Since ESEA limited Engineer to one, what are the chances of the Gunslinger being unbanned?
If I recall correctly, it was banned after dual Gunslingers proved to be a very formidable defense, almost as strong as dual Heavies. Could be wrong.
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Since ESEA limited Engineer to one, what are the chances of the Gunslinger being unbanned?
If I recall correctly, it was banned after dual Gunslingers proved to be a very formidable defense, almost as strong as dual Heavies. Could be wrong.
If I recall correctly, it was banned after dual Gunslingers proved to be a very formidable defense, almost as strong as dual Heavies. Could be wrong.
I will quit ESEA if I ever have to see minis around again.
I will quit ESEA if I ever have to see minis around again.
Lights_no chance.[/u]
Mind explaining?
[quote=Lights_][b][u]no chance.[/b][/u][/quote] Mind explaining?
Kave_JohnsonLights_no chance.[/u]Mind explaining?
Completely shuts down scouts and flanks, can build one in about a second. Are extremely annoying and slow down the fast CP game.
[quote=Kave_Johnson][quote=Lights_][b][u]no chance.[/b][/u][/quote] Mind explaining?[/quote]
Completely shuts down scouts and flanks, can build one in about a second. Are extremely annoying and slow down the fast CP game.
Completely shuts down scouts and flanks, can build one in about a second. Are extremely annoying and slow down the fast CP game.
i will personally paypal killing and kalkin 50 dollars each if gunslinger is unbanned
i will personally paypal killing and kalkin 50 dollars each if gunslinger is unbanned
Kave_JohnsonLights_no chance.[/u]Mind explaining?
From what I understand, they effectively make scouts useless and are spammable. Gives +25 health. Putting them anywhere makes an aimbot pistol that takes ~4 shots to kill and costs 100 metal. You can put up 2 without running to get any metal. If you shoot the engineer, you die to mini, if you shoot the mini you die to engineer.
Its just unfun.
[quote=Kave_Johnson][quote=Lights_][b][u]no chance.[/b][/u][/quote] Mind explaining?[/quote]
From what I understand, they effectively make scouts useless and are spammable. Gives +25 health. Putting them anywhere makes an aimbot pistol that takes ~4 shots to kill and costs 100 metal. You can put up 2 without running to get any metal. If you shoot the engineer, you die to mini, if you shoot the mini you die to engineer.
Its just unfun.
From what I understand, they effectively make scouts useless and are spammable. Gives +25 health. Putting them anywhere makes an aimbot pistol that takes ~4 shots to kill and costs 100 metal. You can put up 2 without running to get any metal. If you shoot the engineer, you die to mini, if you shoot the mini you die to engineer.
Its just unfun.
DeepCompletely shuts down scouts and flanks, can build one in about a second. Are extremely annoying and slow down the fast CP game.
I wouldn't say that a single mini completely shuts down scouts and flanks. Moreso that it adds some protection against them at the cost of picking power and speed and survivability.
Especially when it's only one Engineer. Are single Gunslingers really that bad? Didn't seem so before it was banned. If there was two... yeah, complete shut down. That is why it was banned, right?
Don't take me wrong here, I'm mostly asking for a reason but I'd also like to see part-time Gunslinger use again, as that adds Teleporters and Dispensers to the matches too.
[quote=Deep]Completely shuts down scouts and flanks, can build one in about a second. Are extremely annoying and slow down the fast CP game.[/quote]I wouldn't say that a single mini completely shuts down scouts and flanks. Moreso that it adds some protection against them at the cost of picking power and speed and survivability.
Especially when it's only one Engineer. Are single Gunslingers really that bad? Didn't seem so before it was banned. If there was two... yeah, complete shut down. That is why it was banned, right?
Don't take me wrong here, I'm mostly asking for a reason but I'd also like to see part-time Gunslinger use again, as that adds Teleporters and Dispensers to the matches too.
Especially when it's only one Engineer. Are single Gunslingers really that bad? Didn't seem so before it was banned. If there was two... yeah, complete shut down. That is why it was banned, right?
Don't take me wrong here, I'm mostly asking for a reason but I'd also like to see part-time Gunslinger use again, as that adds Teleporters and Dispensers to the matches too.
kirii have a better idea: ban engineer
yes! lets limit the game even more!
no reason for this lol
[quote=kiri]i have a better idea: ban engineer[/quote]
yes! lets limit the game even more!
no reason for this lol
yes! lets limit the game even more!
no reason for this lol
Honestly, before people figured out how to abuse dual Gunslingers, a single Gunslinger didn't seem so bad.
Is the main reason it's banned really because it annoys Scouts so much? I don't really understand any other reason because it's only one Engy that were talking about here.
Honestly, before people figured out how to abuse dual Gunslingers, a single Gunslinger didn't seem so bad.
Is the main reason it's banned really because it annoys Scouts so much? I don't really understand any other reason because it's only one Engy that were talking about here.
Is the main reason it's banned really because it annoys Scouts so much? I don't really understand any other reason because it's only one Engy that were talking about here.
In addition to shutting down Scouts, it denies explosive jumpers as well. In a game of mobility, it's zero fun.
In addition to shutting down Scouts, it denies explosive jumpers as well. In a game of mobility, it's zero fun.
Let's not forget that even if you do quickly dispose of the mini right away, the Engineer can just build another because it's that convenient.
Let's not forget that even if you do quickly dispose of the mini right away, the Engineer can just build another because it's that convenient.
mini-sg costs 130 metal
no knockback
no +25 health
it doesn't repair itself after taking damage while deploying
its affected by ramp-up/fall-off
it isn't fucking invisible anymore
Would it be fine then?
Not that i'm saying it isn't OP as fuck all in its current state
Edit: just to clarify i think it ought to be affected by ramp-up/fall-off both ways
mini-sg costs 130 metal
no knockback
no +25 health
it doesn't repair itself after taking damage while deploying
its affected by ramp-up/fall-off
it isn't fucking invisible anymore
Would it be fine then?
Not that i'm saying it isn't OP as fuck all in its current state
Edit: just to clarify i think it ought to be affected by ramp-up/fall-off both ways
no knockback
no +25 health
it doesn't repair itself after taking damage while deploying
its affected by ramp-up/fall-off
it isn't fucking invisible anymore
Would it be fine then?
Not that i'm saying it isn't OP as fuck all in its current state
Edit: just to clarify i think it ought to be affected by ramp-up/fall-off both ways
the ability for you to kill one than just have him build another instantly is pretty stupid, he can just drop them and run if shits getting stupid
the ability for you to kill one than just have him build another instantly is pretty stupid, he can just drop them and run if shits getting stupid
Lord_Drollmini-sg costs 130 metal
no knockback
no +25 health
it doesn't repair itself after taking damage while deploying
its affected by ramp-up/fall-off
it isn't fucking invisible anymore
Would it be fine then?
Not that i'm saying it isn't OP as fuck all in its current state
itd be useless then
[quote=Lord_Droll]mini-sg costs 130 metal
no knockback
no +25 health
it doesn't repair itself after taking damage while deploying
its affected by ramp-up/fall-off
it isn't fucking invisible anymore
Would it be fine then?
Not that i'm saying it isn't OP as fuck all in its current state[/quote]
itd be useless then
no knockback
no +25 health
it doesn't repair itself after taking damage while deploying
its affected by ramp-up/fall-off
it isn't fucking invisible anymore
Would it be fine then?
Not that i'm saying it isn't OP as fuck all in its current state[/quote]
itd be useless then
VirulenceIn addition to shutting down Scouts, it denies explosive jumpers as well. In a game of mobility, it's zero fun.
I can understand this, but it can be destroyed relatively easy and isn't nearly as good at denying jumpers as, say, a regular Sentry or Heavy.
TerywjLet's not forget that even if you do quickly dispose of the mini right away, the Engineer can just build another because it's that convenient.
And then it gets destroyed while building for three seconds, or shortly after and the Engineer can't build another because of 0 metal. Convenient, but when an Engineer is under pressure, he has a tough time building another.
[quote=Virulence]In addition to shutting down Scouts, it denies explosive jumpers as well. In a game of mobility, it's zero fun.[/quote]I can understand this, but it can be destroyed relatively easy and isn't nearly as good at denying jumpers as, say, a regular Sentry or Heavy.
[quote=Terywj]Let's not forget that even if you do quickly dispose of the mini right away, the Engineer can just build another because it's that convenient.[/quote] And then it gets destroyed while building for three seconds, or shortly after and the Engineer can't build another because of 0 metal. Convenient, but when an Engineer is under pressure, he has a tough time building another.
[quote=Terywj]Let's not forget that even if you do quickly dispose of the mini right away, the Engineer can just build another because it's that convenient.[/quote] And then it gets destroyed while building for three seconds, or shortly after and the Engineer can't build another because of 0 metal. Convenient, but when an Engineer is under pressure, he has a tough time building another.
they could easily balance the gunslinger by making mini sentries not spawn with full health, let a lone regen while building (takes two shots for a scout to kill it normally, 3 if it's still in the progress of building)
it's quite apparent that valve doesn't give a fuck when it comes to balance and engi unlocks though
they could easily balance the gunslinger by making mini sentries not spawn with full health, let a lone regen while building (takes two shots for a scout to kill it normally, 3 if it's still in the progress of building)
it's quite apparent that valve doesn't give a fuck when it comes to balance and engi unlocks though
it's quite apparent that valve doesn't give a fuck when it comes to balance and engi unlocks though
drogonever forget double mini s9 gpit
Indeed.
But Engineer is limited to one, therefore, if allowed, Gunslinger are limited to one and minis are limited to one at a time.
[quote=drogo]never forget double mini s9 gpit[/quote] Indeed.
But Engineer is limited to one, therefore, if allowed, Gunslinger are limited to one and minis are limited to one at a time.
But Engineer is limited to one, therefore, if allowed, Gunslinger are limited to one and minis are limited to one at a time.
truktrukthey could easily balance the gunslinger by making mini sentries not spawn with full health, let a lone regen while building (takes two shots for a scout to kill it normally, 3 if it's still in the progress of building)
This so much. Whenever I see a minisentry and I'm playing scout, I get the fuck out as there is nothing I can do about it.
[quote=truktruk]they could easily balance the gunslinger by making mini sentries not spawn with full health, let a lone regen while building (takes two shots for a scout to kill it normally, 3 if it's still in the progress of building)[/quote]
This so much. Whenever I see a minisentry and I'm playing scout, I get the fuck out as there is nothing I can do about it.
This so much. Whenever I see a minisentry and I'm playing scout, I get the fuck out as there is nothing I can do about it.
isnt gunslinger run pretty much full time on non attack defend maps in HL? I think it needs a nerf before being considered as it's pretty much an upgrade to the other wrenches.
isnt gunslinger run pretty much full time on non attack defend maps in HL? I think it needs a nerf before being considered as it's pretty much an upgrade to the other wrenches.
So, let me see if I understand this.
The Gunslinger was banned for balance issues when Engineers ran it in pairs, but is now going to continue to be banned because Scouts find it annoying even when Engineer is limited to one?
Considering how tolerable it was before dual GSes, I find it hard to understand why the reason for banning went from balancce to annoyance.
So, let me see if I understand this.
The Gunslinger was banned for balance issues when Engineers ran it in pairs, but is now going to continue to be banned because Scouts find it annoying even when Engineer is limited to one?
Considering how tolerable it was before dual GSes, I find it hard to understand why the reason for banning went from balancce to annoyance.
The Gunslinger was banned for balance issues when Engineers ran it in pairs, but is now going to continue to be banned because Scouts find it annoying even when Engineer is limited to one?
Considering how tolerable it was before dual GSes, I find it hard to understand why the reason for banning went from balancce to annoyance.
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