ban b4nny upfrag if u agree

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dude if you want someone to represent the lower division players, speak to me next time

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I'm aware that this is only a tiny part of the document but #3 is not a good idea. Pugchamp is meant to have the best players compete against each other. It ruins the pug for everyone else if your demo is div2 and is only doing 180 dpm when the rest of your team is div1/invite. For now, lower leveled players should look to play TF2Center or find in houses around their skill level. RGL pugs should be another boost for low level players if it ever gets released.

Yeah I was mulling over this. Pugchamp is the service for top talent and it should be so. In any case, rgl pugs can address these issues because they claim (according to b4nny) to have dynamic, skill-based matchmaking.

As far as point 4 is concerned, I don't think you quite understand the level of players that come to newbie mixes. We cater to fresh installs to low seasonal experience and expecting someone to want to main call is just unrealistic. Still, we don't explicitly tell them not to make main calls but no one coming there will be experienced enough to do it confidently in a pug scenario.

On the subject of mentorship and trying to get better, I can tell you that from my experience having coached several teams and being the seasonal drive admin newbie mixes, people starting out playing this game are not going in with the intention of winning, nor are they always crazy concerned about getting better. They appreciate the coaching we give them and many do end up trying a lot, but these guys are merely getting a taste for the competitive side and that's all you can really expect of people. This entire document makes it seem like one of the only real ways to grow the community is for everybody playing to be all about winning and learning and yeah that'd be ideal but ultimately it's just a game and a hobby for most people. Not a lot of people care about the death that's supposedly already shown up because they're in it to have fun with friends more than anything else

I did expect some contention regarding the suggestion. The ideal would be trying to improve to the best of our ability. However, I agree with what you said. Fresh installs and other players should not expect to be grinding the game to be the best, its all just for fun. Maybe a better suggestion would be to ask for a volunteer maincaller, not enforced, just so that a player who wants to maincall learns the role.

wait who are you

Newbie mixes has functioned very well under the current system and I don't see a huge benefit to adding that suggestion since main calling isn't a huge concern to players who are still learning the basics of the game. Plus, maincalling is meant for groups of players that all understand what those calls are and their intended goal and that's not here.

Also I'm having trouble understanding what the goal of a lot of this post is. Seems like you're trying to push for a certain mentality to take hold of competitors but it's a bit naive to assume a post like this would be the encouraging factor to create a "tf2 revolution." Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the interest in pushing the game further but I don't see how this seeks to achieve that.

I think we should replace most rgl 6's admins.

replacing them won't solve the root problem. the solution is to increase transparency and hold admins accountable for deviating from a clear and established penalty system so that an action is penalized the same way every time regardless of who the perp, admin or division it is.

wont happen because there's no reason to and the league is being held together by spaghetti but that's how you'd do it.

ps i volunteer for head admin and, if elected, will drain the swamp.

The tf2 revolution was kind of a joke document name. The real title was The Voice of the Open Player, all I want is to see a more friendly demeanor towards newer players, which will eventually affect the top levels too. If there was less division due to the elitist mindset demonstrated by the top players, if there was more information available and catering to newer players, and if there was more effort in learning the game by newer players, we will see a healthier RGL. Sure it is naive, because I am trying to address all topics, but I wish for nothing more but the best for competitive tf2.

the beauty of open players thinking they know anything is adorable to say the least

The bottom 3 RGL divs are individually bigger than the top 3 combined. We consistently ignore the biggest chunks of the playerbase 'cuz they're bad' then wonder where all the new players are.

people who equate self worth by accomplishments in a video game know even less

tf2 will not be dead if we simply all play mge guys

https://i.ibb.co/QM9JT5F/mrslin.png

While I do have issues with a lot of points made in the document, I do agree with not being overly hostile to new players. It's one thing to sub out a new player because they got lost on their way to tf2center, or get frustrated after they drop multiple times, but it's another thing entirely to verbally abuse inexperienced people like I've seen certain individuals do.

introduce a salary cap so banny can stop poaching talent

in hindsight lots of the time when i got made fun of it was because i had uneducated opinions and had an ego about those opinions. reading through this doc (i actually did read all of it), most of this shit (besides the mentoring part) seems to come from a place of inexperience.

Imo this is a big problem with pugchamp as is right now though. The service clearly is meant to (and used to) have B, C etc pugs going as it has several servers for this purpose, but this almost never happens now. I think there's a few reasons for this, one being the website design, you can't pick 2 pugs concurrently and it takes a long time so people don't stick around. I also think there's a lot of people who would rather wait for an A pug that they don't even end up getting picked in than play a B pug at all, I see this in inhouses as well. Playing pugs at a higher level is generally more enjoyable and more valuable if you want to get better but low level players also need to be able to do this and I think on Pugchamp in particular people tell them not to captain if they're waiting on an A pug to end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sq1Fg-Diwc
Must watch content for every tf2 player

Thank you for taking the time to read it and providing feedback, I know I am an inexperienced player. This document is a culmination of all my knowledge about tf2 in only about 3500 hours. I believe that people with refined opinions deserve to be listened to - if you can elaborate which opinions of yours were dismissed in the past that would be great.

this kinda ignores it being way harder to put on tournaments for teams with 6 people than it is for single player tournaments. you can put up a 15k prize pool in melee and give the best player 7.5 grand and reach out to a few people to provide travel accommodations. that's just way more expensive to do with 6 times the people and im pretty sure the logistics around this have kept any team based esport from flourishing without dev help

not to mention that melee is a far better spectator experience than tf2 can ever be

the real problems with comp tf2 will forever be the game's default settings and the separation between the casual and comp mode at least in 6s, this community does more than any other comp game to cater to new players. and b4nny will never be dethroned because he is a god and he poaches good players who have no reason not to join froyo and no one will ever get a salary to grind and try to outwork him (which would mean him and his players are probably also salaried and would then not lose in playoffs to any team that would be formed of non-froyo players)

saw that you said tf2 instead of TF2...not gonna read

shut up pussy