i like it

I actually like it, nothing too incredibly overpowered, +1 for the quickiebomb and charge n targe.

all scout primaries except sodapopper are ok
all flamethrowers except phlog are completely fine
2restrictive imo
why allow concheror but ban the other banners?

no rj or airstrike or market gardener why do you hate fun
also idk why you banned shit like the bison thats so terrible literally nobody uses it aside from memes
if youre gonna ban stupid shit like that you should ban the widow maker as well

better than the current global whitelist but I dont understand why is hitmans heatmaker allowed when something like the classic is banned?

also cloak and dagger is aids

spy class already blows horse cock since valve decided to change it so you can see teammates outlines thru walls after u spawn without the c&d spy is literally just rng cause you cant wait for an opportunity

My thought process was if it is shit dont allow it either. Not my fault valve make weapons that you only use to BM teams u r rollin'.

I'm 50/50 on other banners.

Heatmaker is basically default anyway.

Widowmaker rewards shots on target.

Market gardener should be banned anyway stupid weapon.

Also sage I disagree with you, if anything phlog should be the only one allowed with default - degreaser and backburner just encourages meme offclassing.

"Market gardener should be banned anyway stupid weapon"
yeah that's an awful reason

I think basically all disagreement is going to be whether or not you think only weapons actively bad to comp play should be banned, or if you should ban potentially annoying and/or ban useless weapons (in other words, only whitelist actually good weapons). And that's all personal preference.

My only issue with what you have (knowing what kind of whitelist you're going for, even if I'd like to see a different direction with it personally) is that it's a bit inconsistent. Some unbanned weapons (like the loose cannon imo) have a lot more potential to be broken than some banned weapons (like half of what's banned for soldier) and it doesn't feel like there's any rhyme or reason to which ones you decided to ban or not.

Loose cannon in its current state is kosher IMHO. If it were back a few years ago it would be banned. I totally get the inconsistency point and yes I think you can tell I'd be in favour of a tighter whitelist (think Euro whitelist from a few years back)

fun police alert!!!

but my hats

That was on accident but tbh i dont see why hats arent banned in competitive play.

why would they be banned, they provide no advantage to the wearer, and in worst case scenario, will make you slightly more visible (which you can just solve by taking off the hat)

aren't there a couple that can throw off snipers? that might've been like five years ago though

i had a friend who used to wear a smoking unusual for sniper and he centered it so that it covered his head, but tbh that really didn't make an affect on how well i could aim at him.

unban half-zatochi I need a katana to slay scouts with when I play demo

I don't see much reason to ban weak weapons. I understand people might use it to troll, but there could be a few instances where it could be useful. There so many other ways to throw without using crutch weapons anyways.

Not again...

It'd probably be better if the post wasn't worded like

Dafuck you talking about

OP wanted another radical whitelist thread, so don't be surprised if this turns into another one of those.

Can we b& these threads?

The best part is banning hats miscs etc, gimme back that stock as fuck look

It was an accident but I think it would be good tbh. Or only allow hats from before 2010 ecks dee

Thanks for freeing me from the oppression of the razorback.

Scout:
Forceanature shouldn't be banned, this may be annoying to play against but rewards skill since missing even 1 shot on the other player means you're probably dead.

Soldier:
Same as before but for market gardener, big risk but a big reward and rewards players that have spent the time to be good with it e.g. dd5f. You're dead if you miss or kill if you hit. Cowmangler should be unlocked too imo. It's the exact same as the rocket launcher except ammo and charge shot. Ammo isn't a huge issue with rocket launcher imo and banning the weapon because of the charge shot, which is probs because you don't like it, Is silly since you'll rarely hit it. If you miss you're down 4 rockets and have wasted the clip

Demoman:
Don't think chargin targe should be allowed since demo knight has no use

Spy:
Ambassador should be allowed

I like some of the changes in this but think that quite a few things have been banned for the wrong reasons. Dh on solly is the biggest thing that I would want banned and agree with you there

Everytime we have this thread it's always about the question:
"Do we ban unlocks if they won't be used in serious play or do we allow unlocks because they won't be used in serious play?"

Class specific taunts banned smh