rip

fuck i would have loved to see dazed play on another top team

will be interesting to see if C9 keep swag around after this lol

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RIP swag

yeah that's some bullshit really there weren't even set rules for shit like this that's so fucking dumb

I think epsilon got off easy right? Wasn't theirs a confirmed 1 year ban

edit: Epsilon are also perma banned

rip NA cs

if it keeps steel from comp cs though then I'm less bummed out

Matchfixing and shit like this is banned in pretty much every competitive sport, it doesn't have to be written in stone for people to know it's not allowed.

wouldn't be reviewed until 2016 was the wording iirc. from the wording of this, they're gonna be perm banned too.

It does have to have a written consequence yeah. You don't just randomly toss perma bans on people for the first time it's ever happened in a "new" game. Saying oh yeah you're permanently banned for throwing a worthless CEVO game that didn't have any placement on seedings when they just got back from a LAN. Yeah that's definitely bullshit

You don't just come out and join the community 2 times out of a year to say "yeah we permanently banned some people and not EVER talk about it or anything. That's definitely fucked up

I believe these two tweets from MSL are well said
https://twitter.com/MSLcsgo/status/684505810421035008
https://twitter.com/MSLcsgo/status/684506044253499392

The only reason Valve cared was because skins were involved. They didn't get into the actual investigation until Richard Lewis sent valve the texts saying that they threw for skins. That's incredibly stupid. Where in betting does it say that you are guaranteed to win or not lose anything? That's fucking dumb
And besides that I believe that the entire iBP team gave back more skins than they got to many many many people

All I'm saying is that matchfixing is banned in every sport, and that expecting no consequences would be idiotic of the teams/players involved. How Valve treated and used it is something else.

:(

Honestly an awful decision and definitely a shitty, shitty day for those involved. The fact that some of them can't pursue this game to the potential they could have is life-changing, and it's because of one bad decision that a few of them were likely only involved in and hardly driving forces behind. I think a lot of people who have either competed or can form their own opinions via critical thinking believe there should be some way for them to right wrongs. But Valve probably shot themselves in the foot early into this situation, when they banned them "indefinitely" (permanently). You really can't come back from something like that in the eyes of the community when the company driving the competitive aspect of the game can't forgive you; valve's opinion on the matter was likely projected onto those who decided not to think for themselves. For Valve to go back and unban them would infuriate a lot of people. Just sad to see.

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I knew they were going to get perma banned but I had this hope. I can't get over how fucking ludicrous this is man. Fucking journalists and fucking reddit betting fuckers

sad day sorry for those guys

I wonder what leagues will let them compete in. Hopefully all of them allow them to play

https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/3zmjqu/csgo_blog_a_follow_up_to_integrity_and_fair_play/cynbkb8

You sound like one of those retards that posts on /r/tf2 "FUCKING B4NNY SOLDIER MAIN BITCHES TO VALVE SO THEY NERF PYRO"

If you honestly think this is at all surprising or undeserved you're seeing this from the entirely wrong perspective. These players were expressing (voluntarily or not) that the integrity of the game at that high of a level is very low. Their actions were a display to the public that taking the game seriously wasn't worth the few thousand dollars they got in skins.

That's actually so wrong it's insane. I expected it just like almost everyone but there is always that hope. There's so many things that Valve did wrong in this situation. A permaban is absolutely ridiculous for these players. I recall something like Valve not even wanting betting in their game and it was frowned upon

I'm not saying they shouldn't have had a consequence because what they did was definitely wrong, but a permaban for the first time it's ever showed up in their game instead of maybe a year ban or 2 years even 3 years etc and actually laying down some rules saying any previous cases of this will result in permabans.

from what i saw reddit were almost all in favour of removing the bans

It's not hard to understand. CS:GO is an eSport owned by Valve. Players fixed a match for a profit. This is against the rules of every competitive sport, and is also illegal. Most people in sports found to be matchfixing face bans of anywhere from permanent to several years (and I doubt ex-iBP will still be playing in 10ish years or w/e). Not banning them would put the integrity and legitimacy of eSports into question. The permaban was entirely deserved in my opinion.

Valve taking the stance they have in their costumer support, the less direct human involvement they have the best, just set the bans for life and laugh your way to the bank.

Im sure if they could set up a bot to automatically ban for matchfixing they would do it too.

'Most people in sports found to be matchfixing face bans of anywhere from permanent to several years'

And prison sentences, huge fines..

Steal money from your fans. Lie, lie, lie, lie. Tear down credibility of those investigating. Get caught. Get banned forever.

I support this and am glad Valve didn't back down.

Exactly this. The obvious solution, if you don't want to get banned, you shouldn't matchfix. I've no idea why anyone would want these scumbags unbanned. It's pretty equal to cheating.

Why is everyone only talking about iBP sure they were the greater of the two but Epsilon did the same thing and nobody cares that those guys are permabanned too!?!?!

good point and epsilon did it on a much smaller scale and iirc owned up to it rather than lying for ages like ibp, not sure if im right on that last point tho (either way all the match fixers deserve the bans imo)

The only thing Valve did wrong was to word it as an indefinite ban when it was a permanent ban. Giving the players the rightful punishment for their actions was a perfectly fine response, but leaving them in the uncertainty that they might some day get unbanned is very cruel if you don't actually plan to unban them any time in the near future. Especially since these people base their lives around this game, that they may or may not be able to play again at a professional level.

Valve is being consistent with punishments that have been giving out for other match fixing scandals. I agree with Valve

'why are people caring when 5 of the best na players to ever play the game are banned when some clowns that were t2 in euroland got banned too?'

also c9 tarik

I remember seeing steel at i55 and talked to him for a little bit out in the parking lot. I asked him about the bans and if he thought they were going to stick. He seemed pretty optimistic that he'd be able to play again one day. Although I don't know him personally, he was a pretty cool guy to me.

It's a shame it has to be permanent. A lot of good talent down the drain for one dumb mistake. They definitely deserve to be punished, but not in this way.

Because iBP has much more public support from all their fans they've built up, such as yourself. You're a living example of why people focus on iBP; you immediately started complaining about iBP's situation rather than the Epsilon players or whoever else has been involved.

That's true to an extent but I am fighting for epsilon as much as I am iBP. I'd clearly like to see iBP just because I cared about them more because they're from my home scene but epsilon deserves an unban just like I believe iBP does for a multitude of reasons.

Richard Lewis gave his statement which I believe has a lot of good stuff about it. Lot's of good points views etc if anyone cares to read it
https://www.facebook.com/RichardLewisReports/posts/530171213774588

tldr; Integrity is everything but I believe everyone deserves a second chance and these guys are not bad people

So I'll give you an argument I believe is very parallel to something about the bans

So what about those players caught on anti-cheats that isn't valve's? So for example mOE was caught cheating but not on VAC. I believe s1mple and Delpan were also BUT again not on VAC. They were caught on other anti-cheats that isn't valves. So why would valve not ban these people for similar bans like emilio and kqly for being vac banned.
The whole point of this is it wasn't valve's doing or wasn't on valve's watch or whatever I'm trying to say here

But match fixing on csgolounge in a CEVO league let's take a look at that. So csgolounge is not a valve run or valve owned site much like the anti-cheat of ESL (which I believe all of these players were banned on). And yet they care about that but not cheating on other anti-cheats. Hm so much for integrity. Also in support of that was that these were CEVO games (they were in iBP not sure about epsilon) they weren't in the Valve Major so why would they care about those when they clearly don't care if people cheat on other non-related anticheats? I'm curious because in my mind these two topics seem very parallel because they are both disassociated from Valve but they care about one and not the other. Please tell me if I am hugely mistaken here I actually would like to know. I'm ranting I really want these guys unbanned