Is $10 a lot of money now?

movie tickets are $12.50 where I live. And not even for Imax.

So are we still arguing about people contributing their own money to influence more people to play TF2? :/

cevo and esea's moveup rules are almost identical. the only reason teams are just "getting in" to main this season because it's the first season. in cevo you are allowed to refuse a moveup and play in the same division again after winning it.

To be fair, i haven't made any attempt to be unbanned. Not that i'd expect to be even if i tried, i'm just sayin.

I want whats best for the game just like everyone else here. Cevo sign ups far exceeded anyone's expectations, and in doing so have set themselves up for a solid season after the current one. Let's stop the argument about "which league is better" as well as the hate for cevo, they're not doing anything wrong. If anything, the competition between the businesses will be good for the game. Support TF2, not a league. Do what's best for the game. I know that a lot of invite players only have incentive to play in esea, which is completely understandable, so do what you have to to keep that going, but in the end it's on esea and cevo to attract our business, not the other way around.

Edit: The 2nd portion of this post wasn't really directed at anyone, it's just a vibe i was feeling.

Why dont you guys pay for peoples league fees instead of giving money to winners that arent sandbagging? That would for sure get the season started.

Paying league fees does not give anyone an incentive to learn and improve and potentially stay more than one season.

I'll add you, my team could use a mentor. Still doing tryouts tho, but we have a sponsorship so once people join up we will have Money. not sandbaggers, I don't want ex invite players on my team.

I'm game. I've casted Lower level stuff and really enjoyed it!

Ideally, they'd be so satisfied with the quality and competition of ESEA when they played it for free that they would rather pay for another season of ESEA than go to the cheaper (and hypothetically inferior) alternative, CEVO.

The people you're begging to join ESEA aren't going to take top two in the div on their first season. They don't care about winning money, they just want to not be awful ugc shitties anymore. The players who stand a chance of placing high amidst all the sandbagging have already played several seasons of open and know the drill about fees. Or they're already firmly in the CEVO camp.

Anyway, the people who are going to take all of this donated money will just have a bunch of ex-im/main players on their roster and everyone knows it, lol.

now someone pay my league fees

etf2l is free; you're comparing apples and oranges here

no one is immune to DDoS attacks and any claim to the contrary is just an empty promise

that's completely untrue -- as far as I know, there are no restrictions of the sort

we choose to have the finals on the ESEA orange stream because ESEA takes care of the front-paging and also compensates the streamers/casters very well

As I've said in an other thread, the best way to investigate a "laggy" server, is to make a ticket, include the date / time / location / server #, and the people will investigate. Let us help you with that, but we need a track of these things. Messaging an admin directly won't make it go away, we need the specialists to investigate it, and get the "problem" fixed.

I'm not "begging" anyone to join. I'm inspiring competition. And how the hell do you know who is going to win? Lots of practice over the course of an 8 week season together could easily make one team dominate over another in that division. This game isn't hard, it's about dm, coordination, teamwork and timing.

In all fairness, I'm sure he's talking about some sort of DDoS mitigation to be in place.

this is pathetic

Morningfox stop being so edgy please

Why do you post under an alt anyway Morningfox?

Why do you post anyway blinK?

Shooter first off thanks for communicating in a place where I won't get banned for having unfavorable positions. Also looks like your answers have been fair and unbiased. I assume esea is a business and not a charity and therefore is for profit. If esea does not make money on TF2 then why do you have it? Why do you keep raising prices? Why did YOU finally come to this site to alleviate some concerns? And finally it's my experience that esea doesn't give a shit, why are shits being given now? Especially if your for profit business doesn't profit off of OUR TF2 community.

The difference is that CEVO seems to (so far) be willing to change rules to better accommodate us. It also seems that Lange has A LOT of say when it comes to how CEVO TF2 is run. Contrast that with ESEA which is extremely rigid (the debacle with pure's team comes to mind) and shows no signs of changing its rigidity. Moreover Killing has basically no say about what goes on in ESEA TF2 besides which teams get into Invite. Pipher's already stated that he'll move teams up based on merit and I believe he has said that entry tournaments ETF2L style are possible.

I know but $15 is not a lot of money. I'm not sure if ETF2L provides servers, but assuming not, $15 is only about the cost of a server per month which every other team would have to buy. ESEA is still relatively expensive compared to CEVO wjile offering little to no extra value.

It could have been the attacker's intention to have us play off client for whatever reason but it seems telling that the first private server we tried wasn't affected one time in the 2.5-3 hours that we played on it. Even if other servers are not completely immune, they can be harder to attack, no?

Alright, my bad for assuming. Still, it takes publicity away from TF.TV's twitch and brings it to an otherwise dormant channel which seems counterproductive to me which is why I didn't assume it was your choice.

How did this thread even get to this point?

everyone speaks their mind and nobody changes theirs

just let whatever happens happen bitches

when was it posted that esea doesnt make a profit off of tf2? i hope it wasnt that article from 2009.

I am not playing in ESEA this season. Our team in IM last season moved up to Main for this season but we decided to part ways and most of us are playing on different teams or not playing at all. This issue is irrelevant to the bigger picture.

I am not mad, but I am glad you responded with yet another irrelevant point.

Plat and harb are pretty big for the 'face' of TF2. They are well known representatives, especially with their LAN success within ESEA and in Europe. I specifically targeted plat and harb for being two faced within the community (or lack thereof).

Another irrelevant point. Does everyone forget how much scrutiny ESEA was undergoing after the client/bitcoin scandal? Threads made by multiple people stating how we should be done with ESEA, and everyone +fragging it non-stop. Everyone was for CEVO, except for the 'top' of Invite, such as mix^. Throughout this process, I had a argument with harbleu regarding lower level players gaining recognition, especially for how much they have contributed to Invite/LAN/etc... And I stated we are a community based game that helps each other out. I gave the link to that thread in my initial post of this thread. Now, when it came down to ESEA about to fail as a league, the 'recognition' for lower level players has immediately made an 180. Plat can claim he is doing this for selfless reasons but that is completely invalid and he essentially conceded that point, followed by an invalid analogous statement regarding donations.

your supposed 'charitable act' is about as genuine as this statement. I assume your post was to stroke your ego by predicting +frags because you are an Invite, which is the criteria for TFTV, irrespective of the ignorance. Maybe you should stop drinking and driving, stop playing TF2, get your life together and stop trolling for circle jerk recognition.

http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/15339-esea-season-starting-soon-lets-talk/4#post-99

the entire basis of your posts seem to be just personal attacks on character. i'm going to ask you once nicely to stop.

then you shouldn't be posting in this thread and instead complaining about ESEA in one of the 50 other threads out there

if you knew them at all, you'd know that they're two of the most forthright people in this community with their opinions. why are you attempting to make character judgement about people you've never interacted with before?

Whatever else you could say about Harbleu and Platinum I think it's obvious to everyone that these guys have a love for competition that rivals just about anybody's; is it really that unreasonable that they would want other people to have an opportunity to experience that same drive to succeed? If it happens to benefit them as well, awesome.

You can't make assumptions about their motivations like that if you don't know them; however, if you were to assume, I think the above is much more reasonable and makes more sense than both of them somehow being "two-faced" and only concerned with their own benefit to the exclusion of all else.

yo shocka shut the fuck up dude

Ya, you guys didn't care

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