i think a good nerf for the loose cannon would be making the projectiles not go 50% faster than pipes
ban the looser cannon
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i think a good nerf for the loose cannon would be making the projectiles not go 50% faster than pipes
i feel like that would make them completely useless since they only last for 1 second max
i feel like that would make them completely useless since they only last for 1 second max
oh yeah adjust fuse time / charging time appropriately (so they go the same distance with 0 charge before exploding and take the same time to go from 100% to 0%)
oh yeah adjust fuse time / charging time appropriately (so they go the same distance with 0 charge before exploding and take the same time to go from 100% to 0%)
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imo make it do max 110 damage so medics don't crater 90% of the time they're hit by it, give it a visual cue of how long until detonation, and make it do less knockback against ubered players
theorycrafting nerfs really shouldn't be top priority imo though, we need focus on getting the weapon banned for next season (especially if it already should have been banned but b4nny fucked us)
imo make it do max 110 damage so medics don't crater 90% of the time they're hit by it, give it a visual cue of how long until detonation, and make it do less knockback against ubered players
theorycrafting nerfs really shouldn't be top priority imo though, we need focus on getting the weapon banned for next season (especially if it already should have been banned but b4nny fucked us)
theorycrafting nerfs really shouldn't be top priority imo though, we need focus on getting the weapon banned for next season (especially if it already should have been banned but b4nny fucked us)
I think that until the double donk success rate per loose cannon shot gets absurdly high (don't ask me what percentage we should be looking for), it should be allowed. But I also stand by my suggested change of changing the double donk to 130 damage and initial impact to 65 since it wont put it in the category associated with the sun on a stick. There's only one other class that can really move other classes around as easily as the loose cannon cannonballs, and we already know how a certain froyotech member feels about that. Also, it's somewhat possible but not exactly the safest to slow down an uber with a well placed ground sticky trap
TL:DR - apply the changes I suggested but keep it allowed because it allows demo to be a defensive class that has the ability to delay ubers. Stickies already have this ability, but it's not as consistent as shooting cannonballs into a bunch of shiny people.
Edit: probably going to get -frags for this, but long live double donks.
I think that until the double donk success rate per loose cannon shot gets absurdly high (don't ask me what percentage we should be looking for), it should be allowed. But I also stand by my suggested change of changing the double donk to 130 damage and initial impact to 65 since it wont put it in the category associated with the sun on a stick. There's only one other class that can really move other classes around as easily as the loose cannon cannonballs, and we already know how a certain froyotech member feels about that. Also, it's somewhat possible but not exactly the safest to slow down an uber with a well placed ground sticky trap
TL:DR - apply the changes I suggested but keep it allowed because it allows demo to be a [u]defensive[/u] class that has the ability to delay ubers. Stickies already have this ability, but it's not as consistent as shooting cannonballs into a bunch of shiny people.
Edit: probably going to get -frags for this, but long live double donks.
TL:DR - apply the changes I suggested but keep it allowed because it allows demo to be a [u]defensive[/u] class that has the ability to delay ubers. Stickies already have this ability, but it's not as consistent as shooting cannonballs into a bunch of shiny people.
Edit: probably going to get -frags for this, but long live double donks.
We cannot change the game. Stop suggesting ways to change the weapon. This is not SPUF, we're better than that.
I do like that it's inaugural season 2-3 demos deemed it worthy of use (implying the rest thought it was bad) and now we're calling for it's ban. Shows how the paradigm changes and how people didn't think of how useful it could be. It also shows that it is possible that we are stuck thinking it's legitimately good when it's still a situational weapon.
We cannot change the game. Stop suggesting ways to change the weapon. This is not SPUF, we're better than that.
I do like that it's inaugural season 2-3 demos deemed it worthy of use (implying the rest thought it was bad) and now we're calling for it's ban. Shows how the paradigm changes and how people didn't think of how useful it could be. It also shows that it is possible that we are stuck thinking it's legitimately good when it's still a situational weapon.
I do like that it's inaugural season 2-3 demos deemed it worthy of use (implying the rest thought it was bad) and now we're calling for it's ban. Shows how the paradigm changes and how people didn't think of how useful it could be. It also shows that it is possible that we are stuck thinking it's legitimately good when it's still a situational weapon.
loose cannon is fun... when im not playing against it
loose cannon is fun... when im not playing against it
DrPloxoWe cannot change the game. Stop suggesting ways to change the weapon. This is not SPUF, we're better than that.
I do like that it's inaugural season 2-3 demos deemed it worthy of use (implying the rest thought it was bad) and now we're calling for it's ban. Shows how the paradigm changes and how people didn't think of how useful it could be. It also shows that it is possible that we are stuck thinking it's legitimately good when it's still a situational weapon.
Wasn't it like insanely bad when it was first released? iirc double donk wasn't a thing originally and it did less damage/knockback
[quote=DrPloxo]We cannot change the game. Stop suggesting ways to change the weapon. This is not SPUF, we're better than that.
I do like that it's inaugural season 2-3 demos deemed it worthy of use (implying the rest thought it was bad) and now we're calling for it's ban. Shows how the paradigm changes and how people didn't think of how useful it could be. It also shows that it is possible that we are stuck thinking it's legitimately good when it's still a situational weapon.[/quote]
Wasn't it like insanely bad when it was first released? iirc double donk wasn't a thing originally and it did less damage/knockback
I do like that it's inaugural season 2-3 demos deemed it worthy of use (implying the rest thought it was bad) and now we're calling for it's ban. Shows how the paradigm changes and how people didn't think of how useful it could be. It also shows that it is possible that we are stuck thinking it's legitimately good when it's still a situational weapon.[/quote]
Wasn't it like insanely bad when it was first released? iirc double donk wasn't a thing originally and it did less damage/knockback
kaidusBut really, the current spread on demo primaries is probably exactly where valve wants it. If MM data stays consistent with current 6v6 there is no way valve make a major balance change to loose cannon based on how much use it sees.
Surely they've learnt their lesson re balancing around equip rates by now
[quote=kaidus]But really, the current spread on demo primaries is probably exactly where valve wants it. If MM data stays consistent with current 6v6 there is no way valve make a major balance change to loose cannon based on how much use it sees.[/quote]
Surely they've learnt their lesson re balancing around equip rates by now
Surely they've learnt their lesson re balancing around equip rates by now
nopekaidusBut really, the current spread on demo primaries is probably exactly where valve wants it. If MM data stays consistent with current 6v6 there is no way valve make a major balance change to loose cannon based on how much use it sees.Surely they've learnt their lesson re balancing around equip rates by now
It's Valve, they just do what they feel like no matter how obviously wrong it has been proven to be. Just look at the latest cs update.
[quote=nope][quote=kaidus]But really, the current spread on demo primaries is probably exactly where valve wants it. If MM data stays consistent with current 6v6 there is no way valve make a major balance change to loose cannon based on how much use it sees.[/quote]
Surely they've learnt their lesson re balancing around equip rates by now[/quote]
It's Valve, they just do what they feel like no matter how obviously wrong it has been proven to be. Just look at the latest cs update.
Surely they've learnt their lesson re balancing around equip rates by now[/quote]
It's Valve, they just do what they feel like no matter how obviously wrong it has been proven to be. Just look at the latest cs update.
popcorphttps://youtu.be/unDk8SVafmk?t=35s
http://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/3792/1.0
i have no idea how i haven't seen this video yet but its probably one of the best i've ever seen
[quote=popcorp]https://youtu.be/unDk8SVafmk?t=35s
[img]http://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/3792/1.0[/img][/quote]
i have no idea how i haven't seen this video yet but its probably one of the best i've ever seen
[img]http://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/3792/1.0[/img][/quote]
i have no idea how i haven't seen this video yet but its probably one of the best i've ever seen
"Fuck loose cannon it's a shit weapon and you have no skill" (c)
"Fuck loose cannon it's a shit weapon and you have no skill" (c)
deetrDrPloxoWe cannot change the game. Stop suggesting ways to change the weapon. This is not SPUF, we're better than that.
I do like that it's inaugural season 2-3 demos deemed it worthy of use (implying the rest thought it was bad) and now we're calling for it's ban. Shows how the paradigm changes and how people didn't think of how useful it could be. It also shows that it is possible that we are stuck thinking it's legitimately good when it's still a situational weapon.
Wasn't it like insanely bad when it was first released? iirc double donk wasn't a thing originally and it did less damage/knockback
It had more inconsistent damage and had double fuse time which means that donking people took more charging
it also did 153 max and I think way more self damage
[quote=deetr][quote=DrPloxo]We cannot change the game. Stop suggesting ways to change the weapon. This is not SPUF, we're better than that.
I do like that it's inaugural season 2-3 demos deemed it worthy of use (implying the rest thought it was bad) and now we're calling for it's ban. Shows how the paradigm changes and how people didn't think of how useful it could be. It also shows that it is possible that we are stuck thinking it's legitimately good when it's still a situational weapon.[/quote]
Wasn't it like insanely bad when it was first released? iirc double donk wasn't a thing originally and it did less damage/knockback[/quote]
It had more inconsistent damage and had double fuse time which means that donking people took more charging
it also did 153 max and I think way more self damage
I do like that it's inaugural season 2-3 demos deemed it worthy of use (implying the rest thought it was bad) and now we're calling for it's ban. Shows how the paradigm changes and how people didn't think of how useful it could be. It also shows that it is possible that we are stuck thinking it's legitimately good when it's still a situational weapon.[/quote]
Wasn't it like insanely bad when it was first released? iirc double donk wasn't a thing originally and it did less damage/knockback[/quote]
It had more inconsistent damage and had double fuse time which means that donking people took more charging
it also did 153 max and I think way more self damage
4812622deetrDrPloxoWe cannot change the game. Stop suggesting ways to change the weapon. This is not SPUF, we're better than that.
I do like that it's inaugural season 2-3 demos deemed it worthy of use (implying the rest thought it was bad) and now we're calling for it's ban. Shows how the paradigm changes and how people didn't think of how useful it could be. It also shows that it is possible that we are stuck thinking it's legitimately good when it's still a situational weapon.
Wasn't it like insanely bad when it was first released? iirc double donk wasn't a thing originally and it did less damage/knockback
It had more inconsistent damage and had double fuse time which means that donking people took more charging
it also did 153 max and I think way more self damage
it double donked at Big door from choke. So it made more sense
[quote=4812622][quote=deetr][quote=DrPloxo]We cannot change the game. Stop suggesting ways to change the weapon. This is not SPUF, we're better than that.
I do like that it's inaugural season 2-3 demos deemed it worthy of use (implying the rest thought it was bad) and now we're calling for it's ban. Shows how the paradigm changes and how people didn't think of how useful it could be. It also shows that it is possible that we are stuck thinking it's legitimately good when it's still a situational weapon.[/quote]
Wasn't it like insanely bad when it was first released? iirc double donk wasn't a thing originally and it did less damage/knockback[/quote]
It had more inconsistent damage and had double fuse time which means that donking people took more charging
it also did 153 max and I think way more self damage[/quote]
it double donked at Big door from choke. So it made more sense
I do like that it's inaugural season 2-3 demos deemed it worthy of use (implying the rest thought it was bad) and now we're calling for it's ban. Shows how the paradigm changes and how people didn't think of how useful it could be. It also shows that it is possible that we are stuck thinking it's legitimately good when it's still a situational weapon.[/quote]
Wasn't it like insanely bad when it was first released? iirc double donk wasn't a thing originally and it did less damage/knockback[/quote]
It had more inconsistent damage and had double fuse time which means that donking people took more charging
it also did 153 max and I think way more self damage[/quote]
it double donked at Big door from choke. So it made more sense
i don't understand why people are whining about the loose cannon when theres TWO of these running around
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/6/69/Scout.png/250px-Scout.png?t=20140412094156
i don't understand why people are whining about the loose cannon when theres TWO of these running around
[img]https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/6/69/Scout.png/250px-Scout.png?t=20140412094156[/img]
[img]https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/6/69/Scout.png/250px-Scout.png?t=20140412094156[/img]
Antaresi don't understand why people are whining about the loose cannon when theres TWO of these running around
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/6/69/Scout.png/250px-Scout.png?t=20140412094156
And should you have the loose cannon equipped, good luck in a 1v1 vs a scout. You're probably going to see the respawn timer in the near future. Given that you're only using it and not stickies to try and defend yourself
[quote=Antares]i don't understand why people are whining about the loose cannon when theres TWO of these running around
[img]https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/6/69/Scout.png/250px-Scout.png?t=20140412094156[/img][/quote]
And should you have the loose cannon equipped, good luck in a 1v1 vs a scout. You're probably going to see the respawn timer in the near future. Given that you're only using it and not stickies to try and defend yourself
[img]https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/6/69/Scout.png/250px-Scout.png?t=20140412094156[/img][/quote]
And should you have the loose cannon equipped, good luck in a 1v1 vs a scout. You're probably going to see the respawn timer in the near future. Given that you're only using it and not stickies to try and defend yourself
Antaresi don't understand why people are whining about the loose cannon when theres TWO of these running around
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/6/69/Scout.png/250px-Scout.png?t=20140412094156
maybe we should ban both
[quote=Antares]i don't understand why people are whining about the loose cannon when theres TWO of these running around
[img]https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/6/69/Scout.png/250px-Scout.png?t=20140412094156[/img][/quote]
maybe we should ban both
[img]https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/6/69/Scout.png/250px-Scout.png?t=20140412094156[/img][/quote]
maybe we should ban both
DeathyIt should be banned because:
- Can completely deny an uber by just clicking at a choke from the right distance
- Can one shot a medic around a corner (141 damage + fall damage)
- Sends people flying away
- Double donks are too random for a competitive game (debatable)
Some minor changes:
It should be banned because:
- Can completely deny an uber by just clicking at a choke from the right distance
- Can one shot a medic around a corner (mini-crit damage + fall damage)
- Sends people flying away
- airblast is too random for a competitive game (debatable)
Ban Pyro.
Any kind of undodgeable/AoE stun is retarded.
[quote=Deathy]
It should be banned because:
- Can completely deny an uber by just clicking at a choke from the right distance
- Can one shot a medic around a corner (141 damage + fall damage)
- Sends people flying away
- Double donks are too random for a competitive game [i](debatable)[/i][/quote]
Some minor changes:
[quote]
It should be banned because:
- Can completely deny an uber by just clicking at a choke from the right distance
- Can one shot a medic around a corner (mini-crit damage + fall damage)
- Sends people flying away
- airblast is too random for a competitive game [i](debatable)[/i][/quote]
Ban Pyro.
Any kind of undodgeable/AoE stun is retarded.
It should be banned because:
- Can completely deny an uber by just clicking at a choke from the right distance
- Can one shot a medic around a corner (141 damage + fall damage)
- Sends people flying away
- Double donks are too random for a competitive game [i](debatable)[/i][/quote]
Some minor changes:
[quote]
It should be banned because:
- Can completely deny an uber by just clicking at a choke from the right distance
- Can one shot a medic around a corner (mini-crit damage + fall damage)
- Sends people flying away
- airblast is too random for a competitive game [i](debatable)[/i][/quote]
Ban Pyro.
Any kind of undodgeable/AoE stun is retarded.
Look like someone got cancelled a push on last...
Quik✓ Takes no skill
✓ Bad looking viewmodel
✓ Frags are not impressive on fragvideos
✓ No proper airshots
✓ Anoys the shit out of everyone
✓ Whoever uses it is gay
This is one of the dumbest post I've seen in a while.
Look like someone got cancelled a push on last...
[quote=Quik]✓ Takes no skill
✓ Bad looking viewmodel
✓ Frags are not impressive on fragvideos
✓ No proper airshots
✓ Anoys the shit out of everyone
✓ Whoever uses it is gay[/quote]
This is one of the dumbest post I've seen in a while.
[quote=Quik]✓ Takes no skill
✓ Bad looking viewmodel
✓ Frags are not impressive on fragvideos
✓ No proper airshots
✓ Anoys the shit out of everyone
✓ Whoever uses it is gay[/quote]
This is one of the dumbest post I've seen in a while.
SetsulIt should be banned because:
- Can completely deny an uber by just clicking at a choke from the right distance
- Can one shot a medic around a corner (mini-crit damage + fall damage)
- Sends people flying away
- airblast is too random for a competitive game (debatable)
Ban Pyro.
Any kind of undodgeable/AoE stun is retarded.
you have to get close to airblast people and you have to be fed projectiles to do shit at range
you also have to play pyro
[quote=Setsul]
It should be banned because:
- Can completely deny an uber by just clicking at a choke from the right distance
- Can one shot a medic around a corner (mini-crit damage + fall damage)
- Sends people flying away
- airblast is too random for a competitive game [i](debatable)[/i]
Ban Pyro.
Any kind of undodgeable/AoE stun is retarded.[/quote]
you have to get close to airblast people and you have to be fed projectiles to do shit at range
you also have to play pyro
It should be banned because:
- Can completely deny an uber by just clicking at a choke from the right distance
- Can one shot a medic around a corner (mini-crit damage + fall damage)
- Sends people flying away
- airblast is too random for a competitive game [i](debatable)[/i]
Ban Pyro.
Any kind of undodgeable/AoE stun is retarded.[/quote]
you have to get close to airblast people and you have to be fed projectiles to do shit at range
you also have to play pyro
clckwrkI almost caught him slipping during the LF last season. He snaked his way into the spacious cp_granary flank, pushing into their second point. xalox, with expert aim and precision, shot a loose cannon toward the lower area and I heard, "I fucking HATE T-," followed by silence. He probably knew I was waiting to pounce with an "I told you so" sort of response, so he held his tongue.
I read this as if it were fanfic. 10/10
[quote=clckwrk]I almost caught him slipping during the LF last season. He snaked his way into the spacious cp_granary flank, pushing into their second point. xalox, with expert aim and precision, shot a loose cannon toward the lower area and I heard, "I fucking HATE T-," followed by silence. He probably knew I was waiting to pounce with an "I told you so" sort of response, so he held his tongue.[/quote]
I read this as if it were fanfic. 10/10
I read this as if it were fanfic. 10/10
Quik✓ Bad looking viewmodel
✓ Frags are not impressive on fragvideos
✓ No proper airshots
✓ Anoys the shit out of everyone
✓ Whoever uses it is gay
You do realize that NONE of these are legit reasons for it to be banned right?
[quote=Quik]✓ Bad looking viewmodel
✓ Frags are not impressive on fragvideos
✓ No proper airshots
✓ Anoys the shit out of everyone
✓ Whoever uses it is gay[/quote]
You do realize that [b][u]NONE[/u][/b] of these are legit reasons for it to be banned right?
✓ Frags are not impressive on fragvideos
✓ No proper airshots
✓ Anoys the shit out of everyone
✓ Whoever uses it is gay[/quote]
You do realize that [b][u]NONE[/u][/b] of these are legit reasons for it to be banned right?
i love how it can bounce of walls. gotta appreciate when some demo hits you for 60 and suddenly the projectile behind you decides it's time for round 2 and a funny noise.
i love how it can bounce of walls. gotta appreciate when some demo hits you for 60 and suddenly the projectile behind you decides it's time for round 2 and a funny noise.
TuryQuik✓ Bad looking viewmodel
✓ Frags are not impressive on fragvideos
✓ No proper airshots
✓ Anoys the shit out of everyone
✓ Whoever uses it is gay
You do realize that NONE of these are legit reasons for it to be banned right?
Quik✓ No proper airshots
but i guess as an american you wouldn't really know the feeling 4Head
[quote=Tury][quote=Quik]✓ Bad looking viewmodel
✓ Frags are not impressive on fragvideos
✓ No proper airshots
✓ Anoys the shit out of everyone
✓ Whoever uses it is gay[/quote]
You do realize that [b][u]NONE[/u][/b] of these are legit reasons for it to be banned right?[/quote]
[quote=Quik]✓ No proper airshots[/quote]
but i guess as an american you wouldn't really know the feeling 4Head
✓ Frags are not impressive on fragvideos
✓ No proper airshots
✓ Anoys the shit out of everyone
✓ Whoever uses it is gay[/quote]
You do realize that [b][u]NONE[/u][/b] of these are legit reasons for it to be banned right?[/quote]
[quote=Quik]✓ No proper airshots[/quote]
but i guess as an american you wouldn't really know the feeling 4Head
namassinI would much rather ban the direct hit since you can one shot scouts with it at close range- but it makes for sick skybox airshots in beater's frag vids so idk
the difference here being the dhit is trash against scouts with good movement and is too inconsistent to reliably deal damage except for spamming long range across the map
[quote=namassin]I would much rather ban the direct hit since you can one shot scouts with it at close range- but it makes for sick skybox airshots in beater's frag vids so idk[/quote]
the difference here being the dhit is trash against scouts with good movement and is too inconsistent to reliably deal damage except for spamming long range across the map
the difference here being the dhit is trash against scouts with good movement and is too inconsistent to reliably deal damage except for spamming long range across the map
Quik✓ Takes no skill
✓ Bad looking viewmodel
✓ Frags are not impressive on fragvideos
✓ No proper airshots
✓ Anoys the shit out of everyone
✓ Whoever uses it is gay
there is ddonk airshots
hearable from a mile away
it looks bad only on your dx6 config
irrelevant thread cuz matchmaking is going to allow everything anyway
[quote=Quik]✓ Takes no skill
✓ Bad looking viewmodel
✓ Frags are not impressive on fragvideos
✓ No proper airshots
✓ Anoys the shit out of everyone
✓ Whoever uses it is gay[/quote]
there is ddonk airshots
hearable from a mile away
it looks bad only on your dx6 config
irrelevant thread cuz matchmaking is going to allow everything anyway
✓ Bad looking viewmodel
✓ Frags are not impressive on fragvideos
✓ No proper airshots
✓ Anoys the shit out of everyone
✓ Whoever uses it is gay[/quote]
there is ddonk airshots
hearable from a mile away
it looks bad only on your dx6 config
irrelevant thread cuz matchmaking is going to allow everything anyway
TwiggyQuik✓ Takes no skillmad cuz shrekt by it
✓ Bad looking viewmodel
✓ Frags are not impressive on fragvideos
✓ No proper airshots
✓ Anoys the shit out of everyone
✓ Whoever uses it is gay
there is ddonk airshots
hearable from a mile away
it looks bad on your dx6 config
irrelevant thread cuz matchmaking is going to allow everything anyway
your post is somehow even worse than the op
[quote=Twiggy][quote=Quik]✓ Takes no skill
✓ Bad looking viewmodel
✓ Frags are not impressive on fragvideos
✓ No proper airshots
✓ Anoys the shit out of everyone
✓ Whoever uses it is gay[/quote]
mad cuz shrekt by it
there is ddonk airshots
hearable from a mile away
it looks bad on your dx6 config
irrelevant thread cuz matchmaking is going to allow everything anyway[/quote]
your post is somehow even worse than the op
✓ Bad looking viewmodel
✓ Frags are not impressive on fragvideos
✓ No proper airshots
✓ Anoys the shit out of everyone
✓ Whoever uses it is gay[/quote]
mad cuz shrekt by it
there is ddonk airshots
hearable from a mile away
it looks bad on your dx6 config
irrelevant thread cuz matchmaking is going to allow everything anyway[/quote]
your post is somehow even worse than the op
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