Are these pre-built, because it's probably better to just build one yourself to save money.

At the price they seem pre-built.

At that same price you can build a PC with a good i-7, and decent video card + SSD.

Build it yourself.

The one with the i5 4670k easy

'Intel i5-4670K 3.4GHz, 6Mb & nVidia GeForce GTX 760, 2Gb GDDR5 costing 1099

Hello and they indeed are prebuilt computers!
And I havent considered about streming I'm tempted now that it has been brought up but probably wont.
I could and probably should build a computer but my computer building skills are lacking. Lacking as in I'm vaguely aware that there is somekind of technology, that is beyond me, inside my computer.
So building a computer is a bit hard to manage since I'm getting a bit inpatient with my current computer and I'm afraid I would just beef it anyway.
But it isn't out of the question of course (I would just rather not)

If you have youtube and know how to build legos, you can build a PC. Rule of thumb, if it fits, it's probably in the right place.

i7 is a bit more future proof. Future games are likely to start effectively utilizing more than 4 threads; this will be a big bonus to i7 users in the long run.

Definitely i7. If you can afford 100$ just do it, it will be worth it later when you have to upgrade components.

How much would I be able to save money if I would build a computer by myself? and how would I go on about doing it? I heard pcpartpicker is the way to go but I'm still having hard time picking all the parts beside graphics card and the cpu (I have no idea what I'm doing).

I don't know much about the finnish prices, but with all the items i've checked they were very similar to the german prices so this might not be 100% accurate.

You could build the two computers you were considering for about 700

Hello and Thank you for your reply Setsul!
Considering the given facts I'm most likely, against the stream in this thread, going to buy the prebuilt computer because I'm an idiot who doesn't know whats good for himself.
I'm just too lazy I just don't have the time to put into learning how to build computers and building one. So I really appreciate the thought of finding the right parts for me but I'll have to pass on that.
The shop I'm buying my computer is pretty legit so I doubt they are going to cheap out on their hardware. I appreciate the thought of finding the right parts for me but I'll have to pass on that

Thank you for all the replies so far!

E: other Specs of the computer(s)
Silverstone 500W
Harddrive: 1Tt, 3.5", Sata3
Memory: Kingston HyperX 2x4Gt, DDR3 1600MHz, CL9
motherboard: Intel Z87
cooler: Thermalright True Spirit 120 M BW

/q MInd on irc (quakenet), I can help with parts, stores etc.

Most people in forums like this are going to tell you to build your own computer to save money. What they are leaving out is the fact that buying a pre-built PC will usually come with some type of warranty. Yes, it's more expensive, but if a part dies in your personally-built PC, you will be down until you can replace that part, and RMAs frequently involve shipping parts to Taiwan and other countries.

If you want to buy a pre-built PC, there's nothing wrong with it, but make sure the warranty is decent before you pull the trigger. If they offer immediate replacements for failing parts, it will save you a huge amount of hassle if something dies during the warranty period.

The finnish laws make the retailer obligated to change broken stuff to new one or return your money if the damage is covered by the warranty. If you go to the store, they have to give a new one right away or if handled by mail, send a new one when they receive the broken item. The customer protection laws are very strict here.

Both of those computers can run tf2 at above 200fps, the more expensive one will last longer and retain its quality in the future.

there are tons of videos on the internet on how to build a computer. The most challenging part is (for me atleast) plugging everything into the psu. i would definitely recommend spending time to make sure all your wires are nice and tucked in for better air circulation and easy access in the future if you want to add a hard drive or something.
I really like this guide. http://www.techspot.com/guides/buying/
doesnt show you how to build it but it does show you what parts to buy in this day and age at different price ranges.
at 1388 american dollars for the core system the guide suggest you include a SSD in your build.
I would definitely get an SSD if i was spending as much as you were planning to spend on those 2 systems. (google currency conversion tells me it is around 13-15 hundred dollars.) well tbh i dont even know how much parts cost in Europe but i'm assuming its not so different from here

If you don't insist on the maximum performance i'd go for the cheaper one, assuming you don't want to overclock. The K CPU wouldn't really be worth it if you don't plan on overclocking. You could still buy the more expensive one because the CPU is even on stock clocks slightly better and the GPU is better, but you really don't have to.