Caspianpeople ignore papasmurf/tehoreoz(2c)/turts/twitchjohn when they try to counter the "malware" argument.
no one that I know of has quit esea this season because of the "malware" client (aside from the 2 players who got banned)
european and non esea players seem to be the loudest ones in this whole argument aside from the invite lan supporters.
once you've already paid up for a season, you'd rather not quit without playing. Watch how many teams sign up for open next season. I don't have any idea of the numbers, but i'm pretty sure it'll be less.
[quote=Caspian]people ignore papasmurf/tehoreoz(2c)/turts/twitchjohn when they try to counter the "malware" argument.
no one that I know of has quit esea this season because of the "malware" client (aside from the 2 players who got banned)
european and non esea players seem to be the loudest ones in this whole argument aside from the invite lan supporters.[/quote]
once you've already paid up for a season, you'd rather not quit without playing. Watch how many teams sign up for open next season. I don't have any idea of the numbers, but i'm pretty sure it'll be less.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like the people defending ESEA are using LAN as an example of the wealth and stability of the organization, and that these are things CEVO lacks.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like the people defending ESEA are using LAN as an example of the wealth and stability of the organization, and that these are things CEVO lacks.
Air_Caspianpeople ignore papasmurf/tehoreoz(2c)/turts/twitchjohn when they try to counter the "malware" argument.
no one that I know of has quit esea this season because of the "malware" client (aside from the 2 players who got banned)
european and non esea players seem to be the loudest ones in this whole argument aside from the invite lan supporters.
once you've already paid up for a season, you'd rather not quit without playing. Watch how many teams sign up for open next season. I don't have any idea of the numbers, but i'm pretty sure it'll be less.
non esea players seem to be the loudest ones in this whole argument
[quote=Air_][quote=Caspian]people ignore papasmurf/tehoreoz(2c)/turts/twitchjohn when they try to counter the "malware" argument.
no one that I know of has quit esea this season because of the "malware" client (aside from the 2 players who got banned)
european and non esea players seem to be the loudest ones in this whole argument aside from the invite lan supporters.[/quote]
once you've already paid up for a season, you'd rather not quit without playing. Watch how many teams sign up for open next season. I don't have any idea of the numbers, but i'm pretty sure it'll be less.[/quote]
[b]non esea players seem to be the loudest ones in this whole argument[/b]
Where are people getting that from? A lot of people that play, or have played, in ESEA are saying it too.
Where are people getting that from? A lot of people that play, or have played, in ESEA are saying it too.
YankeeMr_Owltf2 is dead
no lan = no incentive to play
Last time I checked you weren't in invite :P
[quote=Yankee][quote=Mr_Owl]tf2 is dead[/quote]
no lan = no incentive to play[/quote]
Last time I checked you weren't in invite :P
why do people say without lan theres no reason/incentive to get better at the game, ETF2L doesnt have a lan at the end of each season afaik and they still kicked mix^/hrg's asses
why do people say without lan theres no reason/incentive to get better at the game, ETF2L doesnt have a lan at the end of each season afaik and they still kicked mix^/hrg's asses
deadmau5why do people say without lan theres no reason/incentive to get better at the game, ETF2L doesnt have a lan at the end of each season afaik and they still kicked mix^/hrg's asses
im pretty sure we've never lost to a european team, the fact that we didn't attend i49 is irrelevant.
[quote=deadmau5]why do people say without lan theres no reason/incentive to get better at the game, ETF2L doesnt have a lan at the end of each season afaik and they still kicked mix^/hrg's asses[/quote]
im pretty sure we've never lost to a european team, the fact that we didn't attend i49 is irrelevant.
Didn't you lose in one of the showmatches? Or the nations cup? I forget...
Didn't you lose in one of the showmatches? Or the nations cup? I forget...
EggplantDidn't you lose in one of the showmatches? Or the nations cup? I forget...
nope won ours against TCM, nations cup wasn't with mix^.
[quote=Eggplant]Didn't you lose in one of the showmatches? Or the nations cup? I forget...[/quote]
nope won ours against TCM, nations cup wasn't with mix^.
lange's message to torbull - http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/14006-meatshot-8-vol-5/12#post-230825
spreadsheet regarding transfer of players from ugc to esea - http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/14064-ag-supports-cevo-in-expanded-league/8#post-231910
the drama is, a good portion of the community moving away from the scumbag esea video game league and a handful of people(who most of which happen to be invite LAN contenders, HMM INTERESTING) try to come up with arguments for ESEA other than, "I want to win someone money and a trip to dallas to play video games with my internet friends."
I mean if you're going to try to argue to stay with ESEA as a community, at least have the balls to come right out and say the real reason why you want to stay. Platinum at least did something respectable concerning this.
the drama is, a good portion of the community moving away from the scumbag esea video game league and a handful of people(who most of which happen to be invite LAN contenders, HMM INTERESTING) try to come up with arguments for ESEA other than, "I want to win someone money and a trip to dallas to play video games with my internet friends."
I mean if you're going to try to argue to stay with ESEA as a community, at least have the balls to come right out and say the real reason why you want to stay. Platinum at least did something respectable concerning this.
harbleudeadmau5why do people say without lan theres no reason/incentive to get better at the game, ETF2L doesnt have a lan at the end of each season afaik and they still kicked mix^/hrg's asses
im pretty sure we've never lost to a european team, the fact that we didn't attend i49 is irrelevant.
Hardly irrelevant, they went because they were in higher standing than you guys at the time.
[quote=harbleu][quote=deadmau5]why do people say without lan theres no reason/incentive to get better at the game, ETF2L doesnt have a lan at the end of each season afaik and they still kicked mix^/hrg's asses[/quote]
im pretty sure we've never lost to a european team, the fact that we didn't attend i49 is irrelevant.[/quote]
Hardly irrelevant, they went because they were in higher standing than you guys at the time.
deadmau5why do people say without lan theres no reason/incentive to get better at the game, ETF2L doesnt have a lan at the end of each season afaik and they still kicked mix^/hrg's asses
That was the result of being thoroughly humiliated the year before. Having no seasonal LAN gets you roughly to i46.
[quote=deadmau5]why do people say without lan theres no reason/incentive to get better at the game, ETF2L doesnt have a lan at the end of each season afaik and they still kicked mix^/hrg's asses[/quote]
That was the result of being thoroughly humiliated the year before. Having no seasonal LAN gets you roughly to i46.
kaidusdeadmau5why do people say without lan theres no reason/incentive to get better at the game, ETF2L doesnt have a lan at the end of each season afaik and they still kicked mix^/hrg's asses
That was the result of being thoroughly humiliated the year before. Having no seasonal LAN gets you roughly to i46.
It's more a case of Epsilon actually becoming a better team (with a vastly improved roster) and actually being able to be called a superteam, unlike epsilon @i46 which was a team with plenty fragilities.
Take a look at epsilon roster through the time here and now tell me how is not the i49 roster a upgrade in every single aspect compared to the i46 roster. Besides epsilon was nowhere near as dominant at the time of i46, they had lost a season to infused just 1 season before that and it was only after Mike and Numlocked move to Epsilon after i46 that epsilon cemented themselves as the european superteam they are currently. Not to mention that epsilon played i46 with a rusty demo and scout.
Mixup at i46 was a truly north american super team, I would not consider Epsilon a european super team at the time of i46, and so saying we only won i49 because we got wrecked at i46 is kind of a false truth since the teams were not on the same level to begin with, and also because what happened is that the team simply got better not because they practiced extra hard, but because they made roster changes that allowed them to improve the team in every single aspect
[quote=kaidus][quote=deadmau5]why do people say without lan theres no reason/incentive to get better at the game, ETF2L doesnt have a lan at the end of each season afaik and they still kicked mix^/hrg's asses[/quote]
That was the result of being thoroughly humiliated the year before. Having no seasonal LAN gets you roughly to i46.[/quote]
It's more a case of Epsilon actually becoming a better team (with a vastly improved roster) and actually being able to be called a superteam, unlike epsilon @i46 which was a team with plenty fragilities.
Take a look at epsilon roster through the time [url=http://comp.tf/wiki/Epsilon_eSports]here[/url] and now tell me how is not the i49 roster a upgrade in every single aspect compared to the i46 roster. Besides epsilon was nowhere near as dominant at the time of i46, they had lost a season to infused just 1 season before that and it was only after Mike and Numlocked move to Epsilon after i46 that epsilon cemented themselves as the european superteam they are currently. Not to mention that epsilon played i46 with a rusty demo and scout.
Mixup at i46 was a truly north american super team, I would not consider Epsilon a european super team at the time of i46, and so saying we only won i49 because we got wrecked at i46 is kind of a false truth since the teams were not on the same level to begin with, and also because what happened is that the team simply got better not because they practiced extra hard, but because they made roster changes that allowed them to improve the team in every single aspect
flippersMadhax
I saw what you posted, it was next to nothing worth a ban. Stupid stuff. Not what you said but the fact that you were banned.
[quote=flippers]Madhax[/quote]
I saw what you posted, it was next to nothing worth a ban. Stupid stuff. Not what you said but the fact that you were banned.
JohnMilterAir_Caspianpeople ignore papasmurf/tehoreoz(2c)/turts/twitchjohn when they try to counter the "malware" argument.
no one that I know of has quit esea this season because of the "malware" client (aside from the 2 players who got banned)
european and non esea players seem to be the loudest ones in this whole argument aside from the invite lan supporters.
once you've already paid up for a season, you'd rather not quit without playing. Watch how many teams sign up for open next season. I don't have any idea of the numbers, but i'm pretty sure it'll be less.
non esea players seem to be the loudest ones in this whole argument
6:05 Jovebob: Where can I get some good malware guys?
6:05 ZoltanTf2: esea.com
".com"
[quote=JohnMilter][quote=Air_][quote=Caspian]people ignore papasmurf/tehoreoz(2c)/turts/twitchjohn when they try to counter the "malware" argument.
no one that I know of has quit esea this season because of the "malware" client (aside from the 2 players who got banned)
european and non esea players seem to be the loudest ones in this whole argument aside from the invite lan supporters.[/quote]
once you've already paid up for a season, you'd rather not quit without playing. Watch how many teams sign up for open next season. I don't have any idea of the numbers, but i'm pretty sure it'll be less.[/quote]
[b]non esea players seem to be the loudest ones in this whole argument[/b][/quote]
6:05 Jovebob: Where can I get some good malware guys?
6:05 ZoltanTf2: esea.com
".com"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
[quote=AloSec]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect[/quote]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd8lP4YnQNE[/youtube]
blinK is an anti-semite
lauren is dating b4nny
ESEA installed malware on people's computers
enigma banned people
that about sums it up
blinK is an anti-semite
lauren is dating b4nny
ESEA installed malware on people's computers
enigma banned people
that about sums it up
[img]http://i.imgur.com/PUUb5Kz.png[/img]
Kanecostuff
All that post makes me want is i46 Mix^ vs i49 Epsi, but since that will never happen must just resign to the fact that each dream team never got the chance to play eachother
[quote=Kaneco]stuff[/quote]
All that post makes me want is i46 Mix^ vs i49 Epsi, but since that will never happen must just resign to the fact that each dream team never got the chance to play eachother
too much crazy in this world to make that happen yolo
too much crazy in this world to make that happen yolo
AndKennethharbleudeadmau5why do people say without lan theres no reason/incentive to get better at the game, ETF2L doesnt have a lan at the end of each season afaik and they still kicked mix^/hrg's asses
im pretty sure we've never lost to a european team, the fact that we didn't attend i49 is irrelevant.
Hardly irrelevant, they went because they were in higher standing than you guys at the time.
To be fair, that's because HRG used the season as a study in how the NA ruleset promoted "aggressive" play.
[quote=AndKenneth][quote=harbleu][quote=deadmau5]why do people say without lan theres no reason/incentive to get better at the game, ETF2L doesnt have a lan at the end of each season afaik and they still kicked mix^/hrg's asses[/quote]
im pretty sure we've never lost to a european team, the fact that we didn't attend i49 is irrelevant.[/quote]
Hardly irrelevant, they went because they were in higher standing than you guys at the time.[/quote]
To be fair, that's because HRG used the season as a study in how the NA ruleset promoted "aggressive" play.
also i think people are starting to raise concerns over mason's mental health
also i think people are starting to raise concerns over mason's mental health
CEVO's open division is still f2p, correct?
CEVO's open division is still f2p, correct?
Are we going to have a Fully Charged tomorrow to help summarize the discussion so far and point it in a specific direction going forward?
Are we going to have a Fully Charged tomorrow to help summarize the discussion so far and point it in a specific direction going forward?
PhaserPeople are saying we don't need LANs, all of the Invite players are saying they need it for motivation to keep playing(like endgame for an MMORPG), but a significant portion of the population says we don't need it to play TF2, the others are saying without an endgame the game will die
I think the first LAN was season 5 or 6 right?? Before that i don't really think anyone had an issue with the championships not being on LAN regardless of CEVO-P or ESEA invite. I think during the time TF2 was really entering it's prime and there was a lot of excitement and interest in the game...the LAN scene really meant something. Hell season 6 probably had the biggest upset ever and that would have been incredible to have been apart of in person. The reality is that we will probably never see that happen again when the same 2 teams have been going back and forth for the past 3 years. While i have respect for the skill and dedication plat and b4nny have invested into the game and their teams, why is LAN still such a big factor? For them i'm sure LAN is awesome, knowing you are still one of the best and will come away with some (hopefully) profit. Do you really need LAN to tell you that? If you can stomp a fellow invite team off-classing online...or 5-0 roll a 3/4 seed on normal classes...what difference will LAN really prove? Wouldn't it be easier to just play online and actually make a nice profit other than a mediocre one? Is it even worth it anymore for the 3rd & 4th seeds...realistically knowing you won't get above 3rd & 4th place? Maybe if you get community funding, but in essence it's like robbing Peter to pay Paul. I think our community goes above and beyond supporting the game to keep LAN's going, but it's not their responsibility by any means.
I honestly don't see how the competitive scene would die without ESEA LAN. It's not like TF2 gets remotely near any attention as the major competitive games out there right now. If the term endgame is being brought up, it's not the ESEA LAN...the real endgame imo are the international LAN's. i46/i49 were absolutely amazing to watch...i49 was probably the most enjoyable LAN event I've ever watched for TF2. All 4 top teams were totally capable of winning - that's something that would be awesome to be apart of. I wouldn't mind, however, hearing a real POV from someone like enigma/plat/b4nny...maybe i'm missing something.
A season 6 type of upset will never happen online.
[quote=Phaser][quote]People are saying we don't need LANs, all of the Invite players are saying they need it for motivation to keep playing(like endgame for an MMORPG), but a significant portion of the population says we don't need it to play TF2, the others are saying without an endgame the game will die[/quote]
I think the first LAN was season 5 or 6 right?? Before that i don't really think anyone had an issue with the championships not being on LAN regardless of CEVO-P or ESEA invite. I think during the time TF2 was really entering it's prime and there was a lot of excitement and interest in the game...the LAN scene really meant something. Hell season 6 probably had the biggest upset ever and that would have been incredible to have been apart of in person. The reality is that we will probably never see that happen again when the same 2 teams have been going back and forth for the past 3 years. While i have respect for the skill and dedication plat and b4nny have invested into the game and their teams, why is LAN still such a big factor? For them i'm sure LAN is awesome, knowing you are still one of the best and will come away with some (hopefully) profit. Do you really need LAN to tell you that? If you can stomp a fellow invite team off-classing online...or 5-0 roll a 3/4 seed on normal classes...what difference will LAN really prove? Wouldn't it be easier to just play online and actually make a nice profit other than a mediocre one? Is it even worth it anymore for the 3rd & 4th seeds...realistically knowing you won't get above 3rd & 4th place? Maybe if you get community funding, but in essence it's like robbing Peter to pay Paul. I think our community goes above and beyond supporting the game to keep LAN's going, but it's not their responsibility by any means.
I honestly don't see how the competitive scene would die without ESEA LAN. It's not like TF2 gets remotely near any attention as the major competitive games out there right now. If the term endgame is being brought up, it's not the ESEA LAN...the real endgame imo are the international LAN's. i46/i49 were absolutely amazing to watch...i49 was probably the most enjoyable LAN event I've ever watched for TF2. All 4 top teams were totally capable of winning - that's something that would be awesome to be apart of. I wouldn't mind, however, hearing a real POV from someone like enigma/plat/b4nny...maybe i'm missing something.[/quote]
A season 6 type of upset will never happen online.
I got banned for saying that enigma wasn't backing up his claims with evidence
[17:36] <The301stSpartan> Fucking respond.
[17:42] <enigma> ?
[17:44] <The301stSpartan> What do you mean by "?"
[17:44] <The301stSpartan> This is fucking preposterous
[17:45] <The301stSpartan> You fucking banned ME from tftv for calling your arguments invalid?
[17:45] <The301stSpartan> Is this the 3rd Reich or what
[17:46] <enigma> no it's an internet video gaming forum
[17:47] <The301stSpartan> So why is it being run by someone who behaves like hitler instead of a video gaming forum admin?
[17:47] <The301stSpartan> I never posted a single troll post on tftv and I'm probably one of a handfull people who never posted stupid emoticons or the words "kid", "son" or "lel" just to piss somebody off
[17:47] <The301stSpartan> I never broke your rules
[17:47] <The301stSpartan> Every thread I made was because I had a legit question or because I wanted to help someone in some way
[17:47] <enigma> do you want to be unbanned?
[17:48] <The301stSpartan> I fucking expect to be unbanned
[17:48] <The301stSpartan> I want to know why you started banning people left and right for no reason
[17:48] <enigma> ok ask me again when you've calmed down
[17:48] <The301stSpartan> I don't have to ask you
[17:49] <The301stSpartan> I didn't break any rules
[17:49] <The301stSpartan> you are the one who went apeshit
[17:49] <The301stSpartan> you should be calming down and unban everyone you wrongfully banned
[17:50] <enigma> i am quite calm
[17:50] <enigma> have a nice day
[17:50] <The301stSpartan> I'm having a great day, thanks
[17:50] <The301stSpartan> So since you are so calm and considerate, would you be so kind as to inform me why I was banned?
[17:51] <The301stSpartan> Aka in what bannable way exactly I infringed the tf.tv rules, which I obviously did because otherwise you would have long unbanned me by now, considering that you are all calm and shit
[17:52] <The301stSpartan> thought so
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inb4 ban
I got banned for saying that enigma wasn't backing up his claims with evidence
[quote][17:36] <The301stSpartan> Fucking respond.
[17:42] <enigma> ?
[17:44] <The301stSpartan> What do you mean by "?"
[17:44] <The301stSpartan> This is fucking preposterous
[17:45] <The301stSpartan> You fucking banned ME from tftv for calling your arguments invalid?
[17:45] <The301stSpartan> Is this the 3rd Reich or what
[17:46] <enigma> no it's an internet video gaming forum
[17:47] <The301stSpartan> So why is it being run by someone who behaves like hitler instead of a video gaming forum admin?
[17:47] <The301stSpartan> I never posted a single troll post on tftv and I'm probably one of a handfull people who never posted stupid emoticons or the words "kid", "son" or "lel" just to piss somebody off
[17:47] <The301stSpartan> I never broke your rules
[17:47] <The301stSpartan> Every thread I made was because I had a legit question or because I wanted to help someone in some way
[17:47] <enigma> do you want to be unbanned?
[17:48] <The301stSpartan> I fucking expect to be unbanned
[17:48] <The301stSpartan> I want to know why you started banning people left and right for no reason
[17:48] <enigma> ok ask me again when you've calmed down
[17:48] <The301stSpartan> I don't have to ask you
[17:49] <The301stSpartan> I didn't break any rules
[17:49] <The301stSpartan> you are the one who went apeshit
[17:49] <The301stSpartan> you should be calming down and unban everyone you wrongfully banned
[17:50] <enigma> i am quite calm
[17:50] <enigma> have a nice day
[17:50] <The301stSpartan> I'm having a great day, thanks
[17:50] <The301stSpartan> So since you are so calm and considerate, would you be so kind as to inform me why I was banned?
[17:51] <The301stSpartan> Aka in what bannable way exactly I infringed the tf.tv rules, which I obviously did because otherwise you would have long unbanned me by now, considering that you are all calm and shit
[17:52] <The301stSpartan> thought so[/quote]
[spoiler]inb4 ban[/spoiler]
PlatinumPhaserPeople are saying we don't need LANs, all of the Invite players are saying they need it for motivation to keep playing(like endgame for an MMORPG), but a significant portion of the population says we don't need it to play TF2, the others are saying without an endgame the game will die
I think the first LAN was season 5 or 6 right?? Before that i don't really think anyone had an issue with the championships not being on LAN regardless of CEVO-P or ESEA invite. I think during the time TF2 was really entering it's prime and there was a lot of excitement and interest in the game...the LAN scene really meant something. Hell season 6 probably had the biggest upset ever and that would have been incredible to have been apart of in person. The reality is that we will probably never see that happen again when the same 2 teams have been going back and forth for the past 3 years. While i have respect for the skill and dedication plat and b4nny have invested into the game and their teams, why is LAN still such a big factor? For them i'm sure LAN is awesome, knowing you are still one of the best and will come away with some (hopefully) profit. Do you really need LAN to tell you that? If you can stomp a fellow invite team off-classing online...or 5-0 roll a 3/4 seed on normal classes...what difference will LAN really prove? Wouldn't it be easier to just play online and actually make a nice profit other than a mediocre one? Is it even worth it anymore for the 3rd & 4th seeds...realistically knowing you won't get above 3rd & 4th place? Maybe if you get community funding, but in essence it's like robbing Peter to pay Paul. I think our community goes above and beyond supporting the game to keep LAN's going, but it's not their responsibility by any means.
I honestly don't see how the competitive scene would die without ESEA LAN. It's not like TF2 gets remotely near any attention as the major competitive games out there right now. If the term endgame is being brought up, it's not the ESEA LAN...the real endgame imo are the international LAN's. i46/i49 were absolutely amazing to watch...i49 was probably the most enjoyable LAN event I've ever watched for TF2. All 4 top teams were totally capable of winning - that's something that would be awesome to be apart of. I wouldn't mind, however, hearing a real POV from someone like enigma/plat/b4nny...maybe i'm missing something.
A season 6 type of upset will never happen online.
Holy shit platinum we get it, you want a fucking lan, how about you either wait a few seasons for cevo to get a lan, or just stick with esea and stop trying to justify what they did because they have a fucking lan
[quote=Platinum][quote=Phaser][quote]People are saying we don't need LANs, all of the Invite players are saying they need it for motivation to keep playing(like endgame for an MMORPG), but a significant portion of the population says we don't need it to play TF2, the others are saying without an endgame the game will die[/quote]
I think the first LAN was season 5 or 6 right?? Before that i don't really think anyone had an issue with the championships not being on LAN regardless of CEVO-P or ESEA invite. I think during the time TF2 was really entering it's prime and there was a lot of excitement and interest in the game...the LAN scene really meant something. Hell season 6 probably had the biggest upset ever and that would have been incredible to have been apart of in person. The reality is that we will probably never see that happen again when the same 2 teams have been going back and forth for the past 3 years. While i have respect for the skill and dedication plat and b4nny have invested into the game and their teams, why is LAN still such a big factor? For them i'm sure LAN is awesome, knowing you are still one of the best and will come away with some (hopefully) profit. Do you really need LAN to tell you that? If you can stomp a fellow invite team off-classing online...or 5-0 roll a 3/4 seed on normal classes...what difference will LAN really prove? Wouldn't it be easier to just play online and actually make a nice profit other than a mediocre one? Is it even worth it anymore for the 3rd & 4th seeds...realistically knowing you won't get above 3rd & 4th place? Maybe if you get community funding, but in essence it's like robbing Peter to pay Paul. I think our community goes above and beyond supporting the game to keep LAN's going, but it's not their responsibility by any means.
I honestly don't see how the competitive scene would die without ESEA LAN. It's not like TF2 gets remotely near any attention as the major competitive games out there right now. If the term endgame is being brought up, it's not the ESEA LAN...the real endgame imo are the international LAN's. i46/i49 were absolutely amazing to watch...i49 was probably the most enjoyable LAN event I've ever watched for TF2. All 4 top teams were totally capable of winning - that's something that would be awesome to be apart of. I wouldn't mind, however, hearing a real POV from someone like enigma/plat/b4nny...maybe i'm missing something.[/quote]
A season 6 type of upset will never happen online.[/quote]
Holy shit platinum we get it, you want a fucking lan, how about you either wait a few seasons for cevo to get a lan, or just stick with esea and stop trying to justify what they did because they have a fucking lan