I saw the smoke from the wtc all the way from nj. I was on my way to school with my mother. She had an appointment with my school. If she didnt have that appointment, she wouldve been there that day.
KoeitjeTwinqeAl-Qaeda (and other Jihadist groups) is always at war against the enemies of Islam. Just because the United States didn't recognize this until after 9/11 it does not make it any less of a war prior to 9/11.KoeitjeAll I say is that a nation that had no qualms about wiping two cities off the face of the earth shouldn't be so strung up about losing close to 3000 civilians during a time of war.
The U.S. was not considered at war when 9/11 occurred.
lol. of course it was less of a war prior to 9/11 and prior to the US declaring war. they were attacked during peace time and your argument is trash.
it doesn't matter if Al-Qaeda considered it a war because were talking about how the US feels about being attacked so it only matters if the US thought they were at war, which they didn't.
The U.S. was not considered at war when 9/11 occurred.[/quote]
Al-Qaeda (and other Jihadist groups) is always at war against the enemies of Islam. Just because the United States didn't recognize this until after 9/11 it does not make it any less of a war prior to 9/11.[/quote]
lol. of course it was less of a war prior to 9/11 and prior to the US declaring war. they were attacked during peace time and your argument is trash.
it doesn't matter if Al-Qaeda considered it a war because were talking about how the US feels about being attacked so it only matters if the US thought they were at war, which they didn't.
wonderlandKoeitjeTwinqeAl-Qaeda (and other Jihadist groups) is always at war against the enemies of Islam. Just because the United States didn't recognize this until after 9/11 it does not make it any less of a war prior to 9/11.KoeitjeAll I say is that a nation that had no qualms about wiping two cities off the face of the earth shouldn't be so strung up about losing close to 3000 civilians during a time of war.
The U.S. was not considered at war when 9/11 occurred.
lol. of course it was less of a war prior to 9/11 and prior to the US declaring war. they were attacked during peace time and your argument is trash.
it doesn't matter if Al-Qaeda considered it a war because were talking about how the US feels about being attacked so it only matters if the US thought they were at war, which they didn't.
I guess you forgot about the 1998 US embassy bombings? (and the US response where they made short work of some nice civilian targets)
The U.S. was not considered at war when 9/11 occurred.[/quote]
Al-Qaeda (and other Jihadist groups) is always at war against the enemies of Islam. Just because the United States didn't recognize this until after 9/11 it does not make it any less of a war prior to 9/11.[/quote]
lol. of course it was less of a war prior to 9/11 and prior to the US declaring war. they were attacked during peace time and your argument is trash.
it doesn't matter if Al-Qaeda considered it a war because were talking about how the US feels about being attacked so it only matters if the US thought they were at war, which they didn't.[/quote]
I guess you forgot about the 1998 US embassy bombings? (and the US response where they made short work of some nice civilian targets)
pretty sure japan (geographically) was untouched by ww2 at the time of the bombings. the fact that japan had troops in china/the pacific doesn't change anything for the civilians in the cities.
I remember I was in 4th grade. It was really weird because no one knew what was going on except for people in the school office. The phone in class kept ringing and slowly kids drifted out when they were picked up by parents. I remember that my friend's mother picked my friend and I up from school maybe 25 minutes before school ended and we had no idea what was going on - we just wanted to go and play OoT. My mom was waiting for me at my friends house and took me home and news networks were blasting throughout my apartment building. I had no idea what was going on. My neighbor's kid was in the same boat - we just wanted to play N64 after school.
I remember a month later, there was a big parade down the main shopping block for the local fire department. My mother's friend's husband was a firefighter who spent months down at Ground Zero, and I started to understand what exactly happened and why people were getting all antsy about it. I remember I got to wear his helmet and whenever he came back from GZ, we got to play Goldeneye on his N64. I remember him being at G-Zero all the time was one of the major pressures in his relationship to my mom's friend, and they got divorced as the last catalog-able remains were collected. Sometimes I wonder if there was any research done by sociologists to trace the after-effects of the event on family unit relationships.
Man, everyone had a N64 back then.
Yo Koeitje buddy, at least June thinks when he goes into debate kid mode. Try not hamfisting your responses and untwist your panties because it's clear you're not in this to make a legitimate point.
I remember a month later, there was a big parade down the main shopping block for the local fire department. My mother's friend's husband was a firefighter who spent months down at Ground Zero, and I started to understand what exactly happened and why people were getting all antsy about it. I remember I got to wear his helmet and whenever he came back from GZ, we got to play Goldeneye on his N64. I remember him being at G-Zero all the time was one of the major pressures in his relationship to my mom's friend, and they got divorced as the last catalog-able remains were collected. Sometimes I wonder if there was any research done by sociologists to trace the after-effects of the event on family unit relationships.
Man, everyone had a N64 back then.
Yo Koeitje buddy, at least June thinks when he goes into debate kid mode. Try not hamfisting your responses and untwist your panties because it's clear you're not in this to make a legitimate point.
Hallowpretty sure japan (geographically) was untouched by ww2 at the time of the bombings. the fact that japan had troops in china/the pacific doesn't change anything for the civilians in the cities.
Nuking military targets wouldn't have had enough of an impact. I guess Al-Qaeda went by the same logic.
Nuking military targets wouldn't have had enough of an impact. I guess Al-Qaeda went by the same logic.
KoeitjeHallowpretty sure japan (geographically) was untouched by ww2 at the time of the bombings. the fact that japan had troops in china/the pacific doesn't change anything for the civilians in the cities.Nuking military targets wouldn't have had enough of an impact. I guess Al-Qaeda went by the same logic.
read in a news article a long time ago that they avoided military and nuclear targets because they didn't want things to get out of hand
the hijackers flying the planes were actually left up to the choice of what they wanted to attack
Nuking military targets wouldn't have had enough of an impact. I guess Al-Qaeda went by the same logic.[/quote]
read in a news article a long time ago that they avoided military and nuclear targets because they didn't want things to get out of hand
the hijackers flying the planes were actually left up to the choice of what they wanted to attack
mthsadKoeitjeread in a news article a long time ago that they avoided military and nuclear targets because they didn't want things to get out of handHallowpretty sure japan (geographically) was untouched by ww2 at the time of the bombings. the fact that japan had troops in china/the pacific doesn't change anything for the civilians in the cities.Nuking military targets wouldn't have had enough of an impact. I guess Al-Qaeda went by the same logic.
the hijackers flying the planes were actually left up to the choice of what they wanted to attack
Avoiding nuclear targets I understand, but military? They already bombed several US military targets prior to 9/11?
Nuking military targets wouldn't have had enough of an impact. I guess Al-Qaeda went by the same logic.[/quote]
read in a news article a long time ago that they avoided military and nuclear targets because they didn't want things to get out of hand
the hijackers flying the planes were actually left up to the choice of what they wanted to attack[/quote]
Avoiding nuclear targets I understand, but military? They already bombed several US military targets prior to 9/11?
KoeitjemthsadAvoiding nuclear targets I understand, but military? They already bombed several US military targets prior to 9/11?Koeitjeread in a news article a long time ago that they avoided military and nuclear targets because they didn't want things to get out of handHallowpretty sure japan (geographically) was untouched by ww2 at the time of the bombings. the fact that japan had troops in china/the pacific doesn't change anything for the civilians in the cities.Nuking military targets wouldn't have had enough of an impact. I guess Al-Qaeda went by the same logic.
the hijackers flying the planes were actually left up to the choice of what they wanted to attack
no idea, just citing something i read a while ago. i'd have to dig up the article to confirm that.
Nuking military targets wouldn't have had enough of an impact. I guess Al-Qaeda went by the same logic.[/quote]
read in a news article a long time ago that they avoided military and nuclear targets because they didn't want things to get out of hand
the hijackers flying the planes were actually left up to the choice of what they wanted to attack[/quote]
Avoiding nuclear targets I understand, but military? They already bombed several US military targets prior to 9/11?[/quote]
no idea, just citing something i read a while ago. i'd have to dig up the article to confirm that.
KoeitjeTwinqeAl-Qaeda (and other Jihadist groups) is always at war against the enemies of Islam. Just because the United States didn't recognize this until after 9/11 it does not make it any less of a war prior to 9/11.KoeitjeAll I say is that a nation that had no qualms about wiping two cities off the face of the earth shouldn't be so strung up about losing close to 3000 civilians during a time of war.
The U.S. was not considered at war when 9/11 occurred.
By this logic we will always and have always been at war, so if being at war is a constant, then why bring it up as a point?
The U.S. was not considered at war when 9/11 occurred.[/quote]
Al-Qaeda (and other Jihadist groups) is always at war against the enemies of Islam. Just because the United States didn't recognize this until after 9/11 it does not make it any less of a war prior to 9/11.[/quote]
By this logic we will always and have always been at war, so if being at war is a constant, then why bring it up as a point?
Y'all should end your petty arguments and be thankful for all of what ya got. And that by some chance you ended up in your life and not that of someone's who was lost or had lost a loved one to the events. You sure as hell wouldn't feel the way you do if you were in the position of Fzero or the thousands of others with similar experiences.
I was just a child in school when it happened. I don't remember much after hearing the principle speak over the intercom speakers or whatever. Everyone remembers where they were and the first image they saw.
My condolences to y'all, thanks for sharing.
I was just a child in school when it happened. I don't remember much after hearing the principle speak over the intercom speakers or whatever. Everyone remembers where they were and the first image they saw.
My condolences to y'all, thanks for sharing.
KoeitjeAll I say is that a nation that had no qualms about wiping two cities off the face of the earth shouldn't be so strung up about losing close to 3000 civilians during a time of war.
Are you for real
Are you for real
tsKoeitjeTwinqeAl-Qaeda (and other Jihadist groups) is always at war against the enemies of Islam. Just because the United States didn't recognize this until after 9/11 it does not make it any less of a war prior to 9/11.KoeitjeAll I say is that a nation that had no qualms about wiping two cities off the face of the earth shouldn't be so strung up about losing close to 3000 civilians during a time of war.
The U.S. was not considered at war when 9/11 occurred.
By this logic we will always and have always been at war, so if being at war is a constant, then why bring it up as a point?
Yes, we (infidels) are always at war with Jihadists. That, however, does not mean that we are also at war with everybody else. I know this distinction might be hard to comprehend.
The U.S. was not considered at war when 9/11 occurred.[/quote]
Al-Qaeda (and other Jihadist groups) is always at war against the enemies of Islam. Just because the United States didn't recognize this until after 9/11 it does not make it any less of a war prior to 9/11.[/quote]
By this logic we will always and have always been at war, so if being at war is a constant, then why bring it up as a point?[/quote]
Yes, we (infidels) are always at war with Jihadists. That, however, does not mean that we are also at war with everybody else. I know this distinction might be hard to comprehend.
KoeitjekuzaB.KoeitjeA. That was in Japan. I understand that deploying weapons of mass destruction on civilians is not something to be proud of, but still.
B. Not here on the forums.
That was just one of the many search results. There were many candle light vigils in the US for this. SO again, do some research before you make an argument because you just look more stupid every time you post.
The OP lost someone in the towers, so it's relevant. Maybe if someone here was directly affected by pearly harbor we'd see a thread for that too...
A. That was in Japan. I understand that deploying weapons of mass destruction on civilians is not something to be proud of, but still.
B. Not here on the forums.[/quote]
That was just one of the many search results. There were many candle light vigils in the US for this. SO again, do some research before you make an argument because you just look more stupid every time you post.[/quote]
B.[/quote]
The OP lost someone in the towers, so it's relevant. Maybe if someone here was directly affected by pearly harbor we'd see a thread for that too...
I think people are misinterpreting this day, at least to me it's not only about those innocent people who lost their lives in the twin towers that day but, also to remember and respect all the innocent people affected by that day, whether it be American families who lost their loved ones or the many middle eastern civilians that ended up losing their lives over an illegal war. My point is that people need to be able to to tell the difference between the politicians and governments running a country (who in my opinion are all crooked fucks in every country), and the real decent people who inhabit a country who are just trying to live. I for one was born in Iran and immigrated to Canada when I was 7 years old, and I have plenty of family and loved ones still in Iran. This sudden war with syria and whatnot brought alot more tension to the USA-Iran relations (if there even was any) which may eventually spell out bad news. I've seen both sides of the world and I can honestly say disregarding some cultural differences, we are not much different from each other. We are all just people and the "appointed heads" representing us are not always speaking for the whole population. Tragedies shouldn't be a means of pointing guilt without proper evidence, even then it shouldn't be towards the people in a country, but to the ones actually making influential decisions for the country and those who are responsible for said tragedies.
My respect and best wishes go out to anyone who lost a loved one during/after 9/11.
My respect and best wishes go out to anyone who lost a loved one during/after 9/11.
I was too young for the event to hold any significance when it happened, but every year I look back and regret the loss of about 3,000 people who did nothing to anybody, people that were just living their lives. I just have this extreme empathy for the victims and their loved ones, knowing how easily it could have been any of us. I know the value of just one person, and it's enormous. Tragedy is a good word for it.
And I hear about the firefighters and other personnel that went into the burning, crashing building to get people out, and I respect them so much. The American and allied soldiers that went to war, believing they were saving the world from more attacks like this. Risking their lives in the hope of protecting ours. I respect them too.
I feel sorry for whoever's mind was so fucked up that they thought this was a good idea.
And I hear about the firefighters and other personnel that went into the burning, crashing building to get people out, and I respect them so much. The American and allied soldiers that went to war, believing they were saving the world from more attacks like this. Risking their lives in the hope of protecting ours. I respect them too.
I feel sorry for whoever's mind was so fucked up that they thought this was a good idea.
MewtwoI have several mental disorders
Can I formally request the banning of this 8 years old?
Can I formally request the banning of this 8 years old?
alfunksoMewtwoI have several mental disordersCan I formally request the banning of this 8 years old?
Ban cause opinion
Can I formally request the banning of this 8 years old?[/quote]
Ban cause opinion
I celebrated my brother's 21st birthday with him while watching the 2nd plane hit. It wasn't the most festive occasion.
To Mewtwo: Do you not think that the people who were part of/lost a family member or good friend to 9/11 think about it every day? They think about it every day of their lives, it haunts them, and kills them on the inside every day that they think about it.
9/11 as a day is to make these people that had to suffer through the tragedy that was 9/11 feel better about themselves, it's the whole point. People that weren't directly affected by it don't think about it every day, but once a year everyone thinks about the people that were affected, and that makes those people feel better about themselves and others, knowing that this country and it's people really do care about these events.
Our modern lives fill us with things to do, places to go, jobs to work. We can't simply mourn the dead 24/7, nobody can, and if we did we would be so fucking depressed, that nobody would get anything done.
9/11 as a day is to make these people that had to suffer through the tragedy that was 9/11 feel better about themselves, it's the whole point. People that weren't directly affected by it don't think about it every day, but once a year everyone thinks about the people that were affected, and that makes those people feel better about themselves and others, knowing that this country and it's people really do care about these events.
Our modern lives fill us with things to do, places to go, jobs to work. We can't simply mourn the dead 24/7, nobody can, and if we did we would be so fucking depressed, that nobody would get anything done.
Went into my Electronics class like 2nd period and the jokester teacher told us a plane hit the WTC. We all laughed. Then he just turned on the radio and we sat there in silence for 90 minutes. Oh and P.S. this thread gave me cancer.
wafflebI really don't care, what with the thousands of innocents the american military has killed recently. If it were truly an eye for an eye, there would be a lot more collapsed buildings around the USA. (which obviously shouldn't be done, mind)
this is a brilliant argument, and it should be taken all the way to the supreme court !
/thisthreadisaids
please stop
lock, the end
this is a brilliant argument, and it should be taken all the way to the supreme court !
/thisthreadisaids
please stop
lock, the end