honestly not sure if sarcasm
but i trust you

you dont got a blackberry you dont got shit

When I was trying to install aftermarket firmware on my phone, there was a problem with my specific phone model and I was completely alone in trying to fix it. And nobody develops anything with my phone in mind, so I had to find a way to un-fuck my phone by myself. With the iPhone, you have thousands of developers developing with the same few phones in mind, even if they do release one a year. Unless you have some of the most popular Android phones, you don't have that luxury.

And most music players for Android are pretty awful.

EDIT: Also phone cases. One of the reasons I'm interested in getting an iPhone is LifeProof cases. It's hard to find a really durable waterproof case like that for any given Android phone. LifeProof only makes one for the Galaxy S3/4. Though a Droid Maxx paired with an Otterbox case might just be the way to go.

from a technical perspective it's pretty baffling that Apple is marketing their new phone as the first 64-bit phone ever whilst having only 1gb of ram

if you're curious about what this means it just means that the actual 64-bit architecture is a bit pointless cause it doesn't have the RAM that's typically paired with 64-bit systems, if anything the 64-bit architecture is likely to be all-around more resource intensive than the 32-bit one

I found that Poweramp is the only good one

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human interface guidelines

He is correct to some degree, ever since the iPod/iPhone came out, that's all they have essentially been doing until recently, adding one new built in app e.g. FaceTime - (Which had been around for a few years beforehand), little bit of a performance boost and branding it a complete new model without a number of major improvements so all the idiots flock and spend.

But that iOS7 interface does look sweet.

64-bit architecture has a lot of other benefits than just allowing a device to have more than 4GB of RAM. The M7 has features specific to itself as well, considering it can calculate motion and sensor data without actually waking the processor up. That kind of processing would drastically reduce screen off time, theoretically speaking of course. Most important than all of this of course is the potential market shift back to co-processors. Should be pretty interesting.

Also, do you have any sourcing to suggest that 64 bit architecture runs slower is more resource intensive than 32 bit architecture? I haven't come across this in any of my classes. In fact, much of what I know suggests otherwise.

64 bit doesn't just mean more memory addresses. It means 64 bit instructions, which means large integer and high precision math will be faster and use less cycles (relevant to encryption, graphics calculations, etc), along with the new registers which lead to less hits to memory for computation intensive code.

yep, it's what we call the many pages of UX design documentation Apple, Google, and Microsoft all write for their mobile operating systems.

I really liked there products... Well Steve Jobs would have fired all of the guys that were working on the 5s... Really? Plastic? After Steve Jobs Apple is going down.

Typically in a 64-bit architecture the same data will occupy more space in memory (due to larger address pointers) than it would in a 32-bit architecture, which can potentially be a problem when you're limited by 1 GB of RAM.

When I heard there was a "cheap iphone" coming I thought this one's for me (the regular ones are way too eXpensive for a phone, for me). But then I found out today it's only 100 euros cheaper than the new 5S version, and still way too eXpensive. What phone to buy then, damnit!?
I'm still using an old school prepaid sony phone of almost 10 years old.

I don't see how that is a problem at all. The amount of extra data that memory pointers use is negligable compared to the benefits of 64 bit processing over 32 bit.

There is a misconception that 64bit systems use twice the memory as 32 bit, which is a little silly.

born and raised on mac and ive had an iphone since it came out. get android if you really care about your phone though, much more bang for your buck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPqk_eKwVLY

What? Apple caters to businesses and corporation as much if not more than any other phone producer. most android phones don't have the backing in terms of marketing and production that apple can bring to the table. Just an example that comes off the top of my head is.

Pepsico, a lot of their distribution(and a lot of their marketing and manufacturing departments) DSL's got Ipads with work since apple literally made an APP specifically for the distribution and computer system that pepsico employs, and well if 90% of your work is based upon An I pad it's logical you'd get a phone as closely compatiable with your ipad as possible. And since the company offers phone plans to their DSL's(and pays halfway since small format DSL's in metropolitan areas spend 20+ hours a week on phone calls with customers or corporate etc etc) They of course get cheaper deals on iphones through AT&T.

Apple approaches pretty much every fortune 500 company with similar plans/options, and sure samsung/android can attempt it, but it's hard to beat apple's offers since they manufacture out of china, for jack shit, and the Kaesong plant has been down for months now which has been hurting samsung as well(though it's set to reopen soon). Teenagers might be a nice market for them, but large corporations are the bread and butter, especially if you package in mac's and ipads. Hell UBS(where i worked/work) was literally handing out Mac Towers from like 2010 that at release were sold for like 2,000+ dollars because they decided to upgrade all their computers(i can't even begin to fathom how much they fucking spent on 250-300 new towers+ipads and integrating their investment data/software into a new computer system)

EDIT: if you want talk to horse about it, he's an intern over there now and i *think* he worked on the Iphone 5(not sure since he wouldn't release details but said his project would be announced early september..)

the Motorola attrix was the first to have the fingerprint sensor, and that came out in 2011. apple didn't pioneer shit

Best bang for buck is the Nokia 520.

yeah gotta disagree with you there. all of corporate america is moving on from blackberries onto iphones. i think even the government has made the switch.

they may be popular with the high school girls, but they get a lot of revenue from the higher end market. the people that don't care about functionality as much as you or I may, they like form and style, that's why they buy louis vuitton and hermes stuff.

anyway, i don't think it's worth the upgrade, it was underwhelming in my opinion. i have the iphone 5, so if i gazelle it I will get around 320, which is how much it would cost me to get an iphone 5s, which i'm considering because why not. i am going to get the ipad mini though, hope they give it a nice upgrade next month

also been using ios 7 for the last month or two, it's really nice and pretty. a much needed upgraded from the previous style, but not really adding that much, it's mainly visual

Android is buggy as hell on my nexus phone. It crashes quite regularly. The only reason I don't use the iPhone is cause of the cost of the plans.

If the people who don't prefer iPhones do so because they prefer style/form, then why would businesses and the government be using them? You would think that price/performance would be the goal there. Also, I know that the U.S. government at least still uses Blackberries.
I'm in the same group as Luke, I feel that if I buy the next $700 phone, I'll feel compelled to buy one every few generations because of how much I'd become reliant on it, and end up effectively paying $250 a year on top of service to keep up with tech.

I said people who prefer iPhones may do so because they prefer it's style.

Price is not too much of a concern for larger businesses and governments, especially when the differences between the top models is not much, but I never said the iPhones have shit performance or anything, they are still really good phones. It's just a lot of people here tend to prefer the customizing and high specs of androids, which doesn't necessarily transfer to better performance.

And yeah, the government used to have an exclusive contract with Blackberry, but they dropped that. I like the latest gadgets and stuff, so I don't mind upgrading every year. Luckily, I don't have to pay the full 700+ bucks each time.

7 year old Nokia N2310. Can text and call just fine, and it has MOTHERFUCKING BOUNCE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpH4hrV38J0