There is a systemic problem stemming from the league that has taken TF2 and the TF2 community by storm and assumed control. we all know what league I'm talking about, its RGL.gg. The official FRED team was created in the words of one of its members "to try sometimes and have fun". And thats exactly what we did. Unfortunately the rules put in place by RGL.gg harken back to a time much like the recent events igniting racial tensions in the USA during this election season between Donald J. Trump and Joe R. Biden. FRED was banned for one year for ruining competitive integrity. There were no rules about this beforehand so they made up new rules to govern how they should act. This ban was shortened to only 2 seasons for most of us except for Carcin who was given 3 seasons to think about his actions of being listed as a team leader. Carcin got us scrims and he is punished for that. Flu walrus is a shithead now but back then he did not deserve to get banned. You can say that he should have left the server but it is just not fair to have such an expectation given that a scenario like this has never happened before and has never really even been discussed. If all of us left the server we would have all been banned, or if all of us didnt show up we would have all been banned as well. But I did not come here today to talk about Flu Walrus I came here today to talk about the problems in the RGL league that is preventing the competitive integrity that they care about. Can a team (MCM, KND, MM, all the other top teams) really call themselves the best in the league if they are only winning because the best team is not allowed to play? So what we troll some scrims, we trolled them harder when I was on teams with some of you guys. The biggest problem I want to talk about today is what happens when we get unbanned. And Pablo was permabanned for submitting a chargeback request when sigafoo took the prize money paid for by Coach Bucks and other divs and used it to for a tax write off (charity) instead of improving the league like purchasing servers, compensating casters, increasing prize pool, or even giving it back to innocent men like coach bucks during the quarantine. Sigafoo refused to give Coach Bucks his money back during quarantine, and the Coach is not happy about it. I dont think the admins want to act like good admins and instead they just want to fuck over FRED. Back to what I was talking about, when many members (top players, grand finals winning, providing competition and content like Thanos Chubbz during Grand Finals and making the other team look silly so theres some drama too.) Thats another thing. Why does Mothership and the other RGL.gg admins refuse to allow drama or anything interesting to happen on the forums. You should listen to what anyone says in any discord they all talk about how it sucks that nobody uses the forums because everything gets taken down instantly. There is no drama allowed and everyone talks about how the UGC forums were so active all the time, this is because drama was allowed to unfold. Anyways, when FRED supposedly gets unbanned (ban length= 2 seasons, carcin ban length=indefinite=perma seasons for being leader, pablo ban=permanent for asking for coach buckses money back) then we actually still stay banned for a whole year. This is because of the RGL parole/probation system where we are still punished after the punishment ends. Every member of FRED will be put on probation (have not been told who our parole officer is). Do you guys not say these things out loud and realize how ridiculous this sounds lol? You RGL people are so full of yourselves lol. A maximum of TWO probation/parole players are allowed to be rostered on the same team. This means that FRED can not come back until 2022 since probation/parole is for all of 2021. That means we actually got banned for 2+3 seasons (carcin indefinite seasons his parole starts after indefinite seasons) so 5 (carcin indefinite=perma) seasons (pablo permanent). If FRED wants to play they cannot play together, but all this does is prevent us from coming back and instead fracturing the skill so that KND can continue to win over and over again. You think We are going to go play on the imposters? This is crazy lol you guys are insane. And one more thing. Why when I throw grand finals that I get banned from forums, twitch chat, discord, logging into site, prevented from STV server access (another topic), and treated like I have alzheimers. I want to make posts about the ===Spy Cam=== that I'm trying to put a show on for and I cant. Im trying to make posts to contribute to the triiiple community frag movie and I cant. Im trying to make contributions on the polls and I cant. Why does everyone hate my god damn guts? The gatekeeping and things like this are the most toxic parts of the community, and it is being disguised as some Good Fight to make competitive TF2 famous. But you kicked FRED out of ever playing again. I wasnt going to say it but now Im going to say it. I think you wanted FRED to throw grand finals, because several warnings were given by flu walrus and the show was allowed to go on. Last topic. Bowl of mayo keeps getting denied STV access and so do I. Why do we keep getting denied access to merely spectate and stream an interesting game for the community. look up how to set up an STV relay if you are worried about slots. https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/SourceTV UGC set this up back in the day and im not sure why RGL (with its money and several servers, websites, developing pug sites, prize pool, sponsors, etc) doesnt set this up unless something broke and it doesnt work anymore but I doubt it. All I want to do is put on a show for people like me who would have loved a top player watch and maybe give analysis of other top players for specific classes. Like the spy cam? Thats a cool idea and it doesnt interfere with official RGL stream since it is spy POV only. Also, Bowl of Mayo was added to Teamfortress.TV television channel with me so we could get STV info since it was our last resort. RGL admins threw a fit and we got kicked off in less than 1 hour due to RGL admin team pressure (told to sigafoo). Also afterwards the head admin of Highlander says he doesnt want bowl to have STV access even when its not against the rules. https://clips.twitch.tv/ElegantLongDunlinNomNom One more thing. I have never been banned from any competitive TF2 service for any behavioral issue before throwing grand finals, whether TF2C, HLPUGS, UGC, ETF2L, RGL, etc. I know your strategy is that you want to kick people you think are bad people out of the community. I know this because I was an admin for HLPUGS because I was brought on to learn and help with development because I developed some user scripts for the website. When I was an admin, you said yourselves in the admin channel that this was what you wanted to do. Also I was kicked off the admin team for no reason given, but I didnt care too much I just thought it was weird of you guys to turn away free help especially as it seems obvious you guys need more people helping. I know your just kids and you got convinced by someone that Im evil (and FRED) so I (and FRED) need to go, but thats just not the case. Nothing I can do to convince you, but just think about the actions FRED does compared to the actions any other team does. All teams TROLL. but its bad when we TROLL but just fun when other teams TROLL. one person on FRED (chubbz) has been banned for slurs while on the roster. Two other people have been banned for slurs before coming to FRED (TGW, fuzion). No other person. Probably 30 people have been registered on FRED in season 4, season 5. Whoever thinks we deserve a permaban is quite simply an *sshole. I watched banny mute me on his stream because in season 3 I showed up to a match against him and someone told him to mute the entire team.
That was the match KND falsely accused us of DDOSing the match and tried to strongarm the W by leaving the server mid pause before the round ended and RGL ruled in our teams favor. We get falsely accused for things I guess. Also, I promise that I put my shopping carts away at the grocery store and sometimes I even put other peoples loose carts away when there are any near by. So whoever believes in that stuff is wrong. I think you are using RGL as a way to bully people you dont like and gatekeeping people you dont like from participating in a community they have been involved in for years including even helping out at times. I am positive that I have had a net positive impact on NA HL. Thats not an ego thing, but it is a true thing. The same is true for many people on FRED. Think about it. You banned Dave (chad420) and wouldnt listen to any arguments any of us made about it, and then when another team threw in 6s you shortened his ban and even expunged the records, using the same arguments that you told us were bull shit. Because you wanted to not ban them for longer than 1 year despite doing worse thing than us (they messed with playoff seedings but we had nothing to gain from it) so you changed the rules again. The rules seem very flexible at some times but not very flexible at other times. Think about the thought process behind the systems you have put in place, the intended effects of them, the unintended side effects of them, and which effects were intended or unintended and then think again about the systems you have put in place and whether they are good. I know you guys are mostly just kids with no experience and coming up with wacky new ideas but administrating a community video game/hobby league is not really a new science. You can dismiss all this as the ramblings of a man on the brink of psychosis or you can maybe take little nuggets of truth littered throughout and try to improve your league. I tried to report a cheater in amateur a week or two ago but was unable to due to being banned so cant log into the website or the discord and at that rate since all of you admins have mysteriously removed me from your friends list, then Im not going to hunt you down and I just let it be. I told someone else and eventually someone else reported it tho, so he is now banned. Kind of a silly story. Long story short I think you guys plain and simple just dont like us and you are trying to kick us out of the community because you have made a personal judgement against us, and then using your position as admins of RGL (and of the forums, and of the twitch cast, and of the discords, and of the eventual only pug site, and of any future lans, and of apparently even scrims even though you are kinda fudging it with counting all games played on private servers during "scrim time" are scrims) using those monopolies to kick us out of the community. and for what? To get sponsors? Its season 8 buddy where are the sponsors. Why do the sponsors hate my guts and want me gone. Its not logical. I dont think you banning FRED (you can say its not permanent, but its a nearly 2 year ban for 6 of us, permanent ban for 2 of us, and then you "unbanned" dave in the offseason 1 month before he got unbanned anyways). contributed to new players joining at all. But I guess the purpose of this harsh ban wave was to prevent future teams from throwing grands, thats a joke. Just dont troll grands yeah well fuck you buddy why not dont you just publicly execute us then. 2 years and no money no medals no twitch chat no forums no discord no pugs, you try hard as you can to not allow us in scrims and grind your teeth when we manage to ring. Probation makes sure we arent allowed to play together because we will troll. So after we are banned then we get prevented from trolling. but we wont troll when probation ends. its just a way to ban us longer without sounding like its that long. I just want to queue up and play games in my shed. actually I'd just like to do the ===spy cam===. I dont see any reason to prevent me from doing this, but I've never had a harder time getting STV in my life than this. you guys have a massive problem.
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I am speaking the truth, only the truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me god, I have put my blood sweat and tears into this game since 2009 and the way the community is treating these select few individuals and those associated with them is a disgrace to the word community, a community loves shares and helps eachother and instead of just banishing these long time players, try at least to rehabilitate them, it's been proven in the real world that prison just makes worse offenders. I am willing to sacrifice my own life for this game and the way that it's been going and the people in charge make me disgusted with that fact. I believe strong men and women should be in charge and be role models of the community, but the current heads are acting in silence and keeping everyone in the dark about situations regarding themselves and their bans, in a sense, we are being led by children with power, blinded by it, corrupted, A strong leader would never allow these such things to happen to such a great community of people.
Spui didn't read.
coulda just not posted spu
coulda just not posted spu
throwing grands was dumb but this shit shouldn't happen
buudNice thread, didn't read
took the time to post, read it instead.
took the time to post, read it instead.
JustASmallTownSpankAlso, I promise that I put my shopping carts away at the grocery store and sometimes I even put other peoples loose carts away when there are any near by.
Can You Verify That All Fred Players Do This? If So I Will Champion Your Cause.
Can You Verify That All Fred Players Do This? If So I Will Champion Your Cause.
AltoJustASmallTownSpankAlso, I promise that I put my shopping carts away at the grocery store and sometimes I even put other peoples loose carts away when there are any near by.
Can You Verify That All Fred Players Do This? If So I Will Champion Your Cause.
I can absolutely verify that all FRED (and associated FRED crew members, technical staff, all parts of the FRED INFINITY operation and all FRED related assets) will be returning all shopping carts and loose carts away at all grocery stores
Can You Verify That All Fred Players Do This? If So I Will Champion Your Cause.[/quote]
I can absolutely verify that all FRED (and associated FRED crew members, technical staff, all parts of the FRED INFINITY operation and all FRED related assets) will be returning all shopping carts and loose carts away at all grocery stores
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out of curiosity, if shotaway wrote this why doesn't he just post it?
out of curiosity, if shotaway wrote this why doesn't he just post it?
irepost-sout of curiosity, if shotaway wrote this why doesn't he just post it?
I was paid an undisclosed amount of money by the individual named "s" to post this thread
In other words anyone want to go check out some new cars with me?
out of curiosity, if shotaway wrote this why doesn't he just post it?[/quote]
I was paid an undisclosed amount of money by the individual named "s" to post this thread
In other words anyone want to go check out some new cars with me?
everyday I am thankful that I escaped the hell that is highlander
JustASmallTownSpankA strong leader would never allow these such things to happen to such a great community of people.
How about MR SLIN?
How about MR SLIN?
I have a prejudice against people who can't find their enter key.
oh my god he always posts like this, this entire thing is one sentence
JustASmallTownSpankHello I am chad420 and some of you may know me as the guy who plays heavy but doesn't really seem to know what to do most of the time and after playing for so many seasons of highlander, my heavy gameplay finally seems to be at a final goodbye, I was rang in the invite grand finals vs KND and was rang with malicious intent as the player who rang me knew what they were going to do through the entire match and knew that everyone was going to get banned and decided to drag me into this as well to get me banned, as a hard stuck steel player, this last 2 seasons I finally advanced up to the main division and even though its been years I really am not the best player in highlander, and I absolutely jumped on the chance to play grand finals and honestly I felt like I was on top of the world as a unknown heavy main getting asked to play against the best that highlander has to offer so I tried my absolute best even though my team was trolling to the absolute maximum, I managed to pull more damage on cascade than the best heavy in tf2 and I felt like I was invincible and so bowl of mayo asked to interview me post game and I was so happy to be in the limelight so I definitely came across as a big ego player and a troll but honestly thats just coming from where my mental state was at the time which was absolutely ecstatic about playing with the best of the best, and now everyone is banned and I got banned too but its ok because I should have thought about what I was getting into but I guess being asked to play the best team should come as a warning because who in their right mind would ring some unknown heavy player to play against the top of the league
[quote=JustASmallTownSpank]Hello I am chad420 and some of you may know me as the guy who plays heavy but doesn't really seem to know what to do most of the time and after playing for so many seasons of highlander, my heavy gameplay finally seems to be at a final goodbye, I was rang in the invite grand finals vs KND and was rang with malicious intent as the player who rang me knew what they were going to do through the entire match and knew that everyone was going to get banned and decided to drag me into this as well to get me banned, as a hard stuck steel player, this last 2 seasons I finally advanced up to the main division and even though its been years I really am not the best player in highlander, and I absolutely jumped on the chance to play grand finals and honestly I felt like I was on top of the world as a unknown heavy main getting asked to play against the best that highlander has to offer so I tried my absolute best even though my team was trolling to the absolute maximum, I managed to pull more damage on cascade than the best heavy in tf2 and I felt like I was invincible and so bowl of mayo asked to interview me post game and I was so happy to be in the limelight so I definitely came across as a big ego player and a troll but honestly thats just coming from where my mental state was at the time which was absolutely ecstatic about playing with the best of the best, and now everyone is banned and I got banned too but its ok because I should have thought about what I was getting into but I guess being asked to play the best team should come as a warning because who in their right mind would ring some unknown heavy player to play against the top of the league[/quote]