granary boys

if we just vote to keep in the map we voted out again i will end myself

ok if we do vote a map out for this season then what is there to replace it

why do people dislike sunshine?

gravelpit back :]

please #bringbackgpit

also, it seems like it would make more sense to vote on a potential map before voting on what it would be switched out with.

i'd get rid of a few of these maps, but i don't want to be stuck with a bad map if that makes sense

no

idk, maybe because it's different?

right now the worst maps in the pool are metalworks and granary and I honestly think metal is worse due to how difficult it can be to push into 2 & last

metal mid is fun though :(

I don't know of any map to put in though, so there is proably no point in voting for anything right now because people will just vote to keep whatever in

OK, we voted out gpit because it wasn't fun to play engi / heavy for a week straight and because it was really just who doesn't fuck up

on gpit, if you fuck up one push - that's at least 1 minute added to your time -> AT LEAST 1 MINUTE. Which usually means if you fail one push, you failed the round

not fun
I imagine many people that think gpit would be fun are people that haven't played it

logjam maybe as the replacement map?

Idk personally I've played it and enjoyed gpit but I guess it's all personal opinion

I for one love the accountability factor. Mess up= big consequences. I understand if some people don't like that, but being punished for errors isn't a bad thing imo.

I love the change of pace it brings. And a lot of people that HAVE played the map (including myself) enjoy it a lot.

short off-season means I can actually vote for maps for once holy shit

too bad any maps you could put in would be significantly worse than any maps taken out

-granary +warmfront

Thx

Quick question, was warmerfront much of a improvement?

bad map

granary pro will be play tested tomorrow

no gpit please

never been a fan of attack/defend, though edifice wasn't bad

I've never played logjam, EU is it better than metal or gran ???

afaik eu dislikes the new logjam

If there's a good KOTH map out there, replace Metalworks / Sunshine for 6 CP / 2 KOTH.
If there's a good 5CP map out there, replace Viaduct for 8 CP.

How can we vote on taking out a map in the rotation without knowing the map or maps being considered to replace it?

We asked and said the same thing last season which is why we voted to keep granary. You need to tell us what map you are going to put in the rotation BEFORE we vote.

logjam is horrible, metalworks is worse, please dont make us play another season of that atrocious map. I really need you guys to realize that if you vote out granary you're literally just going to be voting in granary_pro, if you don't vote it out granary_pro will replace it anyways.

Metalworks is a good map wtf

Last is a pain to push but that's true for like every map

Granary is the worst map in the pool by a long shot

just gonna put up my opinions on the subject, even though I play on ETF2L, hope it doesn't bother my opinions too much

I'll start off by saying ESEA's map pool is near perfection with really upcoming maps in the pool getting updated (sunshine to rc6, metalworks to rc6) with granary being the kind of less liked one with the recent departure of it on ETF2L

for the past 2 seasons we have played logjam and quite frankly it wasn't ready then, and it's not ready now, there is so much work that I just don't think that map is qualified to replace any of the current maps (maybe granary, but even that is a strong question)

ETF2L took out granary the last season and added in sunshine, which was a great decision, some people missed granary without realizing it's one of the only maps that really require work, I mean, check the granary_pro thread, so many suggestions on how to improve it, it's mind blowing, i would say granary_pro needs some more work and testing before really proving to work, i think that the only ones who can really fix the map are Valve but...they probably won't lift a finger to do it.

my question is, what happened to koth_coalplant? i checked the thread the last feedback on it was a year ago with minor stuff to fix, I remember watching games on it and it rather enjoyable, but never knew what was so bad about it

maybe I am a bit biased but I really believe that a map that wasn't given a spotlight yet, with not much testing, is koth_sandstone, I think it deserves a shot atleast some playtesting on it would reveal good or bad.

I don't see any 5cp map currently being able to replace granary other than granary_pro which I'm unsure its ready yet.

edit: totally slipped my mind, seeing that a bunch of people want gpit back, wanted to add that cp_edifice is also being worked on and will be updating to rc1 soon, so maybe a try for a new A/D 3cp map?

TL;DR
sunshine and metalworks are getting updated to rc6 both, some nice improvements, keep that in mind.
logjam isn't ready
granary requires work that maybe granary_pro can fix
what happened to coalplant?
koth_sandstone deserves a shot
cp_edifice (the 3cp A/D map, similar to gpit, made by Phi, the creator of sunshine) is being worked on for rc1

takeout granary and maybe put back coalplant or gpit idk.

all the granary hate and I'm just sitting here ;_ ;

Yeah as others have said keep in mind Sunshine will be updated to RC6 before next season! Lots of improvements.

Keep it goin' everyone. Next season should be rly cool.

remove badlands
:>

take out granary or badlands. why dont people like metalworks?

-granary/badlands
+gravelpit/coalplant/edifice

also hope we use updated sunshine next season though I assume we are (no texture glitch on mid better framerate)