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#31
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Just hear me out... just maybe hes just really lucky and has decent game sense.......

Just hear me out... just maybe hes just really lucky and has decent game sense.......
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Idk if anyone in this thread actually watched the video and just downvoted bcz of who posted it, but jfk is clearly cheating and has not only got away with it but doing better than ever, he won last season of IM. I have seen him track players through walls as recently as yesterday, and I would encourage anyone with good evidence to submit it to Rgl anti cheat, which has more resources as of recently.

Idk if anyone in this thread actually watched the video and just downvoted bcz of who posted it, but jfk is clearly cheating and has not only got away with it but doing better than ever, he won last season of IM. I have seen him track players through walls as recently as yesterday, and I would encourage anyone with good evidence to submit it to Rgl anti cheat, which has more resources as of recently.
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#33
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https://ozfortress.com/forums/threads/105

https://ozfortress.com/forums/threads/105
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#34
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im not weighing in on if this guy is or is not cheating, but please don't make videos trying to showcase evidence if you don't know how cheats actually work

im not weighing in on if this guy is or is not cheating, but please don't make videos trying to showcase evidence if you don't know how cheats actually work
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#35
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Seinfeldim not weighing in on if this guy is or is not cheating, but please don't make videos trying to showcase evidence if you don't know how cheats actually work

Its not even that man. When I made that yen document I had the name of the cheats we think he is using if he was cheating. Im extremely biased because I have known jfk for a bit and he is a friend but, I have yet to see anything. Also half this tried using MGE as evidence man so its hard to take anything he provided seriously.

[quote=Seinfeld]im not weighing in on if this guy is or is not cheating, but please don't make videos trying to showcase evidence if you don't know how cheats actually work[/quote]
Its not even that man. When I made that yen document I had the name of the cheats we think he is using if he was cheating. Im extremely biased because I have known jfk for a bit and he is a friend but, I have yet to see anything. Also half this tried using MGE as evidence man so its hard to take anything he provided seriously.
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#36
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Seinfeldim not weighing in on if this guy is or is not cheating, but please don't make videos trying to showcase evidence if you don't know how cheats actually work

Please elaborate on this statement so I can understand what went wrong and I can make a better video.

[quote=Seinfeld]im not weighing in on if this guy is or is not cheating, but please don't make videos trying to showcase evidence if you don't know how cheats actually work[/quote]

Please elaborate on this statement so I can understand what went wrong and I can make a better video.
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#37
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Prime-SanitySeinfeldim not weighing in on if this guy is or is not cheating, but please don't make videos trying to showcase evidence if you don't know how cheats actually workIts not even that man. When I made that yen document I had the name of the cheats we think he is using if he was cheating. Im extremely biased because I have known jfk for a bit and he is a friend but, I have yet to see anything. Also half this tried using MGE as evidence man so its hard to take anything he provided seriously.

I didn't know people can't cheat in MGE

[quote=Prime-Sanity][quote=Seinfeld]im not weighing in on if this guy is or is not cheating, but please don't make videos trying to showcase evidence if you don't know how cheats actually work[/quote]
Its not even that man. When I made that yen document I had the name of the cheats we think he is using if he was cheating. Im extremely biased because I have known jfk for a bit and he is a friend but, I have yet to see anything. Also half this tried using MGE as evidence man so its hard to take anything he provided seriously.[/quote]
I didn't know people can't cheat in MGE
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#38
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cookiePrime-SanitySeinfeldim not weighing in on if this guy is or is not cheating, but please don't make videos trying to showcase evidence if you don't know how cheats actually workIts not even that man. When I made that yen document I had the name of the cheats we think he is using if he was cheating. Im extremely biased because I have known jfk for a bit and he is a friend but, I have yet to see anything. Also half this tried using MGE as evidence man so its hard to take anything he provided seriously.I didn't know people can't cheat in MGE

No that is not at all what I am saying. I should had shown what I meant so I will do that now.

AtomiskMore so, K1ng, Rex and I did some 2v2 mge with Jfk and whoever had Jfk on their team, won. Every single time. Wasnt even close.
[quote=cookie][quote=Prime-Sanity][quote=Seinfeld]im not weighing in on if this guy is or is not cheating, but please don't make videos trying to showcase evidence if you don't know how cheats actually work[/quote]
Its not even that man. When I made that yen document I had the name of the cheats we think he is using if he was cheating. Im extremely biased because I have known jfk for a bit and he is a friend but, I have yet to see anything. Also half this tried using MGE as evidence man so its hard to take anything he provided seriously.[/quote]
I didn't know people can't cheat in MGE[/quote]
No that is not at all what I am saying. I should had shown what I meant so I will do that now.
[quote=Atomisk]More so, K1ng, Rex and I did some 2v2 mge with Jfk and whoever had Jfk on their team, won. Every single time. Wasnt even close. [/quote]
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quintoshhttps://ozfortress.com/forums/threads/105

I understand the sentiment here obviously but that's ozfortress, for a while in RGL it was under the assumption that there was a very lack luster AC team that lead to people to decide doing it on their own. Can't really blame people when the AC team barely talks to the public on there current status and it leading to vigilantism within its own community.

[quote=quintosh]https://ozfortress.com/forums/threads/105[/quote]

I understand the sentiment here obviously but that's ozfortress, for a while in RGL it was under the assumption that there was a very lack luster AC team that lead to people to decide doing it on their own. Can't really blame people when the AC team barely talks to the public on there current status and it leading to vigilantism within its own community.
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Prime-SanitycookiePrime-SanitySeinfeldim not weighing in on if this guy is or is not cheating, but please don't make videos trying to showcase evidence if you don't know how cheats actually workIts not even that man. When I made that yen document I had the name of the cheats we think he is using if he was cheating. Im extremely biased because I have known jfk for a bit and he is a friend but, I have yet to see anything. Also half this tried using MGE as evidence man so its hard to take anything he provided seriously.I didn't know people can't cheat in MGENo that is not at all what I am saying. I should had shown what I meant so I will do that now. AtomiskMore so, K1ng, Rex and I did some 2v2 mge with Jfk and whoever had Jfk on their team, won. Every single time. Wasnt even close.

Kind of weird how the only take you have is that I used mge as one of the reasons why I was suspicious of him. Ignoring everything else. Its almost like you are being disingenuous and facetious.

[quote=Prime-Sanity][quote=cookie][quote=Prime-Sanity][quote=Seinfeld]im not weighing in on if this guy is or is not cheating, but please don't make videos trying to showcase evidence if you don't know how cheats actually work[/quote]
Its not even that man. When I made that yen document I had the name of the cheats we think he is using if he was cheating. Im extremely biased because I have known jfk for a bit and he is a friend but, I have yet to see anything. Also half this tried using MGE as evidence man so its hard to take anything he provided seriously.[/quote]
I didn't know people can't cheat in MGE[/quote]
No that is not at all what I am saying. I should had shown what I meant so I will do that now.
[quote=Atomisk]More so, K1ng, Rex and I did some 2v2 mge with Jfk and whoever had Jfk on their team, won. Every single time. Wasnt even close. [/quote][/quote]


Kind of weird how the only take you have is that I used mge as one of the reasons why I was suspicious of him. Ignoring everything else. Its almost like you are being disingenuous and facetious.
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#41
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You defend extremely suspect people in your pug server I don't want to hear it from you dog fucker. This whole thread is a witchunt on jfk. You thought fucking sy was cheating and thats why you banned him from your server so any opinion you have is just like lowered.

You defend extremely suspect people in your pug server I don't want to hear it from you dog fucker. This whole thread is a witchunt on jfk. You thought fucking sy was cheating and thats why you banned him from your server so any opinion you have is just like lowered.
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Prime-SanityYou defend extremely suspect people in your pug server I don't want to hear it from you dog fucker. This whole thread is a witchunt on jfk.

So instead of explaining yourself all you have is personal insults. It sounds like you aren't someone to be taken seriously. Also, don't you have a pretty bad history yourself? I'll check your RGL page for your most recent bans.

[quote=Prime-Sanity]You defend extremely suspect people in your pug server I don't want to hear it from you dog fucker. This whole thread is a witchunt on jfk.[/quote]

So instead of explaining yourself all you have is personal insults. It sounds like you aren't someone to be taken seriously. Also, don't you have a pretty bad history yourself? I'll check your RGL page for your most recent bans.
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#43
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Prime-SanityYou defend extremely suspect people in your pug server I don't want to hear it from you dog fucker. This whole thread is a witchunt on jfk. You thought fucking sy was cheating and thats why you banned him from your server so any opinion you have is just like lowered.

I never thought Sy was cheating. Another lie. Man you are just chock full of them. You just sound like someone who likes to talk and create drama without anything worth saying. Thanks for posting on this thread.

[quote=Prime-Sanity]You defend extremely suspect people in your pug server I don't want to hear it from you dog fucker. This whole thread is a witchunt on jfk. You thought fucking sy was cheating and thats why you banned him from your server so any opinion you have is just like lowered.[/quote]

I never thought Sy was cheating. Another lie. Man you are just chock full of them. You just sound like someone who likes to talk and create drama without anything worth saying. Thanks for posting on this thread.
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#44
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AtomiskPrime-SanityYou defend extremely suspect people in your pug server I don't want to hear it from you dog fucker. This whole thread is a witchunt on jfk. You thought fucking sy was cheating and thats why you banned him from your server so any opinion you have is just like lowered.
I never thought Sy was cheating. Another lie. Man you are just chock full of them. You just sound like someone who likes to talk and create drama without anything worth saying. Thanks for posting on this thread.

Ill debunk your whole video man. Don't you got some cats to microwave or some shit? Also you are the wrong person to talk about lies.

Atomisk- No I never microwaved my dog.
- The bucket story wasn't mine and I retold it as if it was me for shock value.
- I don't have sex with animals. I hear some of the more edgier trolls saying this about me.
- I don't support the abuse of animals.

I feel like if you are telling the truth then you could have told me when I confronted you about it or any else besides blocking them or banning them they tried to confront you. Anyone who tried to confront you privately would get blocked. You joined epicer pugs only to get ragged on and not deny any of the "allegations." Also its not "allegations" if they come out of your own mouth.
So please tell me why are you lying.

[quote=Atomisk][quote=Prime-Sanity]You defend extremely suspect people in your pug server I don't want to hear it from you dog fucker. This whole thread is a witchunt on jfk. You thought fucking sy was cheating and thats why you banned him from your server so any opinion you have is just like lowered.[/quote]

I never thought Sy was cheating. Another lie. Man you are just chock full of them. You just sound like someone who likes to talk and create drama without anything worth saying. Thanks for posting on this thread.[/quote]
Ill debunk your whole video man. Don't you got some cats to microwave or some shit? Also you are the wrong person to talk about lies.
[quote=Atomisk]
- No I never microwaved my dog.
- [i][b]The bucket story wasn't mine and I retold it as if it was me for shock value. [/b]
[/i]- I don't have sex with animals. I hear some of the more edgier trolls saying this about me.
- I don't support the abuse of animals. [/quote]
I feel like if you are telling the truth then you could have told me when I confronted you about it or any else besides blocking them or banning them they tried to confront you. Anyone who tried to confront you privately would get blocked. You joined epicer pugs only to get ragged on and not deny any of the "allegations." Also its not "allegations" if they come out of your own mouth.
So please tell me why are you [url=https://imgur.com/yVTdjac]lying.[/url]
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#45
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Prime-SanityAtomiskPrime-SanityYou defend extremely suspect people in your pug server I don't want to hear it from you dog fucker. This whole thread is a witchunt on jfk. You thought fucking sy was cheating and thats why you banned him from your server so any opinion you have is just like lowered.
I never thought Sy was cheating. Another lie. Man you are just chock full of them. You just sound like someone who likes to talk and create drama without anything worth saying. Thanks for posting on this thread.
Ill debunk your whole video man. Don't you got some cats to microwave or some shit? Also you are the wrong person to talk about lies.

Dude then just do it. Your prancing around and saying you can do this and that but you aren't doing it. Defend your friend. Lets go.
Atomisk- No I never microwaved my dog.
- The bucket story wasn't mine and I retold it as if it was me for shock value.
- I don't have sex with animals. I hear some of the more edgier trolls saying this about me.
- I don't support the abuse of animals.
I feel like if you are telling the truth then you could have told me when I confronted you about it or any else besides blocking them or banning them they tried to confront you. Anyone who tried to confront you privately would get blocked. You joined epicer pugs only to get ragged on and not deny any of the "allegations." Also its not "allegations" if they come out of your own mouth.
So please tell me why are you lying.

Just more trolling and personal attacks. Its almost like your trying to take the focus away from your friend.

[quote=Prime-Sanity][quote=Atomisk][quote=Prime-Sanity]You defend extremely suspect people in your pug server I don't want to hear it from you dog fucker. This whole thread is a witchunt on jfk. You thought fucking sy was cheating and thats why you banned him from your server so any opinion you have is just like lowered.[/quote]

I never thought Sy was cheating. Another lie. Man you are just chock full of them. You just sound like someone who likes to talk and create drama without anything worth saying. Thanks for posting on this thread.[/quote]
Ill debunk your whole video man. Don't you got some cats to microwave or some shit? Also you are the wrong person to talk about lies.

Dude then just do it. Your prancing around and saying you can do this and that but you aren't doing it. Defend your friend. Lets go.

[quote=Atomisk]
- No I never microwaved my dog.
- [i][b]The bucket story wasn't mine and I retold it as if it was me for shock value. [/b]
[/i]- I don't have sex with animals. I hear some of the more edgier trolls saying this about me.
- I don't support the abuse of animals. [/quote]
I feel like if you are telling the truth then you could have told me when I confronted you about it or any else besides blocking them or banning them they tried to confront you. Anyone who tried to confront you privately would get blocked. You joined epicer pugs only to get ragged on and not deny any of the "allegations." Also its not "allegations" if they come out of your own mouth.
So please tell me why are you [url=https://imgur.com/yVTdjac]lying.[/url][/quote]

Just more trolling and personal attacks. Its almost like your trying to take the focus away from your friend.
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#46
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Atomiskhttps://youtu.be/g5r08D8-0N4

I would like to say that I am not either experienced or good enough to determine if someone is cheating and that I do hold somewhat of a bias. This is simply my opinion on the clips as I have been involved in a decent bit of alleged cheating investigations.

First Watch of Clip 1: Go back 1000 ticks before the incident, and you'll see that JFK had already spotted the soldier in the lobby. It's worth noting that while it’s possible he "locked onto the soldier behind the wall," the purpose of aim locks is to be precise. Moreover, any decent player would position themselves to watch two doors, meeting in the middle so both doors are in their peripheral vision. I should also point out that this isn’t an example of snapping. Snapping is when the aim locks directly onto player models, but in this clip, he’s missing by a mile.

Second Watch: You don’t have that kind of mouse control because excess fat prevents you from moving your arms freely. If we’re using half this crosshair, it’s sort of on the medic, but not entirely, which suggests it’s likely human error. Aimlock is supposed to eliminate that error. I played the demo through the incident for a few more ticks, and it just looks normal to me. There are plenty of instances where I’ve flicked and landed a hit. Also, what do you want him to do in that scenario? Bomb the Übered players? He’s constantly swapping back and forth to check if the Über has run out. Hes waiting so that he can do his job as soldier on last which is to stop them from capping by bombing the point.

[quote=Atomisk]
https://youtu.be/g5r08D8-0N4[/quote]
I would like to say that I am not either experienced or good enough to determine if someone is cheating and that I do hold somewhat of a bias. This is simply my opinion on the clips as I have been involved in a decent bit of alleged cheating investigations.

First Watch of Clip 1: Go back 1000 ticks before the incident, and you'll see that JFK had already spotted the soldier in the lobby. It's worth noting that while it’s possible he "locked onto the soldier behind the wall," the purpose of aim locks is to be precise. Moreover, any decent player would position themselves to watch two doors, meeting in the middle so both doors are in their peripheral vision. I should also point out that this isn’t an example of snapping. Snapping is when the aim locks directly onto player models, but in this clip, he’s missing by a mile.

Second Watch: You don’t have that kind of mouse control because excess fat prevents you from moving your arms freely. If we’re using half this crosshair, it’s sort of on the medic, but not entirely, which suggests it’s likely human error. Aimlock is supposed to eliminate that error. I played the demo through the incident for a few more ticks, and it just looks normal to me. There are plenty of instances where I’ve flicked and landed a hit. Also, what do you want him to do in that scenario? Bomb the Übered players? He’s constantly swapping back and forth to check if the Über has run out. Hes waiting so that he can do his job as soldier on last which is to stop them from capping by bombing the point.
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#47
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Prime-SanityI would like to say that I am not either experienced or good enough to determine if someone is cheating and that I do hold somewhat of a bias. This is simply my opinion on the clips as I have been involved in a decent bit of alleged cheating investigations.

lol
lmao

[quote=Prime-Sanity]
I would like to say that I am not either experienced or good enough to determine if someone is cheating and that I do hold somewhat of a bias. This is simply my opinion on the clips as I have been involved in a decent bit of alleged cheating investigations.
[/quote]
lol
lmao
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#48
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So I spoke with someone who added me in regards to this thread and they clued me in to how AC staff works and the type of things they look for. Here's the run down of what I learned from my conversation with them.

STV demo's are terrible to catch most stuff because its server side and things can be wonky. Even if there was something that can be said to be strong evidence, can't be proven for sure without the POV demo and would only result in having AC staff be aware of the player at most.
Slowing down demo's to catch suspicious activity is bad and usually just enforces bias. Which I've heard before from friends.

What I took from that conversation was that catching cheaters can be pretty difficult. Because getting POV demos of a suspected cheater without having some kind of authority is hard. I'm sure you could scour STV demos and find more pretty good evidence but it would be inconclusive without the POV demo. I think with more good evidence from the STV demos from recent games would get RGL staff to pressure him for his POV demos but I'm not willing to put in that work at this point in time. So that's where my involvement ends. I already put to much effort into getting this guy 4 months ago.

I advise everyone else who plays competitive against him, just ask for his POV demo of the game in question. But good luck. I think eventually he'll be caught but it wont be soon enough for me.

So I spoke with someone who added me in regards to this thread and they clued me in to how AC staff works and the type of things they look for. Here's the run down of what I learned from my conversation with them.

STV demo's are terrible to catch most stuff because its server side and things can be wonky. Even if there was something that can be said to be strong evidence, can't be proven for sure without the POV demo and would only result in having AC staff be aware of the player at most.
Slowing down demo's to catch suspicious activity is bad and usually just enforces bias. Which I've heard before from friends.

What I took from that conversation was that catching cheaters can be pretty difficult. Because getting POV demos of a suspected cheater without having some kind of authority is hard. I'm sure you could scour STV demos and find more pretty good evidence but it would be inconclusive without the POV demo. I think with more good evidence from the STV demos from recent games would get RGL staff to pressure him for his POV demos but I'm not willing to put in that work at this point in time. So that's where my involvement ends. I already put to much effort into getting this guy 4 months ago.

I advise everyone else who plays competitive against him, just ask for his POV demo of the game in question. But good luck. I think eventually he'll be caught but it wont be soon enough for me.
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