so i've been playing tf2 for just over 666 hours and still don't feel like i've improved at all. (this is especially true of the projectile classes, soldier and demoman.) i'm pretty sure i know why; there's always too much going on for me to react to. i can concentrate on maybe one or two things at a time, so i wind up either tunnel visioning or getting overloaded with information. i don't see any reasonable way of learning to deal with this; i play a fair amount of MGE, but that's 1v1 and you always know where the other guy is coming from, so it doesn't help me much. DM has the opposite problem: it's simply too chaotic for me, and i wind up wildly spamming or tunneling and only getting kills by chance.
i also have real difficulties with aim, because i'm bad at the two things you need to aim well (that is, prediction and tracking -- i'm always about half a second behind); but that's to be expected of someone on their first fps that they didn't pick up until age 20. aim could be improved with practice, if i can figure out how to practice well.
so should i stop trying and just play huntsman sniper in pubs and hang out in stream chats? or is there something i can do to actually get better and, if so, what?
so i've been playing tf2 for just over 666 hours and still don't feel like i've improved at all. (this is especially true of the projectile classes, soldier and demoman.) i'm pretty sure i know why; there's always too much going on for me to react to. i can concentrate on maybe one or two things at a time, so i wind up either tunnel visioning or getting overloaded with information. i don't see any reasonable way of learning to deal with this; i play a fair amount of MGE, but that's 1v1 and you always know where the other guy is coming from, so it doesn't help me much. DM has the opposite problem: it's simply too chaotic for me, and i wind up wildly spamming or tunneling and only getting kills by chance.
i also have real difficulties with aim, because i'm bad at the two things you need to aim well (that is, prediction and tracking -- i'm always about half a second behind); but that's to be expected of someone on their first fps that they didn't pick up until age 20. aim could be improved with practice, if i can figure out how to practice well.
so should i stop trying and just play huntsman sniper in pubs and hang out in stream chats? or is there something i can do to actually get better and, if so, what?
kiri666 hours
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Seriously though, 678 hours isn't much compared to most of the better players in tf2. Play more, and spend time on practice and you'll feel the skill rise. :]
[quote=kiri][b]666 hours[/b][/quote]
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Seriously though, 678 hours isn't much compared to most of the better players in tf2. Play more, and spend time on practice and you'll feel the skill rise. :]
Ask yourself. Do YOU want to get better? No one can tell you what to do. Take it upon yourself if you want to improve. That's what you need to answer first. If it's yes, then find one thing to focus on per DM round. Try focusing on two players at once if possible. Then keep building up. You don't start at the top
Ask yourself. Do YOU want to get better? No one can tell you what to do. Take it upon yourself if you want to improve. That's what you need to answer first. If it's yes, then find one thing to focus on per DM round. Try focusing on two players at once if possible. Then keep building up. You don't start at the top
Just relax, be confident in your play and yourself. Shit does wonders.
Just relax, be confident in your play and yourself. Shit does wonders.
just keep on playing and you'll get better. 600 hours isn't a lot, especially if this is your first FPS.
i can guarantee you that a bunch of top open players/IM players have 1500+ hours of gametime. it takes time to get good aim and reaction time.
for some, they come from other games like tribes and css, and thats why they have ~400 hours of tf2 and have monster aim.
but for most, they have to keep on practicing to get better aim. i have over 3500 hours on the game, mostly from pubbing when i first began and i haven't even past open yet.
you shouldn't have doubt in yourself, that's just going to drag you farther back. just keep playing and practicing and always have a goal in mind when you play. trust me, everyone gets better in time.
just keep on playing and you'll get better. 600 hours isn't a lot, especially if this is your first FPS.
i can guarantee you that a bunch of top open players/IM players have 1500+ hours of gametime. it takes time to get good aim and reaction time.
for some, they come from other games like tribes and css, and thats why they have ~400 hours of tf2 and have monster aim.
but for most, they have to keep on practicing to get better aim. i have over 3500 hours on the game, mostly from pubbing when i first began and i haven't even past open yet.
you shouldn't have doubt in yourself, that's just going to drag you farther back. just keep playing and practicing and always have a goal in mind when you play. trust me, everyone gets better in time.
Don't feel bad, I have 3300+ hours and I'm only a low IM medic
Don't feel bad, I have 3300+ hours and I'm only a low IM medic
Keep at it!
Often times it will feel as if you are not improving, especially if you don't see the results you want right away. As someone who has had the same feeling in the past I assure you that you WILL improve if you work towards it, as icTus said. It will be slow, there is no shortcut to make you a thousand times better right away, but you will get there. If dm is a weakpoint, play it more. Same with MGE. It will feel disheartening when you lose or get a low k:d but that is where your drive to improve will be tested. If you intend on going into 6s, look for a team in UGC or something. So if you do feel like you want to improve, its just all about dedication and hard-work. Most importantly though, try to have fun. You can't improve if you're not enjoying yourself in at least some manner, because getting mad means you're probably playing bad.
Keep at it!
Often times it will feel as if you are not improving, especially if you don't see the results you want right away. As someone who has had the same feeling in the past I assure you that you WILL improve if you work towards it, as icTus said. It will be slow, there is no shortcut to make you a thousand times better right away, but you will get there. If dm is a weakpoint, play it more. Same with MGE. It will feel disheartening when you lose or get a low k:d but that is where your drive to improve will be tested. If you intend on going into 6s, look for a team in UGC or something. So if you do feel like you want to improve, its just all about dedication and hard-work. Most importantly though, try to have fun. You can't improve if you're not enjoying yourself in at least some manner, because getting mad means you're probably playing bad.
I have about 2000 hours and I'm still terrible, but don't worry! I started competitive only recently, so the majority of those hours weren't well spent. If you're playing in competitive formats such as pugs, mge, DM, you'll get better a lot faster than hours from pubbing.
I have about 2000 hours and I'm still terrible, but don't worry! I started competitive only recently, so the majority of those hours weren't well spent. If you're playing in competitive formats such as pugs, mge, DM, you'll get better a lot faster than hours from pubbing.
takes 10k hours to master a skill when u get to several thousand hours of FPS games and still suck then it might be time to give it up
edit: that is thousands of hours of actual practice and was directed at OP not the guy above me l0l
takes 10k hours to master a skill when u get to several thousand hours of FPS games and still suck then it might be time to give it up
edit: that is thousands of hours of actual practice and was directed at OP not the guy above me l0l
agreed with rando. you're probably not as bad as you think, or at the very least a decent bit of how bad you are is because you think you're bad and dont play with confidence. i think its pretty common to say "WTF JUST HAPPENED TO ME?". tf2 is a fast paced game and the only way you can begin to understand what is going on in the game is to be able to predict what is going to happen before it does.
agreed with rando. you're probably not as bad as you think, or at the very least a decent bit of how bad you are is because you think you're bad and dont play with confidence. i think its pretty common to say "WTF JUST HAPPENED TO ME?". tf2 is a fast paced game and the only way you can begin to understand what is going on in the game is to be able to predict what is going to happen before it does.
FogDon't feel bad, I have 3300+ hours and I'm only a low IM medic
dont push it
[quote=Fog]Don't feel bad, I have 3300+ hours and I'm only a low IM medic[/quote]
dont push it
icTusAsk yourself. Do YOU want to get better? No one can tell you what to do. Take it upon yourself if you want to improve. That's what you need to answer first. If it's yes, then find one thing to focus on per DM round. Try focusing on two players at once if possible. Then keep building up. You don't start at the top
well, my thought process is (1) i like playing tf2, it's fun; (2) you can't play tf2 when you're dead; (3) i should die less; (4) in order to die less, i should kill the people who are trying to kill me before they kill me; (5) therefore i need better aim and reaction time, and not to be overwhelmed with the multitude of targets and/or spam when 4 people are on my screen.
so yes, i would like to do better. i suppose i should play more DM, and try to focus on at least two players at once at any given point, or... something.
what i'm not sure about is if inability to multitask and slow reaction time are just built-in things, like a lack of fine motor control, that will forever keep me from being good. right now i mostly play east coast pubs/mge/dm, would probably need a mic/headset to play anything more competitive but i anyway don't really feel i could do much at this point, considering how poorly i do in pubs. maybe newbie mixes.
[quote=icTus]Ask yourself. Do YOU want to get better? No one can tell you what to do. Take it upon yourself if you want to improve. That's what you need to answer first. If it's yes, then find one thing to focus on per DM round. Try focusing on two players at once if possible. Then keep building up. You don't start at the top[/quote]
well, my thought process is (1) i like playing tf2, it's fun; (2) you can't play tf2 when you're dead; (3) i should die less; (4) in order to die less, i should kill the people who are trying to kill me before they kill me; (5) therefore i need better aim and reaction time, and not to be overwhelmed with the multitude of targets and/or spam when 4 people are on my screen.
so yes, i would like to do better. i suppose i should play more DM, and try to focus on at least two players at once at any given point, or... something.
what i'm not sure about is if inability to multitask and slow reaction time are just built-in things, like a lack of fine motor control, that will forever keep me from being good. right now i mostly play east coast pubs/mge/dm, would probably need a mic/headset to play anything more competitive but i anyway don't really feel i could do much at this point, considering how poorly i do in pubs. maybe newbie mixes.
the ability to not tunnel vision on one thing at a time comes with confidence, experience, and practice.
the ability to not tunnel vision on one thing at a time comes with confidence, experience, and practice.
Instead of learning to kill things before they kill you, learn to put yourself in a position where you're not faced with as many things that are trying to kill you
if that didn't make sense, learn positioning, and the DM will look and feel better as you won't be overwhelmed as much. TF2 isn't like some other shooters where you can win a 3 or 4 v 1 regularly. Even 1v1s should be avoided in general.
Instead of learning to kill things before they kill you, learn to put yourself in a position where you're not faced with as many things that are trying to kill you
if that didn't make sense, learn positioning, and the DM will look and feel better as you won't be overwhelmed as much. TF2 isn't like some other shooters where you can win a 3 or 4 v 1 regularly. Even 1v1s should be avoided in general.
for DM:
use your eyes and ears to be aware of what is close to you.
always shoot first what is more of a threat to you, don't chase an enemy that is retreating if there is someone else already shooting at you.
concentrate on your movement and positioning for dodging your attackers, aiming will come naturally.
aiming and movement mastering take time, don't give up.
for DM:
use your eyes and ears to be aware of what is close to you.
always shoot first what is more of a threat to you, don't chase an enemy that is retreating if there is someone else already shooting at you.
concentrate on your movement and positioning for dodging your attackers, aiming will come naturally.
aiming and movement mastering take time, don't give up.
don't measure yourself in hours cause its really not accurate.
seagull said he had like 500 hours when he made invite
some open players have 3000+ hours
it just depends on how dedicated you are, how well your team works together, and your dm/gamesense. and the only real way to improve and to tell if you've improved is through actual game experience. I think you'll be okay ^_^
don't measure yourself in hours cause its really not accurate.
seagull said he had like 500 hours when he made invite
some open players have 3000+ hours
it just depends on how dedicated you are, how well your team works together, and your dm/gamesense. and the only real way to improve and to tell if you've improved is through actual game experience. I think you'll be okay ^_^
interestingly your concern about too much going on and not being able to keep track everything is really a matter of your spacial awareness skills which are also used and trained in a lot of non-videogame activities
team sports irl for example - players who are said to have good "vision" tend to be those who can conceptualize the 3d space they're playing in and accurately keep track of the position/distances between various moving parts (players) - same skillset, but videogames have the added layer of your brain needing to construct that conceptual 3d space from a 2d picture which is a separate skill that people generally don't build outside of gaming. The spaces in fps maps are also generally more complicated than the field of play in IRL sports so this is by no means an easy thing to get good at and will take some time.
mge/dm are fine for training your aim, dm can also help with your immediate tactical decisions (stuff like deciding who to target when 2 people are on your screen based on their perceived HP, ammo, and positioning) - neither will help with keeping track of the overall situation in 6v6. DM is inherently chaotic because of the respawns and it's not really about keeping track of all 4/5 enemies its just DM practice
just play more 6v6, you get a feel for it with time
interestingly your concern about too much going on and not being able to keep track everything is really a matter of your spacial awareness skills which are also used and trained in a lot of non-videogame activities
team sports irl for example - players who are said to have good "vision" tend to be those who can conceptualize the 3d space they're playing in and accurately keep track of the position/distances between various moving parts (players) - same skillset, but videogames have the added layer of your brain needing to construct that conceptual 3d space from a 2d picture which is a separate skill that people generally don't build outside of gaming. The spaces in fps maps are also generally more complicated than the field of play in IRL sports so this is by no means an easy thing to get good at and will take some time.
mge/dm are fine for training your aim, dm can also help with your immediate tactical decisions (stuff like deciding who to target when 2 people are on your screen based on their perceived HP, ammo, and positioning) - neither will help with keeping track of the overall situation in 6v6. DM is inherently chaotic because of the respawns and it's not really about keeping track of all 4/5 enemies its just DM practice
just play more 6v6, you get a feel for it with time
miloFogDon't feel bad, I have 3300+ hours and I'm only a low IM medic
dont push it
sorry, low open
[quote=milo][quote=Fog]Don't feel bad, I have 3300+ hours and I'm only a low IM medic[/quote]
dont push it[/quote] sorry, low open
L-block
seagull said he had like 500 hours when he made invite[/u]
some open players have 3000+ hours
to be fair seagull has been playing aim-intensive games since he was a wee child
apparently he was amazing at hldm but was too young to play in certain tournaments
ONTOPIC: why do you play tf2?
to win?
to get better?
to make friends and have fun?
the first one is pretty tough to do alone, so make sure youre doing plenty of the second and third in the meantime
or find another game because its not gonna be fun only playing to win against wayyy more experienced dudes
[quote=L-block]
seagull said he had like 500 hours when he made invite[/u]
some open players have 3000+ hours
[/quote]
to be fair seagull has been playing aim-intensive games since he was a wee child
apparently he was amazing at hldm but was too young to play in certain tournaments
ONTOPIC: why do you play tf2?
to win?
to get better?
to make friends and have fun?
the first one is pretty tough to do alone, so make sure youre doing plenty of the second and third in the meantime
or find another game because its not gonna be fun only playing to win against wayyy more experienced dudes
I have 4.6k hours and I'm still shit. Getting better though.
Don't beat yourself up over how long you have played. There's no point in doing so. Just keep playing and you'll get better.
I have 4.6k hours and I'm still shit. Getting better though.
Don't beat yourself up over how long you have played. There's no point in doing so. Just keep playing and you'll get better.
If you're enjoying it, continue.
If not, try and figure out the ways you would enjoy it. Otherwise, do other stuff with your time.
Either way, if you like it, you don't need to be good to watch streams, hang out in mumble, chat with others etc.
If you're enjoying it, continue.
If not, try and figure out the ways you would enjoy it. Otherwise, do other stuff with your time.
Either way, if you like it, you don't need to be good to watch streams, hang out in mumble, chat with others etc.
FogmiloFogDon't feel bad, I have 3300+ hours and I'm only a low IM medic
dont push it
sorry, low open
clown_down
[quote=Fog][quote=milo][quote=Fog]Don't feel bad, I have 3300+ hours and I'm only a low IM medic[/quote]
dont push it[/quote] sorry, low open[/quote]
clown_down
first: play tf2 competitively if it's fun to you. if you enjoy trying to improve, and in general have a good time when you play then keep at it.
second: people at lower levels worry far too much about aim. focus more on becoming the smartest, most aware player you can be. even with poor dm gamesense can easily carry you through open.
first: play tf2 competitively if it's [b]fun[/b] to you. if you enjoy trying to improve, and in general have a good time when you play then keep at it.
second: people at lower levels worry far too much about aim. focus more on becoming the smartest, most aware player you can be. even with poor dm gamesense can easily carry you through open.
L-blockdon't measure yourself in hours cause its really not accurate.
seagull said he had like 500 hours when he made invite
fucking seagull
[quote=L-block]don't measure yourself in hours cause its really not accurate.
seagull said he had like 500 hours when he made invite
[/quote]
fucking seagull
If you enjoy playing, then keep playing. You will improve even if it takes a long time ( I personally have 4800 game hours, 1000 on scout alone), I absolutely promise it. If you hate playing and its a chore to get on and try to get better, don't bother, its not worth putting a ton of hours into if you aren't at least enjoying it.
I think the answer you are looking for though is yes, if you keep playing for long enough, you will improve. I don't think i even started playing competitively until I had 500 hours in the game, and spent another 500 playing lobbies and dm and ammomod before i got a team. Just play, you will improve.
If you enjoy playing, then keep playing. You will improve even if it takes a long time ( I personally have 4800 game hours, 1000 on scout alone), I absolutely promise it. If you hate playing and its a chore to get on and try to get better, don't bother, its not worth putting a ton of hours into if you aren't at least enjoying it.
I think the answer you are looking for though is yes, if you keep playing for long enough, you will improve. I don't think i even started playing competitively until I had 500 hours in the game, and spent another 500 playing lobbies and dm and ammomod before i got a team. Just play, you will improve.
You sound so much like Lange on stream you don't even know. Just keep playing you'll be fine.
You sound so much like Lange on stream you don't even know. Just keep playing you'll be fine.
Don't get down on yourself. Ever. Just relax, and have fun. If you really find that you're not having fun (though you enjoy the game and the people you play with), then I recommend taking a break. Whether it's an hour, a day, or even a week. Take it slow too, practice only becomes more frustrating when you feel you have to be on an Open team by next week. I find myself in this position a lot, which may be the only thing keeping me from being able to play at the Open level.
Don't get down on yourself. Ever. Just relax, and have fun. If you really find that you're not having fun (though you enjoy the game and the people you play with), then I recommend taking a break. Whether it's an hour, a day, or even a week. Take it slow too, practice only becomes more frustrating when you feel you have to be on an Open team by next week. I find myself in this position a lot, which may be the only thing keeping me from being able to play at the Open level.
If you're having trouble with having tunnel vision on a player just try to simply train yourself not to, be more aware of looking at things very quickly with sight. Another good thing is playing off of sound. Playing off of sound really helps me, i saw how much it messed me up getting a new headset. Don't underrate gamesense, cause if you have good aim and don't know what to shoot then you're bad. Aim is just something that takes time, thats about it.
If you're having trouble with having tunnel vision on a player just try to simply train yourself not to, be more aware of looking at things very quickly with sight. Another good thing is playing off of sound. Playing off of sound really helps me, i saw how much it messed me up getting a new headset. Don't underrate gamesense, cause if you have good aim and don't know what to shoot then you're bad. Aim is just something that takes time, thats about it.
dont play huntsman trust me people get really butthurt and start bitching about everything, i should know
dont play huntsman trust me people get really butthurt and start bitching about everything, i should know
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