hey, not too recently i got an ultrawide, 3440x1440 at 144hz. started playing tf2 a bit again as well, and have a bit of difficulty pushing 144+ fps at fullscreen. running it in a window at 1080p is comparatively much better, but still get some frame drops.

ive currently got a ryzen 1700 and a 970, so im curious whether im cpu bound, or if its actually a gpu bottleneck at full resolution. not sure whether i should upgrade to a 3rd gen ryzen first or get a used 1080ti.

Yeah the upgrade is mostly just for gaming/streaming. My current GPU was bought around the time of Apex's release since with my previous GPU the fps was pretty terrible even with everything as low as it could go.
Right now I'm able to play Valhalla on medium settings but the fps is pretty bad (guessing around 30 but I can edit this post after I test it).

I tried streaming Valhalla and with streaming at 720p60fps I was getting massive frame drops until I changed my output to 30fps and set StreamLabs priority to high, but even then going back to the vod the gameplay looked super choppy.

So getting a 5600x and putting the money I save on it compared to the 58/89 towards a better GPU would be a good option?

#3751
It's TF2 so it's the CPU.

#3752
Get new GPU and use GPU encoding (though you can even try that now).
Then maybe get a 5600X if for some reason you still think you need it.

If I'm only getting a new GPU, would something like the upcoming 6800XT be overkill for my setup?

(Checked my SL settings, already using GPU encoding)

6800XT actually seems fairly reasonable if you're going for 4K.
Obviously wait for benchmarks and see if it gets you the performance you want in the games you play before buying anything.
Also check your PSU, it'll draw more power than an RX 580. 550W should be on the safe side.

The 6800XT got better encoding (how much better we'll have to wait for reviews), if that doesn't fix it there's probably something wrong with your settings or connection.

Sweet I'll probably do that then. If I can get away with just a GPU upgrade I may as well do that.
My current PSU is the EVGA SuperNova 850 G2L, so I should be okay there.
I also looked up Cyberpunk recommended settings out of curiosity, and their recommended Intel CPU is actually the 4790k anyways.

Appreciate the help!

alright so i came up with this build

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB KO GAMING Video Card
Case: NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: be quiet! Pure Power 11 CM 400 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply
Total: €1017.24

i have an i7-7700 cpu in my current pc which i could use and spare some money. should i just use that (of course then i would have to use a different motherboard than the msi b450) or is the amd ryzen 5 3600x going to outperform my i7? main goal is source game performance

do you have a high refresh rate monitor?

i was already making an essay on how if you reused the cpu, motherboard and memory you save enough to get a 3000 series nvidia card or the new amd ones but you edited your post explaining you are looking for source performance primarily

if that is the case you might as well get the new ryzen 5600x because its got the best single core performance in source games at the moment(for its price & not including the higher models) or something like a 10600k which should be comparable to 3600X(in price) you have listed (altho with a more expensive motherboard)

edit: now im also oddly curious if you cant just scratch this whole build idea altogether and upgrade your GPU and potentially PSU, because the PSU looks like a standard ATX one which can be swapped out for any power supply of your choice

the real question is whether should you, because normally these OEM PSUs have decent enough efficiency except lacking in the GPU power delivery department because they either lack the wattage or the connector pins, if the PSU is like 300W you can just slice in a 1650(super) since a good half of them dont even need a 6pin connector for them and you arent really leaping leagues forward in terms of single core performance coming from a 7700 to 3600X

here is something to consider

https://i.imgur.com/d38UsWi.png

thanks for the in depth reply. alright so a) new gpu and psu or b) new build right? I'm kind of on the fence of just building something new from scratch since i've been working and saving up quite a lot lately and i get pretty terrible frames on this pc and pretty bad input lag (around 130-160 fps on gully mid for example on mastercom low dx95) and upgrading the gpu should in theory not do much since tf2 is cpu bound. so my train of thought is, that my current pc is just a lost cause and upgrading around wont do too much.

edit: on 144hz.
judging from that imgur it would probably be smarter to recycle the i7, could probably also save some if i convert the ram

alright so here we go. swapped out the case and the gpu for some cheaper alternatives
CPU:-
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110-D3A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 580 8 GB ARMOR OC Video Card
Case: Corsair 110Q ATX Mid Tower Case
Total: €489.67 - reusing my current ram id be at 410€ total

5600X or keep the 7700.
If the goal is better source engine performance why bother upgrading anythng but the CPU (and mobo obviously)?
A new GPU isn't going to magically make TF2 not CPU bound.

Get a good CPU, mobo, maybe RAM if you can afford it (makes selling or reusing the old parts easier as well), reinstall windows, maybe overclock and see how that goes. I guarantee you that reinstalling windows and better RAM (TF2 is weird) will have a larger impact than even an RTX 3090 would have.

#3758
PCMark is not that great, especially not when judging source engine performance. The benchmark thread is much more accurate in that regard.
The PSU is fine, it got two 8 pins. It's an ok design, not some ancient garbage with half the wattage on the +5V rail.

Just updating that I finally built my PC over the weekend, and it works great. The 5600x is averaging about 40C at idle, and 70-80C in-game on the stock cooler and balanced power plan. I'll see if I can get any good deals on coolers for Black Friday, if not, then I'll save my money for upgrading my 1070. Thank you again for all your help.

Looking to complete a build:
Already got case (500dx) hdd, ssd (970 evo plus) and mobo (aorus x570 elite)
Initially was going for a 5600x but we all know how that went
My old pc is really close to dying so I am not sure if i should buy a ryzen 3000 series now or wait for reliable restocks of zen 3
also not sure about the whole ram situation with 5000 series and unsure if i should buy memory before deciding on 3000 or 5000
rough budget for the rest is 800-900€ but I would be okay with stretching for superior performance with a little overpay

X570 for a 3000 would be a waste and generally buying a 3000 now doesn't make much sense.
Wait.

Not sure how you'd know your pc is "close to dying". Usually that's just windows. Or maybe one part is dying. E.g. nice graphics artifacts mean the GPU is dying.

To be honest you shouldn't even have bought a mainboard before buying a CPU. Not like any of this will get more expensive so why buy it earlier than you need to?

What CPU would you guys recommend for stable 244fps on the lowest settings with FPS config and 4x3 res?

244 seems oddly specific.
I don't think you can get "stable" fps in TF2.
Also I've got no idea which CPU would be good enough for 244 fps with those settings (6s? HL? pub?) and which would be overkill and I don't care enough to benchmark and extrapolate.

Hey, need opinions on an upgrade, currently I got:
CPU: AMD FX-8350
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3
Memory: not sure which (CPU-z says Muskhin is the manufacturer) 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR3-2333 (NB freq ~2215 on CPUZ)
Storage: 256gb SSD the non NVME version
Video Card: rx 560 4gb
which nets around 145-150FPS on mastercomfig benchmark (using low config) at 1440p windowed

Now I would like to upgrade to a 1440p 144hz screen so I'm guessing beefing the PC up is necessary as well.
As I want to spend the least amount of money possible I figured I could just upgrade my CPU and ram (and the motherboard so it fits the new CPU).

So what do you guys think about upgrading that system with:
Motherboard MSI B550M PRO-VDH
CPU Amd 5600x
and 16gbs of 3200hz ddr4 ram

edit:
goal is stable 144hz in tf2. The extra ram is there because I plan on running multiple screens (not for gaming) and people on the internet said that having a lot of ram is good for that.

So you're getting 145-150 fps at 1440p windowed. And you want 144fps (I assume you mean fps not Hz, if your monitor's refresh rate is unstable I'd be very worried) at 1440p, maybe windowed, maybe fullscreen?
What exactly is the point of this upgrade then?

Why would more monitors need more RAM? Do you think higher resolutions need more RAM too? That's all VRAM, the GPU, not RAM. Not that is a noticeable amount for desktop usage or in TF2 anyway.
No reason not to get 16GB anyway though. Could also go faster, 3600 MHz or something like that.

Don't cheap out on the mobo, you'll regret it.

Wrote it on a phone so it's a bit wonky :P
Well the benchmark test resulted in ~145fps, but realistically in games it drops under 60 in some cases, so getting a stable 144fps definitely requires and upgrade

No idea really, just read that you need ram for multitasking
I'll look at 3600MHz, thanks

wdym? I got it off 4chan/g/ pcbg recommendation list, thought it was ok

Ok, makes sense then.

Multitasking is sort of independent of multi-monitor though. You can only click/type in one window at a time, no matter how many you can see, so it's just a matter of how many programs are running and the number of monitors doesn't restrict that. Still, 16GB is the right choice.

Well the B550M PRO-VDH is much better in that regard than others or even previous generations of the same. It does have 4 RAM slots, 3/4 fan connectors, good enough VRMs and CPU-less BIOS update (those are usually the things missing on the cheapest mobo of a lineup) but the less than ideal onboard sound, no USB 3.x (only 3.0) and no external USB-C, only 2 PCIe x1 slots and no second x16 slot do remain, so be aware of that. It's not a problem if you don't need any of that but those are things you notice years down the line when you can't do anything about it.
Also never trust 4chan.

Just wanted some quick input.

Currently running an i3570K, GTX780, 16GB of RAM into a 1080p BenQ monitor at 120Hz.

I literally only play TF2. FPS has been dropping on me as of late, kind of thinking about an upgrade.

Suggestions?

Have you overclocked the 3570k? That could pull out some extra frames without having to spend money.

any hope for a ryzen 5700x in 2021? 5800x is a little much for me

Why would you want one though? For marketing reasons they can't really do a 6 core 5700X after the 3700X was an 8 core, not like they could do a significantly higher clocked 6 core anyway, so it would have to be a lower clocked 8 core.
If you want an 8 core that is slower per core than a 5800X (or 5600X for that matter) you can just buy a 3800X(T).

I don't know anything about hardware but would one be able to build a 10/10 gaming pc that can handle tf2 well with only $1600?

edit: I guess the better question to ask is what would be the mimimum amount of money you need to build a 10/10 gaming pc that can handle tf2.

what is your current build?
can u reuse parts from it?
what fps and quality settings?
any other games/software?
streaming?
can you wait few months for the good stuff to actually be in stock?

CPU 5600X with a good cpu cooler so you can do a bit of overclock (Noctua is really good)
GPU : honestly you can go for a 1660 super, no need for more if it's for tf2
RAM : go for a 3600MHz 16gb or faster but no need to go 32gb
you add ssd, hdd, power supply 500W or more, and a case you end up with a 1200 euros pc 10/10 for tf2

that also is depending if you want to stream or not, if you do want to stream, consider getting a better gpu.

not sure if it's worth going over 3600Mhz, but i heard that the 5600X can really benefit from higher speed ram, dunnot know

btw is there even a gpu bottleneck in source games that could held back a 5600x ?

#3774
Depends on your definition of 10/10 and whether it's exclusively for TF2, but it should be less than 1600$.

#3775/3776
Unless manage to find a GPU older than 10 years, not really. 1660S is very much overkill.

Hey ! I've gotten a lot more into video editing over the past few months, and I'm starting to feel very limited by my i3-8350K @4.7 GHz in that regard, since it's a 4/4 CPU. So I'm looking to upgrade my CPU and maybe other components if worth it, ideally towards the end of February or the beginning of March (hopefully things are in stock or at a price close to MSRP by then). My current build is :

- MSI Z370 A-PRO
- i3-8350K @4.7 GHz
- Be Quiet! Pure Rock
- 16GB RAM @3200 MHz
- GTX 1070
- Crucial MX500 SSD
- Seagate 1TB 7200RPM HDD
- Corsair CX450M PSU
- Fractal Design Focus G

I was considering getting a 500GB NVMe M.2 SSD to get Windows, basic programs and a few games like TF2 or Apex on too, so that I could have my footage and working directories on my SATA SSD, and thus gain performance in editing and rendering compared to having it on my HDD. Not sure about getting 16 more gigs of RAM, would that really be worth it ? I might have to change the PSU if I get a much beefier CPU as well I suppose. As for the GPU, correct me if I'm wrong but I still believe it's more than enough for 1440p-4K editing.

Ideally the goal would be to have a much smoother editing experience, without too much lag or delay in previews and upon making changes, while not sacrificing too much performance in games like TF2 or Apex at 1080p144 in general (assuming I were to lose single-core performance upon getting more cores, but maybe that's a bit stupid considering the performance of the last AMD lineup for instance). I also play some graphics-heavier games here and there but that shouldn't be too much of a factor since they're mostly GPU-bound I believe.

(On a side note, I'm planning on not throwing away my mobo, CPU and cooler if I am to swap them out, and would then consider buying a case, RAM, small SSD, PSU and cheap GPU second hand to combine with those for a second little PC than I can use for LANs (lol) or at-home 2-PC gaming with friends and family, or even gift to a friend eventually, so if you have any recommendations for that part I'd be interested too)

Budget for the main upgrade would be around 600-700 euros max ideally, and around 200-250 for the second little PC.

Thanks in advance !

If you're running out of RAM you need more, otherwise it's fine.
PSU should still be fine.
Same with the GPU.

Unless you need more than 8 cores/16 threads keeping everything and only getting a new CPU would be the cheapest. Even a new 9900KF is cheaper than a 10700KF/3700X/5800X + mobo.

A new SSD should be easily within budget, so why not?