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ESEA Client
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#1
5 Frags +

Hey,

as a first time user of the ESEA Client (EU), I was hoping someone would be kind enough to answer a few questions.

  • Where can I find some kind of Privacy Disclaimer or something like it. I want to know which kind of data is leaving my Computer.
  • Things banned that are fine on ETF2L? (PREC comes to mind)
  • Is there some kind of tricky first time setup or anything?
  • any other pitfalls?

-slate

EDIT: what i only just realised, which might be interesting for the EU folks, You will automatically be billed again for Premium every X months (depending on your billing cycle) unless you cancel your subscription(!)

FAQ entry about it

EDIT2: adding to edit1: You will also be billed regularyly for frieds whom you bought premium.

Hey,

as a first time user of the ESEA Client (EU), I was hoping someone would be kind enough to answer a few questions.

[list]
[*] Where can I find some kind of Privacy Disclaimer or something like it. I want to know which kind of data is leaving my Computer.
[*] Things banned that are fine on ETF2L? (PREC comes to mind)
[*] Is there some kind of tricky first time setup or anything?
[*] any other pitfalls?
[/list]

-slate

EDIT: what i only just realised, which might be interesting for the EU folks, You will automatically be billed again for Premium every X months (depending on your billing cycle) unless you cancel your subscription(!)

[url=http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=support&d=faq&id=186]FAQ entry about it[/url]

EDIT2: adding to edit1: You will also be billed regularyly for frieds whom you bought premium.
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#2
6 Frags +

This is their privacy policy for their website (not really for the client):
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=content&d=privacy_policy

P-rec isn't banned per se but the client will force you to unload all plugins before joining an ESEA server. The client will however automatically record POV demos for you.

The client is easy to use, just install, change the filters to tf2 league servers, find your match server and launch the game from the client.

If you do have any issues with the client you can do a full reinstall (including removing registry entries) and a clean install.

The client is reliant on being up to date with the game binaries, and can cause delays if not updated for the latest version of the game.

This is their privacy policy for their website (not really for the client):
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=content&d=privacy_policy


P-rec isn't banned per se but the client will force you to unload all plugins before joining an ESEA server. The client will however automatically record POV demos for you.

The client is easy to use, just install, change the filters to tf2 league servers, find your match server and launch the game from the client.

If you do have any issues with the client you can do a full reinstall (including removing registry entries) and a clean install.

The client is reliant on being up to date with the game binaries, and can cause delays if not updated for the latest version of the game.
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#3
1 Frags +

cheers Fog!

surely some kind of EULA must exist, given that privacy invasion of an AC Client should be quite heavy.

Well, I thought there would be something I could read before installing.

cheers Fog!

surely some kind of EULA must exist, given that privacy invasion of an AC Client should be quite heavy.

Well, I thought there would be something I could read before installing.
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#4
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slatecheers Fog!

surely some kind of EULA must exist, given that privacy invasion of an AC Client should be quite heavy.

Well, I thought there would be something I could read before installing.

I installed it yesterday and there were terms that I had to agree to before installing, just like any other piece of software.

[quote=slate]cheers Fog!

surely some kind of EULA must exist, given that privacy invasion of an AC Client should be quite heavy.

Well, I thought there would be something I could read before installing.[/quote]
I installed it yesterday and there were terms that I had to agree to before installing, just like any other piece of software.
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#5
2 Frags +
frknI installed it yesterday and there were terms that I had to agree to before installing, just like any other piece of software.

hmm just clicked through it till next step would have been "install" - nothing.

[quote=frkn]I installed it yesterday and there were terms that I had to agree to before installing, just like any other piece of software.[/quote]

hmm just clicked through it till next step would have been "install" - nothing.
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#6
2 Frags +
slatecheers Fog!

surely some kind of EULA must exist, given that privacy invasion of an AC Client should be quite heavy.

Well, I thought there would be something I could read before installing.

the EULA in full

E-SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT (ESEA) CLIENT SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT

PLEASE READ CAREFULLY

The terms of this Software License Agreement (this "Agreement") shall apply to all versions, editions, and future updates of ESEA CLIENT software and constitute a legal agreement between you (the "Licensee") and E-SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT, LLC. (the "Licensor").

BY INSTALLING, ENABLING OR USING ESEA CLIENT SOFTWARE, THE LICENSEE IS CONSENTING TO BE BOUND BY AND IS BECOMING A PARTY TO THIS AGREEMENT. IF LICENSEE DOES NOT AGREE TO ALL OF THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, ACCEPTANCE MUST NOT BE SPECIFIED BELOW AND LICENSEE MUST NOT INSTALL OR USE THE SOFTWARE.

E-SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT, LLC. RESERVES ALL RIGHTS NOT SPECIFICALLY GRANTED HEREIN.

Licensor grants Licensee a non-exclusive and non-transferable license to use ESEA CLIENT software only for non-commercial entertainment purposes. Licensee may not disassemble, decompile, reverse engineer, redistribute (in any form), create derivative works of, or modify ESEA CLIENT software in any way. Licensor reserves the right to terminate the license at any time and for any reason, or no reason at all, and without notice to licensee. Additionally, upon breach of any term of this Agreement, the license granted under this Agreement shall automatically terminate without any additional notice to Licensee. Upon termination of the license, Licensee shall destroy all copies of ESEA CLIENT software in Licensee
[quote=slate]cheers Fog!

surely some kind of EULA must exist, given that privacy invasion of an AC Client should be quite heavy.

Well, I thought there would be something I could read before installing.[/quote] the EULA in full
[quote]E-SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT (ESEA) CLIENT SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT

PLEASE READ CAREFULLY

The terms of this Software License Agreement (this "Agreement") shall apply to all versions, editions, and future updates of ESEA CLIENT software and constitute a legal agreement between you (the "Licensee") and E-SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT, LLC. (the "Licensor").

BY INSTALLING, ENABLING OR USING ESEA CLIENT SOFTWARE, THE LICENSEE IS CONSENTING TO BE BOUND BY AND IS BECOMING A PARTY TO THIS AGREEMENT. IF LICENSEE DOES NOT AGREE TO ALL OF THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, ACCEPTANCE MUST NOT BE SPECIFIED BELOW AND LICENSEE MUST NOT INSTALL OR USE THE SOFTWARE.

E-SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT, LLC. RESERVES ALL RIGHTS NOT SPECIFICALLY GRANTED HEREIN.

Licensor grants Licensee a non-exclusive and non-transferable license to use ESEA CLIENT software only for non-commercial entertainment purposes. Licensee may not disassemble, decompile, reverse engineer, redistribute (in any form), create derivative works of, or modify ESEA CLIENT software in any way. Licensor reserves the right to terminate the license at any time and for any reason, or no reason at all, and without notice to licensee. Additionally, upon breach of any term of this Agreement, the license granted under this Agreement shall automatically terminate without any additional notice to Licensee. Upon termination of the license, Licensee shall destroy all copies of ESEA CLIENT software in Licensee
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#7
1 Frags +

One thing that I will note is that you don't need to have the client running 24/7 if all you're planning to do is play in ESEA matches. Just run the client before you're about to play your match and shut it down after your match is over

One thing that I will note is that you don't need to have the client running 24/7 if all you're planning to do is play in ESEA matches. Just run the client before you're about to play your match and shut it down after your match is over
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#8
1 Frags +

cheers again fog, I was kind of hoping for something more specific, that's basicly a -we can do anything- agreement.

just curious, where did you get this from?

cheers again fog, I was kind of hoping for something more specific, that's basicly a -we can do anything- agreement.

just curious, where did you get this from?
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#9
1 Frags +
slatecheers again fog, I was kind of hoping for something more specific, that's basicly a -we can do anything- agreement.

just curious, where did you get this from?

This is from the ESEA Cleint's install location (C:\Program Files\ESEA\ESEA Client) in a file called eula.rtf

[quote=slate]cheers again fog, I was kind of hoping for something more specific, that's basicly a -we can do anything- agreement.

just curious, where did you get this from?[/quote] This is from the ESEA Cleint's install location (C:\Program Files\ESEA\ESEA Client) in a file called eula.rtf
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#10
1 Frags +

sometimes you have to fiddle with the client a bit - for example, since some time around last season I have always had to start mine twice just to get it to turn on (the first instance of double clicking does nothing lol).

sometimes you have to fiddle with the client a bit - for example, since some time around last season I have always had to start mine twice just to get it to turn on (the first instance of double clicking does nothing lol).
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#11
0 Frags +

A good way to test to see if your client is working before a match is joining a TF2 ESEA pug server and see if you stay in the server for any longer than a minute.

Or if you load up ESEA and have any plugins running, the client will notify you that all plugins will need to be unloaded.

A good way to test to see if your client is working before a match is joining a TF2 ESEA pug server and see if you stay in the server for any longer than a minute.

Or if you load up ESEA and have any plugins running, the client will notify you that all plugins will need to be unloaded.
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#12
3 Frags +

Type in plugin_pause_all to disable your plugins and not have to change your addons folder

Type in plugin_pause_all to disable your plugins and not have to change your addons folder
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#13
0 Frags +

thanks! I'll try that PUG server thing

Another thing I found, which is VERY interesting for EU folks.

modifying LOD-Bias through your GFX drivers is apparently not allowed.

Does the Client also warn for that or will you just get banned?

That is kind of common pratice in euroland.

thanks! I'll try that PUG server thing

Another thing I found, which is VERY interesting for EU folks.

modifying LOD-Bias through your GFX drivers is apparently not allowed.

Does the Client also warn for that or will you just get banned?

That is kind of common pratice in euroland.
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#14
0 Frags +
FogA good way to test to see if your client is working before a match is joining a TF2 ESEA pug server and see if you stay in the server for any longer than a minute.

i think once it automatically tags you up, you're good.

[quote=Fog]A good way to test to see if your client is working before a match is joining a TF2 ESEA pug server and see if you stay in the server for any longer than a minute.
[/quote]
i think once it automatically tags you up, you're good.
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#15
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slatethanks! I'll try that PUG server thing

Another thing I found, which is VERY interesting for EU folks.

modifying LOD-Bias through your GFX drivers is apparently not allowed.

Does the Client also warn for that or will you just get banned?

That is kind of common pratice in euroland.

I have not tried to test this out, but it's my assumption that they will just ban you.

ESEA is very tight lipped in how their client actually works on the technical side, so there isn't a lot of information out there on it.

The reason for the LOD-Bias modification ban is due to the fact that it creates an unfair advantage in the game (ESPECIALLY for Counter Strike games)

[quote=slate]thanks! I'll try that PUG server thing

Another thing I found, which is VERY interesting for EU folks.

modifying LOD-Bias through your GFX drivers is apparently not allowed.

Does the Client also warn for that or will you just get banned?

That is kind of common pratice in euroland.[/quote] I have not tried to test this out, but it's my assumption that they will just ban you.

ESEA is very tight lipped in how their client actually works on the technical side, so there isn't a lot of information out there on it.

The reason for the LOD-Bias modification ban is due to the fact that it creates an unfair advantage in the game (ESPECIALLY for Counter Strike games)
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#16
1 Frags +

Like, it creates an enormous gamebreaking unfair advantage in CS games, and there's no reason to specialize TF2 to not be affected by the ban.

Like, it creates an enormous gamebreaking unfair advantage in CS games, and there's no reason to specialize TF2 to not be affected by the ban.
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#17
0 Frags +

Does it set your in-game name to your login on esea.net? Or is there a separate display-name setting.

Does it set your in-game name to your login on esea.net? Or is there a separate display-name setting.
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#18
0 Frags +
atmoDoes it set your in-game name to your login on esea.net? Or is there a separate display-name setting.

when you join a match server your name and tag automatically replace whatever alias you currently have.

[quote=atmo]Does it set your in-game name to your login on esea.net? Or is there a separate display-name setting.[/quote]

when you join a match server your name and tag automatically replace whatever alias you currently have.
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#19
1 Frags +

In light of this thread I just tested to see if my client was working and Im getting Error #16. Says im running a plug-in. What plugin could I be running?

In light of this thread I just tested to see if my client was working and Im getting Error #16. Says im running a plug-in. What plugin could I be running?
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#20
0 Frags +
leakyIn light of this thread I just tested to see if my client was working and Im getting Error #16. Says im running a plug-in. What plugin could I be running?

prec???

[quote=leaky]In light of this thread I just tested to see if my client was working and Im getting Error #16. Says im running a plug-in. What plugin could I be running?[/quote]
prec???
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#21
0 Frags +

p-rec is the most common

just check your custom folder and see what's in there

p-rec is the most common

just check your custom folder and see what's in there
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#22
0 Frags +

yeah could be p-rec but i was under the impression it would just disable it. thanks guys

EDIT: was p-rec

yeah could be p-rec but i was under the impression it would just disable it. thanks guys

EDIT: was p-rec
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#23
0 Frags +

nope, although you can force-join the server you need and keep p-rec enabled anyways. As far as I've seen, there's never been a consequence in the last season and a half I've done it.

nope, although you can force-join the server you need and keep p-rec enabled anyways. As far as I've seen, there's never been a consequence in the last season and a half I've done it.
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#24
1 Frags +
leakyIn light of this thread I just tested to see if my client was working and Im getting Error #16. Says im running a plug-in. What plugin could I be running?

P-Rec.

[quote=leaky]In light of this thread I just tested to see if my client was working and Im getting Error #16. Says im running a plug-in. What plugin could I be running?[/quote]

P-Rec.
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#25
0 Frags +

Funny thing with the client. It complained about prec, but when I joined the game again, it let me through.

Funny thing with the client. It complained about prec, but when I joined the game again, it let me through.
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#26
0 Frags +
KaeyelFunny thing with the client. It complained about prec, but when I joined the game again, it let me through.

This is because the ESEA Client will unload any and all plugins after you receive the error. This makes it so you're able to just type retry into console and play

[quote=Kaeyel]Funny thing with the client. It complained about prec, but when I joined the game again, it let me through.[/quote] This is because the ESEA Client will unload any and all plugins after you receive the error. This makes it so you're able to just type retry into console and play
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#27
0 Frags +

esea also automatically records your POV from your matches for those who are concerned about lack of prec.

esea also automatically records your POV from your matches for those who are concerned about lack of prec.
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#28
3 Frags +

If the client is able to execute client-side commands (namely the recording of demos) then why doesn't it just use plugin_pause_all to avoid this whole PREC jiggery pokery?

If the client is able to execute client-side commands (namely the recording of demos) then why doesn't it just use plugin_pause_all to avoid this whole PREC jiggery pokery?
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#29
2 Frags +

It does once you try to connect to a server with plugins loaded

It does once you try to connect to a server with plugins loaded
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