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Try the GPU in a different pc or a different GPU in your pc or both.
If you're really bored reinstall windows.

Not really a build question though.

I'm struggling to get above stable 144 at 1080, have to play below native res to get frames because of this.

I know CPU is almost always the cause of any bottlenecks in TF2, but I'm wondering if the cause is perhaps the chipset? Resource monitor does show my CPU at 100% when FPS tanks in game.

Current Build:
Mobo - i7 6700
Processor - Asus H110I-PLUS D3
GPU - PNY Signature GTX 680

Basically my question is: If I want to spend the smallest amount of money upgrading some components, would it be cheapest to just get a new motherboard (I'm considering changing form factor from ITX), or should I look at getting a new CPU + Motherboard entirely?

The chipset doesn't affect performance. DDR3 isn't ideal though.

Most likely thermal throttling, it's mini-ITX after all.

The CPU and MOBO temps sit at around 60 under load, GPU around 40. My room is very cold :(

Yeah, I'm not sure about that. The mobo should not be at 60 and the CPU that actually generates the heat should not be at the same temperature as the mobo.
For comparision: Even if I push the CPU above 70 with benchmarks the mobo doesn't even get to 30. So I'm not sure which sensors you are reading or what kind of abomination your cooling setup is.

Actually yeah I just checked hwinfo instead of speccy and the mobo is 25.

To clarify, are you saying that if I wanted to increase frames in TF2, I would have to upgrade the CPU and a mobo upgrade wouldn't cut it?

That makes more sense. 60 were definitely core temps, not the package?

Well upgrading the mobo wouldn't do anything.
Any mobo upgrade would necessitate a RAM replacement as well unless you find one of the elusive and garbage LGA1151 DDR3 mobos.
In terms of CPUs supported by that mobo it's not looking good either (DDR3 mobos were phased out quickly because no one wanted them) and for 5% better performance because you can't overclock it's really not worth it.

Any signficant upgrade would require a new CPU, mobo and RAM. At least 250 for ~15%. Max without overclocking ~25% and that would be a lot more expensive. That's assuming your CPU is performing like it should be. More if it's not but then you should fix that rather than upgrade. If it is and you need more than +15-30% fps you're out of luck.

Playing pubs native res I've managed to get core temps to 73 max, maximum core0 usage was 92%, no thermal throttling according to hwinfo.

If I am to upgrade my CPU I understand I'd be upgrading mobo and ram too so that's fine, I'm just surprised that I can't get consistent 144 native res with this CPU.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/v7V68M

Any objections to this build? Or easy upgrades I'm missing out on? Willing to up the price a bit but don't really feel like the jump to the i9 is worth it for my uses

e: upped the RAM clock speed

#3490
Well that's TF2. Depends a bit on the settings but dropping below 144 fps in pubs is normal.

#3491
Well what are your uses? Can't exactly tell if it's worth it with no information.

https://www.teamfortress.tv/12714/pc-build-thread/?page=19#555

Also 300$ for a Z370-A is borderline criminal. A Z370-A II costs 140$. I hope you're not buying mobos by price, expecting them to be better if they're more expensive. Also if you don't want to have fun with the BIOS update (read: gamble if the CPU works out of the box or not, with no way to update if it doesn't) you should either get a mobo doesn't need CPU to flash the BIOS or a comparable Z390 mobo (e.g. Z390 Gaming X).

greeting mr setsul

im looking into a r5 3600 compact or rather a mobile, portable build and i need a case suggestion and a general advice or correction on something i may overlook
currently have
fx-4320
asus m5a78l-m lx
ddr3 kingston 1x1gb, 1x2gb
gtx 770
chieftec gps-700a8 (yea i kno i dont need 700w it was rushed to play an official, 600w wasnt in stock and both were the same price)
240gb sata 3 ssd
no case

now im looking at something like this
r5 3600(non x for that sweet free stock cooler)
i dont even know what mobo yet but literally doesnt matter anything that is micro-ATX/mini-ATX and works without flashing bios as i dont have another am4 cpu or willing to risk and just cba
16gb ddr4 dual channel(dual rank tho dont care)
looking to reuse the 770 tricky bit #1
looking to reuse the psu tricky bit #2
storage non factor although i think its worth mentioning its going to be the same ssd maybe expanded with another sata 3 ssd and this may or may not affect clearance
very important part, a small case, bonus points if i can reuse psu and my gpu, bonus points for a carrying handle
solely tf2/csgo build

i want to reuse the 770 because i already own it and the only better thing i could get is a low profile 1050(ti) which a) i need to buy(unwanted costs) and is b) in no way better performing but energy efficiency, on the other hand, if i were to keep the 770 i would need to keep my PSU as well for these reasons: a)i already own it b)i need a 8pin+6pin to power the 770(230w fucks sake) so most SFX/TFX cant power this thing on; c)i really would like to avoid spending money on a new psu because this one is not even 6 months old

this introduces a few problems: reusing a full lenght, two slot, two PCI-e pin card requires some space for the card, as well as even if the card would fit just fine, the psu would not, requiring me to buy an SFX one, and i figure if there is a case big enough to house both, why not keep a free, working, functioning stock ryzen cooler as i really dont want to spend even more money on something like a noctua
also it would be great if the case didnt cost like over 100eur

keeping 770 and the psu is very desirable(low profile 1050/ti+psu+SFF case can easily run as much as the cpu+mobo+ram and i really cant afford to spend that on a team fortress 2 build, im a bit on a budgie) but may make finding a case infinitely more difficult if at all possible, especially considering i dont want to spend over a 100 eur on the case, i can sacrifice the stock cooler if thats what it takes but i really dont want to get a new gpu and psu

I feel like there's a story here.

Anyway AMD isn't Intel so the 3600X comes with a better free stock cooler than the 3600. Considering that they boost to very similar clockrates it might not be worth if because the cooler on its own definitely isn't worth 30 bucks.

700W isn't the problem, just Chieftec in general and the PSU somehow not meeting the over a decade old 80+ Bronze standard. There are quite a few SFX PSUs >500W (or 600 for that matter) but they aren't cheap. Then again a good ATX PSU wouldn't be that cheap either so keeping the old one makes sense if your budget is limited.

Well how small do you want the case to be? There is a point where a dual slot full length GPU and the stock CPU cooler physically won't fit. At least the PSU you got is short (140mm) so any case that does support ATX PSUs should be fine, but obviously not all cases are large enough to fit ATX PSUs in the first place.
Frankly you're not going to get a carrying handle. Cases with those are rare, rarely cheap and either not big enough to fit your GPU or don't support ATX PSUs or both or simply aren't small. The "smallest" case that qualifies is the BitFenix Prodigy and that's a pretty bad joke. A mini-ITX case that's larger than most full ATX cases? Even the µATX version is still too large. I mean what's the point of µATX if the case isn't any smaller or cheaper?

moved out the country with my own pc, already got almost more bags than fingers on both hands, discarded both my am3+ and lga 775 cases for a euro each as scrap metal, carried my pc in three separate bags in makeshift carboard cases
went from

now that im hopefully moving(for the 5th time) in a place with a desk id like to not have a pile of hardware on cardboard, i was gonna even consider test benches if only a bunch of metal rods and a plate didnt cost like a fucking full tower case

i just want the smallest possible package containing all the components i own and intend to own, i stumbled across things like cooler master elite 110/130, watching a couple of reviews and builds and its just a bit bulky imo, like, id prefer a case towards the thinner and taller side, where the psu sits above or below the mobo but couldnt really find one thats not SFX or is like not 250 eur, and since i reckon i will do a lot of moving in the future with no real logistics other than public transportation, id like it to fit in one of those bags

http://www.yihuiint.cn/imageRepository/b671a239-423d-473a-8c9f-8e497745ded7.jpg

dead serious

Ah yes.
I'm not sure if the task bar on top makes the upside down monitor less weird or even weirder.

Smaller than an Elite 110 isn't going to happen but less cube-shaped is doable.

I require bag measurements. I don't shop at Lidl.

no its the stock placement for me

would be great

doesnt have to be lidl, i think its a generic plastic fiber bag virtually every large store franchise use and the measurements are somewhat identical, its wide enough to house an ATX psu with some more space left to the sides

Yeah I know, I've seen the other pictures. That's not the standard config either, but neither is having the monitor hanging upside down, so I was wondering if the weirdness is canceled out or amplified.

I think it would be better if you measured a bag you've got or made a guess than if I guessed how large that bag is since I don't even have any similar bags lying around.

An ATX PSU should be 150mm wider so 15cm + x, maybe ~20cm wide? It looks more than twice as long and high so >40 litres, more than enough for even a full ATX case. So you might be overestimating how small you need to go. Mini-ITX is usually more expensive than µATX, at least if you want a decent mobo so we might be able to avoid that.

i just change it this way to any machines that i own

ironically dont have one right now and i cant buy it right this second, shops closed

well none of my epic prebuilts from 2007 could fit(though dont remember in which regard) and these were regular ATXs, so

I'm not judging, just thought it was funny.

Ok, I'll just look for options close to 15cm to be sure.

There's a difference between "just big enough to fit an ATX mobo" and "big enough to fit ATX, EATX, XL-ATX and 12 HDDs".

they were identical height, but since i owned one for 12 years i know for a fact it had 4 5.25″ drive bays and 6 3.5" drive bays all stacked in one vertical frame ceiling to bottom, not sure how this corresponds in metric but yeah lmao

i remember why it didnt fit, even without the front panel, that added 2 cm in length, the case was too wide, because it had like 3.5-4 cm of free space between the PSU and the opposing wall

those bays stretched the case in lenght too which is probably the second reason neither of those make a case fit into my hobo bags

didnt actually know this was the case, since the previous two gens ryzen X processors came without a cooler, but even discovering that the 3600X comes with one, frankly i find a slightly higher clock not worth 30$, and im going to overclock it on a stock cooler and TIM anyway cause thug life

Uses are just gaming at this point. Using a second PC for streaming so just looking to have a solid gaming eXperience. I guess a pretty important thing of note is that I'm likely going to be getting a Valve Index soon, so being able to have a quality VR experience is a high priority

Will consider swapping back to an air cooler, mostly just curious to try out an all in one water cooler

I've never gotten unlucky with getting a mobo with an incompatible BIOS, but the mobo is the biggest point that I'm unsure about for this build (fuckin braindead when it comes to mobos). I am looking at the Z390 Gaming X, but it seems to be maxed out at DDR4-2666. Any recommendations with higher RAM clocks?

#3501
There are a ton of cases exactly 20cm wide but that would be cutting it very close if it fits at all and make putting the case in the bag and getting it out again a pain in the ass.

For µATX there are quite a few options, e.g. Silverstone PS series, all round 17x36x40cm or Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 3, 18x38x40 and many more. Full ATX would be something like a BitFenix Nova (183x437x465mm) or Antec GX200 (185x412x450mm). They should still just about fit in the bag.

Keep in mind that you don't want to just go for the narrowest case. 17cm with 15cm gone for the PSU means less than 2cm for cablemanagement on the other side. Some ATX 24 pin PSU cables will be a tight squeeze. No problem with flat cables or the complete garbage non-bundled loose wires that you can just press flat, but those tightly bundled will be roughly circular in cross section and not fun to squeeze in.

Haven't paid attention to the number of 2.5" slots. You can always put a second SSD in a 3.5" instead or get an M.2 SSD.

I think it was just the 1700X and 1800X. Even the 1600X got a version with cooler although there was one without as well and 2700X and so on all came with a cooler.

#3502
You don't get to do that, you're not eXtine.

Not sure what there is to try out. It's a cooler. For more than 130$. It's not better, it's not quieter, it's just more expensive. So if you ever wanted to know what it feels like to spend 131.99$ on a cooler go ahead.

2666 is the official support without XMP. Gigabyte lists 4266 with XMP. Not sure how much higher you need to go.

I see, I misunderstood the info I was reading. Seems like that's probably what I'll rock then, thanks!

I forgot to mention it but if you're not streaming a 9600K would probably be enough.

Also if for some reason you want to use onboard sound the Gaming X wouldn't be ideal. Next cheapest option with better onboard sound would be an MSI MPG Z390 Gaming Edge AC or ASRock Z390 Extreme4. Same price atm, same audio chip, WiFi on the Edge AC, although there is a slot for a WiFi M.2 card on the Extreme4, more RGB options on the ASRock I think because that's really important and some other minor differences.

well im not exactly the person to be stopped by a sub 2cm clearance, i can always just cut the braided plastic mesh off or do some wack ass hobo shit, so if you know anything close to that, go right away, besides, do you think i ever managed cables routing them through the back doing it the normie way

I'm glad you mentioned that. I have been using a sound card for the last 4 years that I kinda just forgot about lol. It's a PCI so I wouldn't be able to use it on any of the mobos listed (or any decent motherboard in 2019 I imagine?)
Would you recommend a sound card in 2019? Or some sort of external USB DAC/AMP

Or option 3 of just getting a mobo with decent on board

#3506
Yeah, should've seen that coming.

#3507
Well there is no Z390 mobo with PCI as far as I know.
Sound card ist fine. External DAC/ADC is better but more expensive.

That's the same chip as on those mobos:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/ag12dp/realtek_alc1220_vs_sound_blasterx_ae5_my_findings/
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/b8p9l8/realtek_alc1220_vs_sound_blasterx_ae5_corrected/
Basically even good onboard sound is still shit because it's a 1$ chip with little to no decoupling and no shielding on the same board as VRMs pushing 100W into the CPU and right next to the VRMs pushing 200-300W into the GPU. At least they put the chip in the bottom left corner to get it as far away from that noise as possible (GPU VRMs are on the right, CPU on the left of the socket at the top of the mobo). But then the signal then either goes through unshielded cables that are thrown into the big cable management bundle with the cables carrying those same 400W to get to the front panel or it goes through the board right next to the VRMs because that's where the audio jacks are.
At this point any electrical/audio engineer will say "Fuck this shit I'm out. Wait, on second though I need this job, but don't expect any miracles".
Your sound quality literally depends more on the GPU load and specific GPU and other cards you've installed than on the chip actually doing the work. That just puts a ceiling to the quality under ideal conditions.

I'm trying to get a pc build for my brother. He doesn't play tf2, he wants it for playing new release triple A games. His budget is $1700 in Canadian currency and he wants part of that budget to include a 144hz monitor with free sync / g sync. Doesn't want to overclock.
Here's what he came up with: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/PFyy4n He would like any suggestions for improvements.

For that money he can get a better PSU.
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/KmgzK8/seasonic-focus-gold-550w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-550fm
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/bkp323/seasonic-focus-plus-gold-550w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-550fx
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/bqVD4D/corsair-rmx-2018-550w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020177-na
First one is only semi-modular, so if he can afford it he should go for whichever of the last two is cheaper when he buys the parts.

2x8 GB should be enough. He can add another 2x8GB if he really needs it later. That way he can afford faster RAM, an HDD or a larger HDD, simply save some money or any combination of those.

This is the one thread I care about. I never get the first/last post on a page. Until it also gets the nuked post offset bug.
Why has god forsaken me?

I tried to get used to the wrong "1 unread" but I can't.
Please send help.

I mean you got "jump to first unread post" link fixed even if the counter is still off by 2. That's something. I believe in you.