kirbythe thing is i really want to see the QF be as viable as kritz/UC :(
Given time it will be, at the moment it's like a cool new super-special part on a Formula One race car that gives a team using it a half-a-second advantage. And either the other teams can copy it, resulting in a similar metagame to before the buff. Or develop counter-tactics to it, resulting in a beautifully infinite metagame.
[quote=kirby]the thing is i really want to see the QF be as viable as kritz/UC :([/quote]
Given time it will be, at the moment it's like a cool new super-special part on a Formula One race car that gives a team using it a half-a-second advantage. And either the other teams can copy it, resulting in a similar metagame to before the buff. Or develop counter-tactics to it, resulting in a beautifully infinite metagame.
Before: The new quickfix makes the game really interesting and exciting, it should be made the new meta and we'll savage anyone who dares to disagree.
After game 1: The new quickfix makes the game really stale and boring, it should be banned and we'll savage anyone who dares to disagree.
I don't really understand how the community's opinion can sway so easily.
Before: The new quickfix makes the game really interesting and exciting, it should be made the new meta and we'll savage anyone who dares to disagree.
After game 1: The new quickfix makes the game really stale and boring, it should be banned and we'll savage anyone who dares to disagree.
I don't really understand how the community's opinion can sway so easily.
ClandestinePzBefore: The new quickfix makes the game really interesting and exciting, it should be made the new meta and we'll savage anyone who dares to disagree.
After game 1: The new quickfix makes the game really stale and boring, it should be banned and we'll savage anyone who dares to disagree.
I don't really understand how the community's opinion can sway so easily.
Seeing top teams use it effectively it's the answer for your question
[quote=ClandestinePz]Before: The new quickfix makes the game really interesting and exciting, it should be made the new meta and we'll savage anyone who dares to disagree.
After game 1: The new quickfix makes the game really stale and boring, it should be banned and we'll savage anyone who dares to disagree.
I don't really understand how the community's opinion can sway so easily.[/quote]
Seeing top teams use it effectively it's the answer for your question
ClandestinePzBefore: The new quickfix makes the game really interesting and exciting, it should be made the new meta and we'll savage anyone who dares to disagree.
After game 1: The new quickfix makes the game really stale and boring, it should be banned and we'll savage anyone who dares to disagree.
I don't really understand how the community's opinion can sway so easily.
because not enough people understood the full influence of qf and don't understand medic enough either. it takes time and apparently a lan to play out before people realize and hey that's fine with me let's just please ban it before next season
[quote=ClandestinePz]Before: The new quickfix makes the game really interesting and exciting, it should be made the new meta and we'll savage anyone who dares to disagree.
After game 1: The new quickfix makes the game really stale and boring, it should be banned and we'll savage anyone who dares to disagree.
I don't really understand how the community's opinion can sway so easily.[/quote]
because not enough people understood the full influence of qf and don't understand medic enough either. it takes time and apparently a lan to play out before people realize and hey that's fine with me let's just please ban it before next season
SAJewers It's hard to say, but QF might be one of those things that take people a while to understand fully. Give it a couple months and see if play evolves beyond Heavy/Sniper.
I guarantee that the majority of players fully understand the item. I think what you're saying is that we've yet to learn how to utilize the item to its fullest, and to that I might agree. It has a lot of potential to make the game more interesting, but unfortunately we're stuck with seeing QF'd heavies/snipers.
There's something clearly imbalanced about the item and it should be nerfed, even if slightly. What exactly is imbalanced about it will probably differ between who you ask.
Though it makes sense that teams would rather adopt a "strategy" that works the best or well with an item, it's unfortunate that it has to be the way it is with the item right now.
Off topic again, but a part of me always wanted to see the Vac be viable as well. It's an interesting item.
[quote=SAJewers] It's hard to say, but QF might be one of those things that take people a while to understand fully. Give it a couple months and see if play evolves beyond Heavy/Sniper.[/quote]
I guarantee that the majority of players fully understand the item. I think what you're saying is that we've yet to learn how to utilize the item to its fullest, and to that I might agree. It has a lot of potential to make the game more interesting, but unfortunately we're stuck with seeing QF'd heavies/snipers.
There's something clearly imbalanced about the item and it should be nerfed, even if slightly. What exactly is imbalanced about it will probably differ between who you ask.
Though it makes sense that teams would rather adopt a "strategy" that works the best or well with an item, it's unfortunate that it has to be the way it is with the item right now.
Off topic again, but a part of me always wanted to see the Vac be viable as well. It's an interesting item.
remember that one thread on rr missing a game? remember how quickly into the negative that thread got when rr actually responded?
it's weird to me, because when singled out, I really doubt people's opinions are as simple as the statistics would ever imply. there'd be more specificity within their statements that you can't really capture with the binary "THIS IS A GOOD STATEMENT/THIS IS A BAD STATEMENT" options we have
remember that one thread on rr missing a game? remember how quickly into the negative that thread got when rr actually responded?
it's weird to me, because when singled out, I really doubt people's opinions are as simple as the statistics would ever imply. there'd be more specificity within their statements that you can't really capture with the binary "THIS IS A GOOD STATEMENT/THIS IS A BAD STATEMENT" options we have
Like I said from the beginning, 6s seems more like a DM server now. Hell it'd probably be easier to cast a DM server over this.
Sure there is thought involved, but not as much as the old style that I loved to watch. Every LAN I've learned so much about this game, but I haven't gotten anything out of this LAN.
Like I said from the beginning, 6s seems more like a DM server now. Hell it'd probably be easier to cast a DM server over this.
Sure there is thought involved, but not as much as the old style that I loved to watch. Every LAN I've learned so much about this game, but I haven't gotten anything out of this LAN.
ClandestinePzBefore: The new quickfix makes the game really interesting and exciting, it should be made the new meta and we'll savage anyone who dares to disagree.
After game 1: The new quickfix makes the game really stale and boring, it should be banned and we'll savage anyone who dares to disagree.
I don't really understand how the community's opinion can sway so easily.
Hindsight bias and the utilization of the QF by the top teams.
[quote=ClandestinePz]Before: The new quickfix makes the game really interesting and exciting, it should be made the new meta and we'll savage anyone who dares to disagree.
After game 1: The new quickfix makes the game really stale and boring, it should be banned and we'll savage anyone who dares to disagree.
I don't really understand how the community's opinion can sway so easily.[/quote]
Hindsight bias and the utilization of the QF by the top teams.
QuartzClandestinePzBefore: The new quickfix makes the game really interesting and exciting, it should be made the new meta and we'll savage anyone who dares to disagree.
After game 1: The new quickfix makes the game really stale and boring, it should be banned and we'll savage anyone who dares to disagree.
I don't really understand how the community's opinion can sway so easily.
Seeing top teams use it effectively it's the answer for your question
THEY DIDN'T THOUGH.
They wasted the aggressive potential.
[quote=Quartz][quote=ClandestinePz]Before: The new quickfix makes the game really interesting and exciting, it should be made the new meta and we'll savage anyone who dares to disagree.
After game 1: The new quickfix makes the game really stale and boring, it should be banned and we'll savage anyone who dares to disagree.
I don't really understand how the community's opinion can sway so easily.[/quote]
Seeing top teams use it effectively it's the answer for your question[/quote]
THEY DIDN'T THOUGH.
They wasted the aggressive potential.
The quickfix should have just been banned the moment it's been buffed since it was during the season
The quickfix should have just been banned the moment it's been buffed since it was during the season
THEY DIDN'T THOUGH.
They wasted the aggressive potential.
What? Are you talking about the aggressive potential of suiciding your medic in against a heavy? Nobody is going to do that, thus people will try to play off picks, again, and fail against pushing against heavy, re-try again... the cycle continues.
[quote]
THEY DIDN'T THOUGH.
They wasted the aggressive potential.[/quote]
What? Are you talking about the aggressive potential of suiciding your medic in against a heavy? Nobody is going to do that, thus people will try to play off picks, again, and fail against pushing against heavy, re-try again... the cycle continues.
"guys 3 games werent fun to watch for a weapon we just started using its obviously broken and we should never use it again"
also whens the last time a metalworks/gully game didnt get stalematey?
regardless i dont see the point in bother bringing up this thread until after the season is over and everybody (such as the invite people at lan who are using it) have really sat down and discussed it
as far as playing literally every game ive ran it its been more fun and interesting than running uber, so if were balancing around how much more fun it is to play vs watch thats kind of a silly thing to do
"guys 3 games werent fun to watch for a weapon we just started using its obviously broken and we should never use it again"
also whens the last time a metalworks/gully game didnt get stalematey?
regardless i dont see the point in bother bringing up this thread until after the season is over and everybody (such as the invite people at lan who are using it) have really sat down and discussed it
as far as playing literally every game ive ran it its been more fun and interesting than running uber, so if were balancing around how much more fun it is to play vs watch thats kind of a silly thing to do
I just watched a heavy in yard attempt to track a medic and soldier flying through the air together at winner's finals of the esea lan
all is lost
I just watched a heavy in yard attempt to track a medic and soldier flying through the air together at winner's finals of the esea lan
all is lost
Watching the coverage today has just been awkward and disappointing. Something needs to be done that's for sure. But I'm not going to hop on any bandwagon just yet.
Watching the coverage today has just been awkward and disappointing. Something needs to be done that's for sure. But I'm not going to hop on any bandwagon just yet.
Why not just remove the quick fix effect on the medic when deployed?
Medic will be vulnerable, but that is how it should be! Damnit!
Jumping a quick fix combo onto the enemy team should have some downside...like this medic shouldn't be allowed to get on top of my head without taking reasonable damage. He should be punished for flying in my fucking face not rewarded.
Why not just remove the quick fix effect on the medic when deployed?
Medic will be vulnerable, but that is how it should be! Damnit!
Jumping a quick fix combo onto the enemy team should have some downside...like this medic shouldn't be allowed to get on top of my head without taking reasonable damage. He should be punished for flying in my fucking face not rewarded.
malso whens the last time a metalworks/gully game didnt get stalematey?
I'm sorry mason but this is getting stalematey to the point where I'm getting flashbacks to the two heavy last defenses on coldfront and old gullywash.
[quote=m]also whens the last time a metalworks/gully game didnt get stalematey?[/quote]
I'm sorry mason but this is getting stalematey to the point where I'm getting flashbacks to the two heavy last defenses on coldfront and old gullywash.
ya... wasn't quick fix supposed to make the game more interesting? This is the worst Stalemating I have seen since classic Granary. :|
ya... wasn't quick fix supposed to make the game more interesting? This is the worst Stalemating I have seen since classic Granary. :|
FrioThe quickfix should have just been banned the moment it's been buffed since it was during the season
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/309/624/14e.jpg
[quote=Frio]The quickfix should have just been banned the moment it's been buffed since it was during the season[/quote]
[img]http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/309/624/14e.jpg[/img]
HRG was right about it being banned for the rest of this season.
This is fucking stupid
HRG was right about it being banned for the rest of this season.
This is fucking stupid
thank god for i49, lord and saviour of tf2 as we know it
thank god for i49, lord and saviour of tf2 as we know it
0:0 GULLY WASH FIRST HALF...
gg qf, gg heavy.
0:0 GULLY WASH FIRST HALF...
gg qf, gg heavy.
THANK YOU QUICKFIX FOR THAT BEAUTIFUL 0-0 HALF!
THANK YOU QUICKFIX FOR THAT BEAUTIFUL 0-0 HALF!
Watching this is literally torture
Watching this is literally torture
I was on the pro-QF side when defy made the old thread.
Now I'm shying away.
Sure, some teams can do cool stuff with it - Mixup has demostrated that it's useful. But if it's going to encourage fulltime heavies for everyone else and not pushing any advantages because you know they have an uber that requires zero skill to build effectively, are we really going to say that it doesn't slow down the game and leave it unbanned?
I was on the pro-QF side when defy made the old thread.
Now I'm shying away.
Sure, some teams can do cool stuff with it - Mixup has demostrated that it's useful. But if it's going to encourage fulltime heavies for everyone else and not pushing any advantages because you know they have an uber that requires zero skill to build effectively, are we really going to say that it doesn't slow down the game and leave it unbanned?
People thought this was the best start up season since we have a main division and a eu league on esea. But with the new people watching they will think this game is so slow due to the quick fix and having full time heavies and snipers
People thought this was the best start up season since we have a main division and a eu league on esea. But with the new people watching they will think this game is so slow due to the quick fix and having full time heavies and snipers
i really really hope they decide to not use quickfix in the final, because there will probably be some people watching for the first time...
i really really hope they decide to not use quickfix in the final, because there will probably be some people watching for the first time...
Lets run qf guys there will be no stalemates and the game will be fun to watch.
Same stalemates
+heavy
"the team that pushes less will probably win" -bl4nk
"since there is no advantage to push on you are going to see more stalemates" -MRSLIN
FanofAngels :3: time to start playing in dm servers more to practice for my matches
peyotesacomin: qf is awesome
peyotesacomin: JK
FanofAngels :3: man
FanofAngels :3: fuck this
FanofAngels :3: im watching csgo
Lets run qf guys there will be no stalemates and the game will be fun to watch.
Same stalemates
+heavy
"the team that pushes less will probably win" -bl4nk
"since there is no advantage to push on you are going to see more stalemates" -MRSLIN
FanofAngels :3: time to start playing in dm servers more to practice for my matches
peyotesacomin: qf is awesome
peyotesacomin: JK
FanofAngels :3: man
FanofAngels :3: fuck this
FanofAngels :3: im watching csgo
6:03 PM - mocha | teamfortress.tv: tf2 is dead
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also enigma pulling out fuckin black holes yo
6:03 PM - mocha | teamfortress.tv: tf2 is dead
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also enigma pulling out fuckin black holes yo
So disappoint...
"because of how much easier it makes medic" Haha, NO.
So disappoint...
"because of how much easier it makes medic" Haha, NO.