So not sure how many of you keep tabs on dota 2, but one of the majors is going on right now. And man does it have some drama, most of you will know of James "2GD" Harding, he was a host at this major and frankly doing an amazing job. But after the 2nd day valve fired him. Really sucks as he was really carrying the English stream even after all of the shit production. Have any thoughts?
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So not sure how many of you keep tabs on dota 2, but one of the majors is going on right now. And man does it have some drama, most of you will know of James "2GD" Harding, he was a host at this major and frankly doing an amazing job. But after the 2nd day valve fired him. Really sucks as he was really carrying the English stream even after all of the shit production. Have any thoughts?
honestly quite annoying cuz hes the only thing driving the stream forward b/c of awful production for a multi-million dollar tourney but who cares cuz if not watching ingame ur doing it wrong
honestly quite annoying cuz hes the only thing driving the stream forward b/c of awful production for a multi-million dollar tourney but who cares cuz if not watching ingame ur doing it wrong
I feel like even though he said valve fired him it was probably perfect world who pushed valve into making the decision. Chinese probably couldn't stand the fact that 2gd was making them look bad. Hope valve never lets perfect world host a major ever again, next year they should do it in Hong Kong so a decent company can organize it.
I feel like even though he said valve fired him it was probably perfect world who pushed valve into making the decision. Chinese probably couldn't stand the fact that 2gd was making them look bad. Hope valve never lets perfect world host a major ever again, next year they should do it in Hong Kong so a decent company can organize it.
he was supposed to take a break during post-match and instead kept on talking with the other casters
he was supposed to take a break during post-match and instead kept on talking with the other casters
From someone else at reddit: Well the game got delayed forever because of the pause, and the production team said James could go to break and he ignored them and continued talking with the panel rather than cut to break so apparently they freaked out. He even made a pretty entertaining joke about how they came off camera to change his battery thinking he couldn't hear them. The segment itself was pretty much standard "game is paused bullshit" fare. Maybe the production team doesn't like James taking liberties to entertain the audience.
From someone else at reddit: Well the game got delayed forever because of the pause, and the production team said James could go to break and he ignored them and continued talking with the panel rather than cut to break so apparently they freaked out. He even made a pretty entertaining joke about how they came off camera to change his battery thinking he couldn't hear them. The segment itself was pretty much standard "game is paused bullshit" fare. Maybe the production team doesn't like James taking liberties to entertain the audience.
nimby5539From someone else at reddit: Well the game got delayed forever because of the pause, and the production team said James could go to break and he ignored them and continued talking with the panel rather than cut to break so apparently they freaked out. He even made a pretty entertaining joke about how they came off camera to change his battery thinking he couldn't hear them. The segment itself was pretty much standard "game is paused bullshit" fare. Maybe the production team doesn't like James taking liberties to entertain the audience.
Some Grade A bullshit IMO.
But not unsurprising if that's the case.
[quote=nimby5539]From someone else at reddit: Well the game got delayed forever because of the pause, and the production team said James could go to break and he ignored them and continued talking with the panel rather than cut to break so apparently they freaked out. He even made a pretty entertaining joke about how they came off camera to change his battery thinking he couldn't hear them. The segment itself was pretty much standard "game is paused bullshit" fare. Maybe the production team doesn't like James taking liberties to entertain the audience.[/quote]
Some Grade A bullshit IMO.
But not unsurprising if that's the case.
Some Grade A bullshit IMO.
But not unsurprising if that's the case.
on top of 2GD being fired the pauses are fucking annoying. The Russian stream was also stuttering all throughout the first day, so far pretty shitty event
on top of 2GD being fired the pauses are fucking annoying. The Russian stream was also stuttering all throughout the first day, so far pretty shitty event
The TFTV i55 team did a waaaay better job than this with what? 1500 euro?
The TFTV i55 team did a waaaay better job than this with what? 1500 euro?
Taken from le reddit
Possibilities:
Comments on stream about the delays or other issues have been interpreted by insults by production leading to a rift and someone with brass buttons on has taken the axe to James.
Disagreements about when to cut to break between James and the production team have been interpreted as "insubordination" by production staff and a sackable offence.
A joke made by James on stream was considered inappropriate and he's been axed for it.
James got into an argument backstage with someone who is now flexing their authority. Maybe he accidentally/on purpose tripped up some dude who is a child of a Chinese billionaire?
James performed an action backstage that Valve has interpreted as equivalent to gross misconduct (strangled Loda/took a line of coke/pissed in a fountain/fucked the daughter of a Chinese billionaire/Communist party member).
A SJW takeover has occurred and given some of James' quotes in the past about girls and the opportunity to give Sheever the prime slot our new SJW overlords have axed James.
Its all a big joke and they were always going to rotate James/Sheever and they're now laughing at our pitchforking (i.e. James is in on the gag).
We're all experiencing a simultaneous mass delusion and James was never hosting and it was always Sheever, we all need to lay off the drugs or stop importing our tap water from Flint.
I think that sums up most of the possibles. Take your pick or wait until tomorrow to find out!
If I was to guess I think James has got into an argument somehow with someone with Brass Buttons. James' demeanour and attitude while mostly fine in the West could be seen as completely unacceptable to an Asian manager.
Taken from le reddit
[quote]Possibilities:
Comments on stream about the delays or other issues have been interpreted by insults by production leading to a rift and someone with brass buttons on has taken the axe to James.
Disagreements about when to cut to break between James and the production team have been interpreted as "insubordination" by production staff and a sackable offence.
A joke made by James on stream was considered inappropriate and he's been axed for it.
James got into an argument backstage with someone who is now flexing their authority. Maybe he accidentally/on purpose tripped up some dude who is a child of a Chinese billionaire?
James performed an action backstage that Valve has interpreted as equivalent to gross misconduct (strangled Loda/took a line of coke/pissed in a fountain/fucked the daughter of a Chinese billionaire/Communist party member).
A SJW takeover has occurred and given some of James' quotes in the past about girls and the opportunity to give Sheever the prime slot our new SJW overlords have axed James.
Its all a big joke and they were always going to rotate James/Sheever and they're now laughing at our pitchforking (i.e. James is in on the gag).
We're all experiencing a simultaneous mass delusion and James was never hosting and it was always Sheever, we all need to lay off the drugs or stop importing our tap water from Flint.
I think that sums up most of the possibles. Take your pick or wait until tomorrow to find out!
If I was to guess I think James has got into an argument somehow with someone with Brass Buttons. James' demeanour and attitude while mostly fine in the West could be seen as completely unacceptable to an Asian manager.[/quote]
[quote]Possibilities:
Comments on stream about the delays or other issues have been interpreted by insults by production leading to a rift and someone with brass buttons on has taken the axe to James.
Disagreements about when to cut to break between James and the production team have been interpreted as "insubordination" by production staff and a sackable offence.
A joke made by James on stream was considered inappropriate and he's been axed for it.
James got into an argument backstage with someone who is now flexing their authority. Maybe he accidentally/on purpose tripped up some dude who is a child of a Chinese billionaire?
James performed an action backstage that Valve has interpreted as equivalent to gross misconduct (strangled Loda/took a line of coke/pissed in a fountain/fucked the daughter of a Chinese billionaire/Communist party member).
A SJW takeover has occurred and given some of James' quotes in the past about girls and the opportunity to give Sheever the prime slot our new SJW overlords have axed James.
Its all a big joke and they were always going to rotate James/Sheever and they're now laughing at our pitchforking (i.e. James is in on the gag).
We're all experiencing a simultaneous mass delusion and James was never hosting and it was always Sheever, we all need to lay off the drugs or stop importing our tap water from Flint.
I think that sums up most of the possibles. Take your pick or wait until tomorrow to find out!
If I was to guess I think James has got into an argument somehow with someone with Brass Buttons. James' demeanour and attitude while mostly fine in the West could be seen as completely unacceptable to an Asian manager.[/quote]
I switched streams after main stream went down for about 2 hours and 2nd stream was delayed or something. I guess they weren't lying when they rejected the Swed caster or whatever one man studio from coming because it'd show how shit they were or actually destroy their network. I really doubt shit happens because of this though because Valve has some bullshit contract with PW.
I switched streams after main stream went down for about 2 hours and 2nd stream was delayed or something. I guess they weren't lying when they rejected the Swed caster or whatever one man studio from coming because it'd show how shit they were or actually destroy their network. I really doubt shit happens because of this though because Valve has some bullshit contract with PW.
This just in: asians out of touch with current world media. A surprise? Not really. More at 9.
This just in: asians out of touch with current world media. A surprise? Not really. More at 9.
that's so bullshit valve does nothing well except for make good games
their organization is terrible with every game
they're lazy
they are absolutely atrocious with anything community oriented
that's so bullshit valve does nothing well except for make good games
their organization is terrible with every game
they're lazy
they are absolutely atrocious with anything community oriented
their organization is terrible with every game
they're lazy
they are absolutely atrocious with anything community oriented
i love when gabe posts, its either well thought out and tact. or just a straight up roasting.
i love when gabe posts, its either well thought out and tact. or just a straight up roasting.
How much more of an ass is 2GD over Thorin and Richard Lewis? Like Richard Lewis had his whole twitter baiting loda and choking incident, but being on the chopping block for a while and being called out by Gabe? God fucking damn.
How much more of an ass is 2GD over Thorin and Richard Lewis? Like Richard Lewis had his whole twitter baiting loda and choking incident, but being on the chopping block for a while and being called out by Gabe? God fucking damn.
is it the same 2GD as the one involved in arena FPS?
is it the same 2GD as the one involved in arena FPS?
Twiggyis it the same 2GD as the one involved in arena FPS?
yes.
[quote=Twiggy]is it the same 2GD as the one involved in arena FPS?[/quote]
yes.
yes.
2GD's response incoming (he slept on it too). https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/47sc46/update_from_the_shanghai_major/d0fa52i
2GD's response incoming (he slept on it too). https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/47sc46/update_from_the_shanghai_major/d0fa52i
Why did Gaben just call a former employee an ass on the internet over some stupid dota nonsense? That's low and very ungabenlike. Did the guy personally attack Gaben?
In fact why is there no official Valve statement instead of a reddit roast post by the CEO how does this make any sense?
And why downfrag, is this not a legit question, how many billion$-companies do you know who make statements about personnel changes by ways of the CEO calling someone an ass on reddit
Why did Gaben just call a former employee an ass on the internet over some stupid dota nonsense? That's low and very ungabenlike. Did the guy personally attack Gaben?
In fact why is there no official Valve statement instead of a reddit roast post by the CEO how does this make any sense?
And why downfrag, is this not a legit question, how many billion$-companies do you know who make statements about personnel changes by ways of the CEO calling someone an ass on reddit
In fact why is there no official Valve statement instead of a reddit roast post by the CEO how does this make any sense?
And why downfrag, is this not a legit question, how many billion$-companies do you know who make statements about personnel changes by ways of the CEO calling someone an ass on reddit
nimby5539I feel like even though he said valve fired him it was probably perfect world who pushed valve into making the decision. Chinese probably couldn't stand the fact that 2gd was making them look bad. Hope valve never lets perfect world host a major ever again, next year they should do it in Hong Kong so a decent company can organize it.
The Hong Kong Esport scene is basically non-existant, even if Valve manage to host the major here the company is probably still mainland Chinese.
[quote=nimby5539]I feel like even though he said valve fired him it was probably perfect world who pushed valve into making the decision. Chinese probably couldn't stand the fact that 2gd was making them look bad. Hope valve never lets perfect world host a major ever again, next year they should do it in Hong Kong so a decent company can organize it.[/quote]
The Hong Kong Esport scene is basically non-existant, even if Valve manage to host the major here the company is probably still mainland Chinese.
The Hong Kong Esport scene is basically non-existant, even if Valve manage to host the major here the company is probably still mainland Chinese.
the301stspartanWhy did Gaben just call a former employee an ass on the internet over some stupid dota nonsense? That's low and very ungabenlike. Did the guy personally attack Gaben?
In fact why is there no official Valve statement instead of a reddit roast post by the CEO how does this make any sense?
And why downfrag, is this not a legit question, how many billion$-companies do you know who make statements about personnel changes by ways of the CEO calling someone an ass on reddit
probably getting downfragged because "stupid dota nonsense" is a ridiculous phrase, as it's the video game that has given valve most of its recent success and it places almost all its esports stock into this game. everything is speculation, and it probably could've been handled in a better way than just calling him an ass on reddit (and probably will be in the coming days), but I thought it was actually pretty funny. most "billion dollar companies" aren't valve who themselves have a very special relationship with the internet and don't run million dollar+ tournaments for a game that has its own subreddit. comparing this announcement by valve to a different company that doesn't even have a special relationship with the internet and doesn't make video games is pointless.
[quote=the301stspartan]Why did Gaben just call a former employee an ass on the internet over some stupid dota nonsense? That's low and very ungabenlike. Did the guy personally attack Gaben?
In fact why is there no official Valve statement instead of a reddit roast post by the CEO how does this make any sense?
And why downfrag, is this not a legit question, how many billion$-companies do you know who make statements about personnel changes by ways of the CEO calling someone an ass on reddit[/quote]
probably getting downfragged because "stupid dota nonsense" is a ridiculous phrase, as it's the video game that has given valve most of its recent success and it places almost all its esports stock into this game. everything is speculation, and it probably could've been handled in a better way than just calling him an ass on reddit (and probably will be in the coming days), but I thought it was actually pretty funny. most "billion dollar companies" aren't valve who themselves have a very special relationship with the internet and don't run million dollar+ tournaments for a game that has its own subreddit. comparing this announcement by valve to a different company that doesn't even have a special relationship with the internet and doesn't make video games is pointless.
In fact why is there no official Valve statement instead of a reddit roast post by the CEO how does this make any sense?
And why downfrag, is this not a legit question, how many billion$-companies do you know who make statements about personnel changes by ways of the CEO calling someone an ass on reddit[/quote]
probably getting downfragged because "stupid dota nonsense" is a ridiculous phrase, as it's the video game that has given valve most of its recent success and it places almost all its esports stock into this game. everything is speculation, and it probably could've been handled in a better way than just calling him an ass on reddit (and probably will be in the coming days), but I thought it was actually pretty funny. most "billion dollar companies" aren't valve who themselves have a very special relationship with the internet and don't run million dollar+ tournaments for a game that has its own subreddit. comparing this announcement by valve to a different company that doesn't even have a special relationship with the internet and doesn't make video games is pointless.
probably getting downfragged because "stupid dota nonsense" is a ridiculous phrase, as it's the video game that has given valve most of its recent success and it places almost all its esports stock into this game.
I'm not saying Dota is stupid nonsense, I'm saying that what seems to be nothing but the antics of a video game tournament stream moderator during a pause is stupid nonsense, and it is.
most "billion dollar companies" aren't valve who themselves have a very special relationship with the internet and don't run million dollar+ tournaments for a game that has its own subreddit. comparing this announcement by valve to a different company that doesn't even have a special relationship with the internet and don't make video games is pointless.
I haven't seen Larry Page or Mark Zuckerberg calling former employees asses on reddit so far. I also don't know of any head of a major game developer (except molyneux) act that way.
And in interviews, articles and anywhere else I've seen Gaben talk, he always talked in corporate lingo and conducted himself super professionally.
So no, I don't see how this is in any way usual for Valve or Gabe, and seems completely ridiculous if it's all about the person making some weird jokes during the break of a shittily produced dota stream.
[quote]probably getting downfragged because "stupid dota nonsense" is a ridiculous phrase, as it's the video game that has given valve most of its recent success and it places almost all its esports stock into this game.[/quote]
I'm not saying Dota is stupid nonsense, I'm saying that what seems to be nothing but the antics of a video game tournament stream moderator during a pause is stupid nonsense, and it is.
[quote]most "billion dollar companies" aren't valve who themselves have a very special relationship with the internet and don't run million dollar+ tournaments for a game that has its own subreddit. comparing this announcement by valve to a different company that doesn't even have a special relationship with the internet and don't make video games is pointless.[/quote]
I haven't seen Larry Page or Mark Zuckerberg calling former employees asses on reddit so far. I also don't know of any head of a major game developer (except molyneux) act that way.
And in interviews, articles and anywhere else I've seen Gaben talk, he always talked in corporate lingo and conducted himself super professionally.
So no, I don't see how this is in any way usual for Valve or Gabe, and seems completely ridiculous if it's all about the person making some weird jokes during the break of a shittily produced dota stream.
I'm not saying Dota is stupid nonsense, I'm saying that what seems to be nothing but the antics of a video game tournament stream moderator during a pause is stupid nonsense, and it is.
[quote]most "billion dollar companies" aren't valve who themselves have a very special relationship with the internet and don't run million dollar+ tournaments for a game that has its own subreddit. comparing this announcement by valve to a different company that doesn't even have a special relationship with the internet and don't make video games is pointless.[/quote]
I haven't seen Larry Page or Mark Zuckerberg calling former employees asses on reddit so far. I also don't know of any head of a major game developer (except molyneux) act that way.
And in interviews, articles and anywhere else I've seen Gaben talk, he always talked in corporate lingo and conducted himself super professionally.
So no, I don't see how this is in any way usual for Valve or Gabe, and seems completely ridiculous if it's all about the person making some weird jokes during the break of a shittily produced dota stream.
Holt shit not going to lie but this is better then if the event went smoothly
PS: James never actually worked for valve as an employee, he is just hired talent for events
Holt shit not going to lie but this is better then if the event went smoothly
PS: James never actually worked for valve as an employee, he is just hired talent for events
PS: James never actually worked for valve as an employee, he is just hired talent for events
the301stspartanprobably getting downfragged because "stupid dota nonsense" is a ridiculous phrase, as it's the video game that has given valve most of its recent success and it places almost all its esports stock into this game.I'm not saying Dota is stupid nonsense, I'm saying that what seems to be nothing but the antics of a video game tournament stream moderator during a pause is stupid nonsense, and it is.
most "billion dollar companies" aren't valve who themselves have a very special relationship with the internet and don't run million dollar+ tournaments for a game that has its own subreddit. comparing this announcement by valve to a different company that doesn't even have a special relationship with the internet and don't make video games is pointless.
I haven't seen Larry Page or Mark Zuckerberg calling former employees asses on reddit so far. I also don't know of any head of a major game developer (except molyneux) act that way.
And in interviews, articles and anywhere else I've seen Gaben talk, he always talked in corporate lingo and conducted himself super professionally.
So no, I don't see how this is in any way usual for Valve or Gabe, and seems completely ridiculous if it's all about the person making some weird jokes during the break of a shittily produced dota stream.
still pretty different, dude. google doesn't have an internet culture in the way valve does. valve is a video game company. esports in general are pretty lighthearted on the professionalism end. valve themselves aren't as classically business-like as google or facebook. i agree that it is pretty out of nowhere and that's why everyone is pretty confused. i have a feeling it doesn't have entirely to do with something you saw on stream. regardless, if google or facebook came out of the woodwork and called an employee an ass (not even just a hired talent), it would be extremely out of character as they don't have video game events being broadcast on twitch tv with millions of people posting dongers and rude copypasta for 8 hours at a time. the entire culture behind each business is staggeringly different, and that's including the fanbase. people posting on r/google are not going to be the same people posting on r/dota2.
[quote=the301stspartan][quote]probably getting downfragged because "stupid dota nonsense" is a ridiculous phrase, as it's the video game that has given valve most of its recent success and it places almost all its esports stock into this game.[/quote]
I'm not saying Dota is stupid nonsense, I'm saying that what seems to be nothing but the antics of a video game tournament stream moderator during a pause is stupid nonsense, and it is.
[quote]most "billion dollar companies" aren't valve who themselves have a very special relationship with the internet and don't run million dollar+ tournaments for a game that has its own subreddit. comparing this announcement by valve to a different company that doesn't even have a special relationship with the internet and don't make video games is pointless.[/quote]
I haven't seen Larry Page or Mark Zuckerberg calling former employees asses on reddit so far. I also don't know of any head of a major game developer (except molyneux) act that way.
And in interviews, articles and anywhere else I've seen Gaben talk, he always talked in corporate lingo and conducted himself super professionally.
So no, I don't see how this is in any way usual for Valve or Gabe, and seems completely ridiculous if it's all about the person making some weird jokes during the break of a shittily produced dota stream.[/quote]
still pretty different, dude. google doesn't have an internet culture in the way valve does. valve is a video game company. esports in general are pretty lighthearted on the professionalism end. valve themselves aren't as classically business-like as google or facebook. i agree that it is pretty out of nowhere and that's why everyone is pretty confused. i have a feeling it doesn't have entirely to do with something you saw on stream. regardless, if google or facebook came out of the woodwork and called an employee an ass (not even just a hired talent), it would be extremely out of character as they don't have video game events being broadcast on twitch tv with millions of people posting dongers and rude copypasta for 8 hours at a time. the entire culture behind each business is staggeringly different, and that's including the fanbase. people posting on r/google are not going to be the same people posting on r/dota2.
I'm not saying Dota is stupid nonsense, I'm saying that what seems to be nothing but the antics of a video game tournament stream moderator during a pause is stupid nonsense, and it is.
[quote]most "billion dollar companies" aren't valve who themselves have a very special relationship with the internet and don't run million dollar+ tournaments for a game that has its own subreddit. comparing this announcement by valve to a different company that doesn't even have a special relationship with the internet and don't make video games is pointless.[/quote]
I haven't seen Larry Page or Mark Zuckerberg calling former employees asses on reddit so far. I also don't know of any head of a major game developer (except molyneux) act that way.
And in interviews, articles and anywhere else I've seen Gaben talk, he always talked in corporate lingo and conducted himself super professionally.
So no, I don't see how this is in any way usual for Valve or Gabe, and seems completely ridiculous if it's all about the person making some weird jokes during the break of a shittily produced dota stream.[/quote]
still pretty different, dude. google doesn't have an internet culture in the way valve does. valve is a video game company. esports in general are pretty lighthearted on the professionalism end. valve themselves aren't as classically business-like as google or facebook. i agree that it is pretty out of nowhere and that's why everyone is pretty confused. i have a feeling it doesn't have entirely to do with something you saw on stream. regardless, if google or facebook came out of the woodwork and called an employee an ass (not even just a hired talent), it would be extremely out of character as they don't have video game events being broadcast on twitch tv with millions of people posting dongers and rude copypasta for 8 hours at a time. the entire culture behind each business is staggeringly different, and that's including the fanbase. people posting on r/google are not going to be the same people posting on r/dota2.
Regardless of if Valve is not as professional as Google, it's embarrassing to fire someone like that.
Also if esports wants to be taken seriously, shit like that really has got to stop. Although, with Godell and Bettman, professionalism isn't necessary lol.
Regardless of if Valve is not as professional as Google, it's embarrassing to fire someone like that.
Also if esports wants to be taken seriously, shit like that really has got to stop. Although, with Godell and Bettman, professionalism isn't necessary lol.
Also if esports wants to be taken seriously, shit like that really has got to stop. Although, with Godell and Bettman, professionalism isn't necessary lol.
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