a slightly larger bag so ~35 cm height and ~45 cm length or something like that would work.

Alrighty....I'm back....

So just managed to snag a couple things;
- 2080 Super (https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing-accessories/components-upgrades/graphics-cards/msi-geforce-rtx-2080-super-8-gb-ventus-xs-oc-graphics-card-10202179-pdt.html)

- 32gb Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) 3200mhz (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07GTG2T7L/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

- 9700k (https://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-core-i7-9700k-s-1151-coffee-lake-refresh-8-core-8-thread-36ghz-49ghz-turbo-12mb-1200mhz-gpu-95)

Seemed to be pretty good pricing overall. The RAM I got from Amazon because RGB + had 25 quid in Amazon vouchers to use. Hopefully it's good enough....

Just wanted your opinion on a specific NVME SSD and a Motherboard. SSD would need to be 1TB at least. I'm clueless when it comes to motherboards, so any specific suggestion would help a lot - In terms of budget, would ideally not want to go over 350gbp combined for the SSD/Mobo, but can do if you think it is necessary.

<3

Hi

My pc just died so I'm considering buying a new one. I already have a new gfx card and a power supply.

So I'm looking for a processor, motherboard and case I'm considering a Ryzen 5 3600X, looking for suggestions for the other stuff. Smaller is better, as I want to be able to bring it to LANs, but it obviously needs to fit all my stuff as well (one ssd, one hdd). Don't plan on using more than one gfx card (gtx 1060) or any other cards. Also don't plan on overclocking the processor so I think stock cooling will be fine.