We're 1/3rd to saving ESEA. 9 open teams out of 30 needed according to the admins to keep the game in their league.
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We're 1/3rd to saving ESEA. 9 open teams out of 30 needed according to the admins to keep the game in their league.
Killingz4chWhenever we bring up the argument that we've never made a dime on TF2 and lost thousands of dollars, people don't want to hear it. They just retort with "ESEA is all about the money".I'm not trying to be a dickhead, but do you have proof of this? If you do, then it makes the biggest argument against ESEA invalid.
The things that push me away from ESEA are the things like the beginning of last season. An update came out which made the client unusable, postponing matches (which is understandable). It took at least a week before matches could be played again. That's the example (to me) that showed that ESEA really doesn't care that much.
I thoroughly believe that you care about TF2, Killing. You're a really nice and genuine guy. But I've heard some things that lpkane has said about TF2, and I don't know if they are true, but they still stick with me. How come I've never seen lpkane back you up in a TF2 thread on here? That would give me some reason to come back to ESEA, but unfortunately, I just don't see it.
Of course, I can't give out the numbers of our operating costs but I believe enigma made a fairly accurate spreadsheet that showed that we lose money.
I agree, the beginning of the season was fucking terrible but this was due to our new client team getting acclimated. It's unfortunate that the worst thing are what sticks out in everyone's head. The thing that you've failed to notice is that there hasn't been a single issue since then. Considering how well everything has gone, I'm pretty sure it will be smooth sailing from now on.
Nothing that you've heard about lpkane is actually true. He does care about TF2. He likes to be a silent owner in regards to TF2, kinda like in sports where the owner stays out of most stuff.
This might surprise you but lpkane was the one that came to me about getting EU TF2. lpkane came to me about adding main. Of course, these were all ideas that I had but hadn't shared yet. I'm not sure if I can ever prove to you guys that he cares, but he wanted to do all that on his own.
Could someone link that spreadsheet? I'd like to see it.
I like to think of the good things too, but the way I see it, CEVO is doing everything better. Their states system will be better, the server system will be better, I'll feel safer using their client, etc.
I've never seen or even heard of lpkane even trying to talk to players. That's what makes me think he doesn't care. I don't want him to be some batman-esque leader, I want him to be involved.
Kinda random, but some things that would draw me back to TF2: user input about how the league is run, a better/promoted PUG system, tie-ins with community made plugins and programs for TF2.
[quote=Killing][quote=z4ch][quote]Whenever we bring up the argument that we've never made a dime on TF2 and lost thousands of dollars, people don't want to hear it. They just retort with "ESEA is all about the money". [/quote]
I'm not trying to be a dickhead, but do you have proof of this? If you do, then it makes the biggest argument against ESEA invalid.
The things that push me away from ESEA are the things like the beginning of last season. An update came out which made the client unusable, postponing matches (which is understandable). It took at least a week before matches could be played again. That's the example (to me) that showed that ESEA really doesn't care that much.
I thoroughly believe that you care about TF2, Killing. You're a really nice and genuine guy. But I've heard some things that lpkane has said about TF2, and I don't know if they are true, but they still stick with me. How come I've never seen lpkane back you up in a TF2 thread on here? That would give me some reason to come back to ESEA, but unfortunately, I just don't see it.[/quote]
Of course, I can't give out the numbers of our operating costs but I believe enigma made a fairly accurate spreadsheet that showed that we lose money.
I agree, the beginning of the season was fucking terrible but this was due to our new client team getting acclimated. It's unfortunate that the worst thing are what sticks out in everyone's head. The thing that you've failed to notice is that there hasn't been a single issue since then. Considering how well everything has gone, I'm pretty sure it will be smooth sailing from now on.
Nothing that you've heard about lpkane is actually true. He does care about TF2. He likes to be a silent owner in regards to TF2, kinda like in sports where the owner stays out of most stuff.
This might surprise you but lpkane was the one that came to me about getting EU TF2. lpkane came to me about adding main. Of course, these were all ideas that I had but hadn't shared yet. I'm not sure if I can ever prove to you guys that he cares, but he wanted to do all that on his own.[/quote]
Could someone link that spreadsheet? I'd like to see it.
I like to think of the good things too, but the way I see it, CEVO is doing everything better. Their states system will be better, the server system will be better, I'll feel safer using their client, etc.
I've never seen or even heard of lpkane even trying to talk to players. That's what makes me think he doesn't care. I don't want him to be some batman-esque leader, I want him to be involved.
Kinda random, but some things that would draw me back to TF2: user input about how the league is run, a better/promoted PUG system, tie-ins with community made plugins and programs for TF2.
I'm not trying to be a dickhead, but do you have proof of this? If you do, then it makes the biggest argument against ESEA invalid.
The things that push me away from ESEA are the things like the beginning of last season. An update came out which made the client unusable, postponing matches (which is understandable). It took at least a week before matches could be played again. That's the example (to me) that showed that ESEA really doesn't care that much.
I thoroughly believe that you care about TF2, Killing. You're a really nice and genuine guy. But I've heard some things that lpkane has said about TF2, and I don't know if they are true, but they still stick with me. How come I've never seen lpkane back you up in a TF2 thread on here? That would give me some reason to come back to ESEA, but unfortunately, I just don't see it.[/quote]
Of course, I can't give out the numbers of our operating costs but I believe enigma made a fairly accurate spreadsheet that showed that we lose money.
I agree, the beginning of the season was fucking terrible but this was due to our new client team getting acclimated. It's unfortunate that the worst thing are what sticks out in everyone's head. The thing that you've failed to notice is that there hasn't been a single issue since then. Considering how well everything has gone, I'm pretty sure it will be smooth sailing from now on.
Nothing that you've heard about lpkane is actually true. He does care about TF2. He likes to be a silent owner in regards to TF2, kinda like in sports where the owner stays out of most stuff.
This might surprise you but lpkane was the one that came to me about getting EU TF2. lpkane came to me about adding main. Of course, these were all ideas that I had but hadn't shared yet. I'm not sure if I can ever prove to you guys that he cares, but he wanted to do all that on his own.[/quote]
Could someone link that spreadsheet? I'd like to see it.
I like to think of the good things too, but the way I see it, CEVO is doing everything better. Their states system will be better, the server system will be better, I'll feel safer using their client, etc.
I've never seen or even heard of lpkane even trying to talk to players. That's what makes me think he doesn't care. I don't want him to be some batman-esque leader, I want him to be involved.
Kinda random, but some things that would draw me back to TF2: user input about how the league is run, a better/promoted PUG system, tie-ins with community made plugins and programs for TF2.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlPtSA2f_ooDdDVwLTdDUk04SHFSWTZGcFVQNFl0a3c&usp=sharing#gid=0
cozenhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlPtSA2f_ooDdDVwLTdDUk04SHFSWTZGcFVQNFl0a3c&usp=sharing#gid=0
This is of course not including LAN costs + server but I think you guys get the point.
[quote=cozen]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlPtSA2f_ooDdDVwLTdDUk04SHFSWTZGcFVQNFl0a3c&usp=sharing#gid=0[/quote]
This is of course not including LAN costs + server but I think you guys get the point.
This is of course not including LAN costs + server but I think you guys get the point.
KillingLet's do a fully charged. Where is Cbear at?
Are you going to have a discussion/debate with a cevo rep?
[quote=Killing]Let's do a fully charged. Where is Cbear at?[/quote]
Are you going to have a discussion/debate with a cevo rep?
Are you going to have a discussion/debate with a cevo rep?
Shwanrip. I'm so glad that after years of shitty servers, customer support, and clients. ESEA is finally getting what it deserves.
Sorry shwan. I can't get you that birthday present.
[quote=Shwan]rip. I'm so glad that after years of shitty servers, customer support, and clients. ESEA is finally getting what it deserves.[/quote]
Sorry shwan. I can't get you that birthday present.
Sorry shwan. I can't get you that birthday present.
NewbieMcNewbfaceKillingLet's do a fully charged. Where is Cbear at?
Are you going to have a discussion/debate with a cevo rep?
I'm in.
[quote=NewbieMcNewbface][quote=Killing]Let's do a fully charged. Where is Cbear at?[/quote]
Are you going to have a discussion/debate with a cevo rep?[/quote]
I'm in.
Are you going to have a discussion/debate with a cevo rep?[/quote]
I'm in.
KillingI really couldn't disagree more. What makes CEVO's platform better? They picked up likeable community figures and made a league. I'm not sure if I heard correctly but a large piece of the prize pot came from nahanni's pocket. They aren't risking much on TF2, I'm willing to risk it all. I want you to tell me right now what you want me to do to improve ESEA TF2. I'm more than willing to have a discussion.
I didn't say it was necessarily better. You sound blind sided by this paradigm shift even though it's been evolving for months. Like you (and a lot of the other ESEA supporters) didn't really believe that it might actually happen. Where were all of you when this conversation started? CEVO struck while the iron was hot and reaped the benefits. Now ESEA comes along months later and is surprised by it? That's what I don't understand, and that's the kind of aloofness that I think so many players chafe under.
Yea CEVOs s4 prize pot was funded largely by a couple members of the community. But that's part of the attraction isn't it? It feels good to be supporting ourselves. It reinforces the idea of a league for the players. I'm not saying CEVO will necessarily be better, but surely you can understand why people will think so.
I understand that TF2 is an insignificant part of ESEA, and that allowing us to play with them was generous. I don't blame ESEA for treating TF2 the way it does. As the TF2 community grew it was more or less inevitable that they'd want to break away.
I'm not talking about which league is better. I think that obviously the best solution is to play both for the time being. I'm just explaining why I think this is happening.
[quote=Killing]
I really couldn't disagree more. What makes CEVO's platform better? They picked up likeable community figures and made a league. I'm not sure if I heard correctly but a large piece of the prize pot came from nahanni's pocket. They aren't risking much on TF2, I'm willing to risk it all. I want you to tell me right now what you want me to do to improve ESEA TF2. I'm more than willing to have a discussion.[/quote]
I didn't say it was necessarily better. You sound blind sided by this paradigm shift even though it's been evolving for months. Like you (and a lot of the other ESEA supporters) didn't really believe that it might actually happen. Where were all of you when this conversation started? CEVO struck while the iron was hot and reaped the benefits. Now ESEA comes along months later and is surprised by it? That's what I don't understand, and that's the kind of aloofness that I think so many players chafe under.
Yea CEVOs s4 prize pot was funded largely by a couple members of the community. But that's part of the attraction isn't it? It feels good to be supporting ourselves. It reinforces the idea of a league for the players. I'm not saying CEVO will necessarily be better, but surely you can understand why people will think so.
I understand that TF2 is an insignificant part of ESEA, and that allowing us to play with them was generous. I don't blame ESEA for treating TF2 the way it does. As the TF2 community grew it was more or less inevitable that they'd want to break away.
I'm not talking about which league is better. I think that obviously the best solution is to play both for the time being. I'm just explaining why I think this is happening.
I really couldn't disagree more. What makes CEVO's platform better? They picked up likeable community figures and made a league. I'm not sure if I heard correctly but a large piece of the prize pot came from nahanni's pocket. They aren't risking much on TF2, I'm willing to risk it all. I want you to tell me right now what you want me to do to improve ESEA TF2. I'm more than willing to have a discussion.[/quote]
I didn't say it was necessarily better. You sound blind sided by this paradigm shift even though it's been evolving for months. Like you (and a lot of the other ESEA supporters) didn't really believe that it might actually happen. Where were all of you when this conversation started? CEVO struck while the iron was hot and reaped the benefits. Now ESEA comes along months later and is surprised by it? That's what I don't understand, and that's the kind of aloofness that I think so many players chafe under.
Yea CEVOs s4 prize pot was funded largely by a couple members of the community. But that's part of the attraction isn't it? It feels good to be supporting ourselves. It reinforces the idea of a league for the players. I'm not saying CEVO will necessarily be better, but surely you can understand why people will think so.
I understand that TF2 is an insignificant part of ESEA, and that allowing us to play with them was generous. I don't blame ESEA for treating TF2 the way it does. As the TF2 community grew it was more or less inevitable that they'd want to break away.
I'm not talking about which league is better. I think that obviously the best solution is to play both for the time being. I'm just explaining why I think this is happening.
KillingNewbieMcNewbfaceKillingLet's do a fully charged. Where is Cbear at?
Are you going to have a discussion/debate with a cevo rep?
I'm in.
Well, if it happens, you got at least one viewer.
[quote=Killing][quote=NewbieMcNewbface][quote=Killing]Let's do a fully charged. Where is Cbear at?[/quote]
Are you going to have a discussion/debate with a cevo rep?[/quote]
I'm in.[/quote]
Well, if it happens, you got at least one viewer.
Are you going to have a discussion/debate with a cevo rep?[/quote]
I'm in.[/quote]
Well, if it happens, you got at least one viewer.
what killed TF2 was ipkane going nuts and handing out 10 yr bans without answering any questions about the malware client.
what killed TF2 was ipkane going nuts and handing out 10 yr bans without answering any questions about the malware client.
I'm confused, why haven't you done this earlier. If you had noticed that people were leaving, and slowly less support came to the ESEA league itself. Why didn't you try to promote ESEA a long time ago?
I'm confused, why haven't you done this earlier. If you had noticed that people were leaving, and slowly less support came to the ESEA league itself. Why didn't you try to promote ESEA a long time ago?
AllealKillingI really couldn't disagree more. What makes CEVO's platform better? They picked up likeable community figures and made a league. I'm not sure if I heard correctly but a large piece of the prize pot came from nahanni's pocket. They aren't risking much on TF2, I'm willing to risk it all. I want you to tell me right now what you want me to do to improve ESEA TF2. I'm more than willing to have a discussion.
I didn't say it was necessarily better. You sound blind sided by this paradigm shift even though it's been evolving for months. Like you (and a lot of the other ESEA supporters) didn't really believe that it might actually happen. Where were all of you when this conversation started? CEVO struck while the iron was hot and reaped the benefits. Now ESEA comes along months later and is surprised by it? That's what I don't understand, and that's the kind of aloofness that I think so many players chafe under.
Yea CEVOs s4 prize pot was funded largely by a couple members of the community. But that's part of the attraction isn't it? It feels good to be supporting ourselves. It reinforces the idea of a league for the players. I'm not saying CEVO will necessarily be better, but surely you can understand why people will think so.
I understand that TF2 is an insignificant part of ESEA, and that allowing us to play with them was generous. I don't blame ESEA for treating TF2 the way it does. As the TF2 community grew it was more or less inevitable that they'd want to break away.
I'm not talking about which league is better. I think that obviously the best solution is to play both for the time being. I'm just explaining why I think this is happening.
I'm not surprised at all. CEVO gave their piece, now I'm going to give mine. I've already have many people pm me saying they are going to either play both or switch. Unless CEVO doesn't allow refunds, we should all be on our merry way.
[quote=Alleal][quote=Killing]
I really couldn't disagree more. What makes CEVO's platform better? They picked up likeable community figures and made a league. I'm not sure if I heard correctly but a large piece of the prize pot came from nahanni's pocket. They aren't risking much on TF2, I'm willing to risk it all. I want you to tell me right now what you want me to do to improve ESEA TF2. I'm more than willing to have a discussion.[/quote]
I didn't say it was necessarily better. You sound blind sided by this paradigm shift even though it's been evolving for months. Like you (and a lot of the other ESEA supporters) didn't really believe that it might actually happen. Where were all of you when this conversation started? CEVO struck while the iron was hot and reaped the benefits. Now ESEA comes along months later and is surprised by it? That's what I don't understand, and that's the kind of aloofness that I think so many players chafe under.
Yea CEVOs s4 prize pot was funded largely by a couple members of the community. But that's part of the attraction isn't it? It feels good to be supporting ourselves. It reinforces the idea of a league for the players. I'm not saying CEVO will necessarily be better, but surely you can understand why people will think so.
I understand that TF2 is an insignificant part of ESEA, and that allowing us to play with them was generous. I don't blame ESEA for treating TF2 the way it does. As the TF2 community grew it was more or less inevitable that they'd want to break away.
I'm not talking about which league is better. I think that obviously the best solution is to play both for the time being. I'm just explaining why I think this is happening.[/quote]
I'm not surprised at all. CEVO gave their piece, now I'm going to give mine. I've already have many people pm me saying they are going to either play both or switch. Unless CEVO doesn't allow refunds, we should all be on our merry way.
I really couldn't disagree more. What makes CEVO's platform better? They picked up likeable community figures and made a league. I'm not sure if I heard correctly but a large piece of the prize pot came from nahanni's pocket. They aren't risking much on TF2, I'm willing to risk it all. I want you to tell me right now what you want me to do to improve ESEA TF2. I'm more than willing to have a discussion.[/quote]
I didn't say it was necessarily better. You sound blind sided by this paradigm shift even though it's been evolving for months. Like you (and a lot of the other ESEA supporters) didn't really believe that it might actually happen. Where were all of you when this conversation started? CEVO struck while the iron was hot and reaped the benefits. Now ESEA comes along months later and is surprised by it? That's what I don't understand, and that's the kind of aloofness that I think so many players chafe under.
Yea CEVOs s4 prize pot was funded largely by a couple members of the community. But that's part of the attraction isn't it? It feels good to be supporting ourselves. It reinforces the idea of a league for the players. I'm not saying CEVO will necessarily be better, but surely you can understand why people will think so.
I understand that TF2 is an insignificant part of ESEA, and that allowing us to play with them was generous. I don't blame ESEA for treating TF2 the way it does. As the TF2 community grew it was more or less inevitable that they'd want to break away.
I'm not talking about which league is better. I think that obviously the best solution is to play both for the time being. I'm just explaining why I think this is happening.[/quote]
I'm not surprised at all. CEVO gave their piece, now I'm going to give mine. I've already have many people pm me saying they are going to either play both or switch. Unless CEVO doesn't allow refunds, we should all be on our merry way.
GardaI'm confused, why haven't you done this earlier. If you had noticed that people were leaving, and slowly less support came to the ESEA league itself. Why didn't you try to promote ESEA a long time ago?
I was looking at alternate solution but I now feel this is the best path.
[quote=Garda]I'm confused, why haven't you done this earlier. If you had noticed that people were leaving, and slowly less support came to the ESEA league itself. Why didn't you try to promote ESEA a long time ago?[/quote]
I was looking at alternate solution but I now feel this is the best path.
I was looking at alternate solution but I now feel this is the best path.
Killingcozenhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlPtSA2f_ooDdDVwLTdDUk04SHFSWTZGcFVQNFl0a3c&usp=sharing#gid=0
This is of course not including LAN costs + server but I think you guys get the point.
What about benq? They must pay out a shit load of money to advertise on ESEA.
[quote=Killing][quote=cozen]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlPtSA2f_ooDdDVwLTdDUk04SHFSWTZGcFVQNFl0a3c&usp=sharing#gid=0[/quote]
This is of course not including LAN costs + server but I think you guys get the point.[/quote]
What about benq? They must pay out a shit load of money to advertise on ESEA.
This is of course not including LAN costs + server but I think you guys get the point.[/quote]
What about benq? They must pay out a shit load of money to advertise on ESEA.
DaggerKillingcozenhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlPtSA2f_ooDdDVwLTdDUk04SHFSWTZGcFVQNFl0a3c&usp=sharing#gid=0
This is of course not including LAN costs + server but I think you guys get the point.
What about benq? They must pay out a shit load of money to advertise on ESEA.
Well then we're talking about the entire ESEA organization and not solely about the league. There are a lot of things going on at once.
[quote=Dagger][quote=Killing][quote=cozen]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlPtSA2f_ooDdDVwLTdDUk04SHFSWTZGcFVQNFl0a3c&usp=sharing#gid=0[/quote]
This is of course not including LAN costs + server but I think you guys get the point.[/quote]
What about benq? They must pay out a shit load of money to advertise on ESEA.[/quote]
Well then we're talking about the entire ESEA organization and not solely about the league. There are a lot of things going on at once.
This is of course not including LAN costs + server but I think you guys get the point.[/quote]
What about benq? They must pay out a shit load of money to advertise on ESEA.[/quote]
Well then we're talking about the entire ESEA organization and not solely about the league. There are a lot of things going on at once.
DaggerKillingcozenhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlPtSA2f_ooDdDVwLTdDUk04SHFSWTZGcFVQNFl0a3c&usp=sharing#gid=0
This is of course not including LAN costs + server but I think you guys get the point.
What about benq? They must pay out a shit load of money to advertise on ESEA.
Are you serious? I hope not. They probably just donate the monitors for the tourney as promotion and that's it. I doubt ESEA even keeps ownership of the equipment...
[quote=Dagger][quote=Killing][quote=cozen]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlPtSA2f_ooDdDVwLTdDUk04SHFSWTZGcFVQNFl0a3c&usp=sharing#gid=0[/quote]
This is of course not including LAN costs + server but I think you guys get the point.[/quote]
What about benq? They must pay out a shit load of money to advertise on ESEA.[/quote]
Are you serious? I hope not. They probably just donate the monitors for the tourney as promotion and that's it. I doubt ESEA even keeps ownership of the equipment...
This is of course not including LAN costs + server but I think you guys get the point.[/quote]
What about benq? They must pay out a shit load of money to advertise on ESEA.[/quote]
Are you serious? I hope not. They probably just donate the monitors for the tourney as promotion and that's it. I doubt ESEA even keeps ownership of the equipment...
Killing- 2 3 month freemium codes
- 2 1 month freemium codes
Is this per team, or per player?
[quote=Killing]
- 2 3 month freemium codes
- 2 1 month freemium codes
[/quote]
Is this per team, or per player?
- 2 3 month freemium codes
- 2 1 month freemium codes
[/quote]
Is this per team, or per player?
GardaKilling- 2 3 month freemium codesIs this per team, or per player?
- 2 1 month freemium codes
Per team
[quote=Garda][quote=Killing]
- 2 3 month freemium codes
- 2 1 month freemium codes
[/quote]
Is this per team, or per player?[/quote]
Per team
- 2 3 month freemium codes
- 2 1 month freemium codes
[/quote]
Is this per team, or per player?[/quote]
Per team
NewbieMcNewbfaceKillingLet's do a fully charged. Where is Cbear at?
Are you going to have a discussion/debate with a cevo rep?
Killing/Lange Fully Charged?
[quote=NewbieMcNewbface][quote=Killing]Let's do a fully charged. Where is Cbear at?[/quote]
Are you going to have a discussion/debate with a cevo rep?[/quote]
Killing/Lange Fully Charged?
Are you going to have a discussion/debate with a cevo rep?[/quote]
Killing/Lange Fully Charged?
When I looked yesterday ESEA has 3 teams in open. Just looked again... 11.
Thank you for doing this promotion killing. It's great to give the newer teams a chane to play here without having to pay. It also effects all of the teams in the other divisions who have worked really hard to get where they are. Saving open saves us all.
When I looked yesterday ESEA has 3 teams in open. Just looked again... 11.
Thank you for doing this promotion killing. It's great to give the newer teams a chane to play here without having to pay. It also effects all of the teams in the other divisions who have worked really hard to get where they are. Saving open saves us all.
Thank you for doing this promotion killing. It's great to give the newer teams a chane to play here without having to pay. It also effects all of the teams in the other divisions who have worked really hard to get where they are. Saving open saves us all.
ThufirNewbieMcNewbfaceKillingLet's do a fully charged. Where is Cbear at?
Are you going to have a discussion/debate with a cevo rep?
Killing/Lange Fully Charged?
BOOK IT!
[quote=Thufir][quote=NewbieMcNewbface][quote=Killing]Let's do a fully charged. Where is Cbear at?[/quote]
Are you going to have a discussion/debate with a cevo rep?[/quote]
Killing/Lange Fully Charged?[/quote] BOOK IT!
Are you going to have a discussion/debate with a cevo rep?[/quote]
Killing/Lange Fully Charged?[/quote] BOOK IT!
thrasherWhen I looked yesterday ESEA has 3 teams in open. Just looked again... 11.
Thank you for doing this promotion killing. It's great to give the newer teams a chane to play here without having to pay. It also effects all of the teams in the other divisions who have worked really hard to get where they are.
Thats's not why he's doing it. He's doing it so that the TF2 league doesn't fold.
[quote=thrasher]When I looked yesterday ESEA has 3 teams in open. Just looked again... 11.
Thank you for doing this promotion killing. It's great to give the newer teams a chane to play here without having to pay. It also effects all of the teams in the other divisions who have worked really hard to get where they are.[/quote]
Thats's not why he's doing it. He's doing it so that the TF2 league doesn't fold.
Thank you for doing this promotion killing. It's great to give the newer teams a chane to play here without having to pay. It also effects all of the teams in the other divisions who have worked really hard to get where they are.[/quote]
Thats's not why he's doing it. He's doing it so that the TF2 league doesn't fold.
z4chthrasherWhen I looked yesterday ESEA has 3 teams in open. Just looked again... 11.Thats's not why he's doing it. He's doing it so that the TF2 league doesn't fold.
Thank you for doing this promotion killing. It's great to give the newer teams a chane to play here without having to pay. It also effects all of the teams in the other divisions who have worked really hard to get where they are.
Same thing
[quote=z4ch][quote=thrasher]When I looked yesterday ESEA has 3 teams in open. Just looked again... 11.
Thank you for doing this promotion killing. It's great to give the newer teams a chane to play here without having to pay. It also effects all of the teams in the other divisions who have worked really hard to get where they are.[/quote]
Thats's not why he's doing it. He's doing it so that the TF2 league doesn't fold.[/quote]
Same thing
Thank you for doing this promotion killing. It's great to give the newer teams a chane to play here without having to pay. It also effects all of the teams in the other divisions who have worked really hard to get where they are.[/quote]
Thats's not why he's doing it. He's doing it so that the TF2 league doesn't fold.[/quote]
Same thing
Killingz4chthrasherWhen I looked yesterday ESEA has 3 teams in open. Just looked again... 11.Thats's not why he's doing it. He's doing it so that the TF2 league doesn't fold.
Thank you for doing this promotion killing. It's great to give the newer teams a chane to play here without having to pay. It also effects all of the teams in the other divisions who have worked really hard to get where they are.
Same thing
I wouldn't say so but whatever.
[quote=Killing][quote=z4ch][quote=thrasher]When I looked yesterday ESEA has 3 teams in open. Just looked again... 11.
Thank you for doing this promotion killing. It's great to give the newer teams a chane to play here without having to pay. It also effects all of the teams in the other divisions who have worked really hard to get where they are.[/quote]
Thats's not why he's doing it. He's doing it so that the TF2 league doesn't fold.[/quote]
Same thing[/quote]
I wouldn't say so but whatever.
Thank you for doing this promotion killing. It's great to give the newer teams a chane to play here without having to pay. It also effects all of the teams in the other divisions who have worked really hard to get where they are.[/quote]
Thats's not why he's doing it. He's doing it so that the TF2 league doesn't fold.[/quote]
Same thing[/quote]
I wouldn't say so but whatever.
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