I know thave been posting in this subthread a lot, but I swear, this is the last time(hopefully). I want to stream and have two builds, but dont know which one to choose. These are the two. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3Na35 (AMD) and http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3MBoH (intel).
intel > amd in almost everything id go with the one with the i5
If it's a new rig, might as well just get the haswell 4th gen. Haswell uses a different socket type than Ivy/sandy bridge with similar specs so that's why a lot of people aren't upgrading to one, but if you're getting a new motherboard anyway might as well go for it imo.
You can probably get win7 off reddit or something cheaper or so I've heard. Or see if your university or your friends' universities offer free win7. I know my school does that.
If you're gonna spend like $200 on a monitor, might as well go for a 120-144hz imo. Unless you really want a 27" one.
Also go for the intel build, the raw power of the cpu is better than what the 8 core AMD can really get you.
You can probably get win7 off reddit or something cheaper or so I've heard. Or see if your university or your friends' universities offer free win7. I know my school does that.
If you're gonna spend like $200 on a monitor, might as well go for a 120-144hz imo. Unless you really want a 27" one.
Also go for the intel build, the raw power of the cpu is better than what the 8 core AMD can really get you.
sky_If it's a new rig, might as well just get the haswell 4th gen. Haswell uses a different socket type than Ivy/sandy bridge with similar specs so that's why a lot of people aren't upgrading to one, but if you're getting a new motherboard anyway might as well go for it imo.
You can probably get win7 off reddit or something cheaper or so I've heard. Or see if your university or your friends' universities offer free win7. I know my school does that.
If you're gonna spend like $200 on a monitor, might as well go for a 120-144hz imo. Unless you really want a 27" one.
Ive been trying to find a Cheap 120hz for under $200 I don't really see a need for me to get the 144 hz at the moment.
You can probably get win7 off reddit or something cheaper or so I've heard. Or see if your university or your friends' universities offer free win7. I know my school does that.
If you're gonna spend like $200 on a monitor, might as well go for a 120-144hz imo. Unless you really want a 27" one.[/quote]
Ive been trying to find a Cheap 120hz for under $200 I don't really see a need for me to get the 144 hz at the moment.
Also, you don't need quad channel memory for 8GB. Just get a 2x4 kit
Oblivionageintel > amd in almost everything id go with the one with the i5
Sounds like FUD. Can you back this claim up at all?
Sounds like FUD. Can you back this claim up at all?
the i5 has stronger cores and that is more important for gaming. it does not matter if the amd has more cores its core for core performance is shit and most people agree. rays has one and he'd vouch for me on this one. Especially for tf2 (a game that uses no more than 2 cores) it is so useless to have 8 cores. the i5 is fine for streaming too. just look it up dude theres like 50 threads on this forum about this type of shit
Oblivionagethe i5 has stronger cores and that is more important for gaming. it does not matter if the amd has more cores its core for core performance is shit and most people agree. rays has one and he'd vouch for me on this one. Especially for tf2 (a game that uses no more than 2 cores) it is so useless to have 8 cores. the i5 is fine for streaming too. just look it up dude theres like 50 threads on this forum about this type of shit
Just because AMDs underperform for the single use case of TF2 (which happens to be applicable to rays because he streams TF2 and plays it competitively) doesn't mean that they're shit for every use case. In fact, other than TF2, the AMD is a nearly universally better choice.
Just because AMDs underperform for the single use case of TF2 (which happens to be applicable to rays because he streams TF2 and plays it competitively) doesn't mean that they're shit for every use case. In fact, other than TF2, the AMD is a nearly universally better choice.
Fayng is asking for a better streaming pc, so he'd probably want intel over AMD because of the better single core performance
no it is not kuni i dont know where you got that information from. No game uses more than 4 cores dude and intel's cpus easily performs better in said games as well as benchmarks.
Oblivionageno it is not kuni i dont know where you got that information from. No game uses more than 4 cores dude and intel's cpus easily performs better in said games as well as benchmarks.
I watched a video actually comparing the 2 processors, and while streaming the AMD outperformed the intel, but all of the high quality pc gaming streams use intel, and everyone else recommeneds intel. Which would be better for games like Titanfall, CS:GO, and TF2?
I watched a video actually comparing the 2 processors, and while streaming the AMD outperformed the intel, but all of the high quality pc gaming streams use intel, and everyone else recommeneds intel. Which would be better for games like Titanfall, CS:GO, and TF2?
FayngOblivionageno it is not kuni i dont know where you got that information from. No game uses more than 4 cores dude and intel's cpus easily performs better in said games as well as benchmarks.I watched a video actually comparing the 2 processors, and while streaming the AMD outperformed the intel, but all of the high quality pc gaming streams use intel, and everyone else recommeneds intel. Which would be better for games like Titanfall, CS:GO, and TF2?
Intel would definitely be better for tf2 and CS:GO, not sure about titanfall though it is still on the source engine. For the most part source games run on few cores (not utilizing say all 8 cores of an fx 8350) and favor intel.
For the 144hz monitor I personally would just say get cheaper ram and cut out the SSD or something to save up for the 144hz. Even getting a non-overclockable cpu and stock cooler IMO would be worth it, unless you absolutely need the top framerate on every game. 144hz is so much better than 60 :)
I watched a video actually comparing the 2 processors, and while streaming the AMD outperformed the intel, but all of the high quality pc gaming streams use intel, and everyone else recommeneds intel. Which would be better for games like Titanfall, CS:GO, and TF2?[/quote]
Intel would definitely be better for tf2 and CS:GO, not sure about titanfall though it is still on the source engine. For the most part source games run on few cores (not utilizing say all 8 cores of an fx 8350) and favor intel.
For the 144hz monitor I personally would just say get cheaper ram and cut out the SSD or something to save up for the 144hz. Even getting a non-overclockable cpu and stock cooler IMO would be worth it, unless you absolutely need the top framerate on every game. 144hz is so much better than 60 :)
for the intel build, since that is the only one worth looking at since amd is shit
-dont get deathadder, but out of all the razor products, if you must, get that one
-dont get that monitor, and dont get a monitor of that size
-dont get that cpu, the 4th(yours is 3rd)gen with the same exact ghz is 30 bucks less
-dont get that keyboard, youll learn later in life taht steel series products arent all that they are worth
-the ssd is nice, tho i would get a sandisk imo
-the motherboard is fine, tho i would get a ASUS M5A97 R2.0 AM3+ it is less, and works just as fine
-i also wouldnt pay for windows, i would take the disk image from your current pc and use that instead
i would also probably borrow thermal paste from a friend so i didnt have to pay for it, hope this helps a little bit
-dont get deathadder, but out of all the razor products, if you must, get that one
-dont get that monitor, and dont get a monitor of that size
-dont get that cpu, the 4th(yours is 3rd)gen with the same exact ghz is 30 bucks less
-dont get that keyboard, youll learn later in life taht steel series products arent all that they are worth
-the ssd is nice, tho i would get a sandisk imo
-the motherboard is fine, tho i would get a ASUS M5A97 R2.0 AM3+ it is less, and works just as fine
-i also wouldnt pay for windows, i would take the disk image from your current pc and use that instead
i would also probably borrow thermal paste from a friend so i didnt have to pay for it, hope this helps a little bit
empty_setOblivionageintel > amd in almost everything id go with the one with the i5Sounds like FUD. Can you back this claim up at all?
i can, amd claims they have like 6, 8, and 12 core processors, but first, intel's cores have like double the power per core, and they have hyper threading, so in theory it seems like they have double the cores, so a quad core sudddenly became and octocore, also, in most of todays games, they only recognize up to 4 physical cores, anything after that is useless. as for gpu's, ever notice how stabby claims that in tf2, you will never get a solid 200+fps average on tf2, even tho he uses a config equivelant to chris' high frames, many people say that lod tweak helps too, but it has been proven to only improve about 3 fps, compare that to people like star who doesnt even use a config and gets 400-500 fps on average, and people like leptir who uses dx9frames config and gets 300-400, and others. They all use nvidia. Stabby uses amd. Hell im on a laptop and getting near 200 average fps and im using intel hd 4400 4th gen graphics without a config
Sounds like FUD. Can you back this claim up at all?[/quote]
i can, amd claims they have like 6, 8, and 12 core processors, but first, intel's cores have like double the power per core, and they have hyper threading, so in theory it seems like they have double the cores, so a quad core sudddenly became and octocore, also, in most of todays games, they only recognize up to 4 physical cores, anything after that is useless. as for gpu's, ever notice how stabby claims that in tf2, you will never get a solid 200+fps average on tf2, even tho he uses a config equivelant to chris' high frames, many people say that lod tweak helps too, but it has been proven to only improve about 3 fps, compare that to people like star who doesnt even use a config and gets 400-500 fps on average, and people like leptir who uses dx9frames config and gets 300-400, and others. They all use nvidia. Stabby uses amd. Hell im on a laptop and getting near 200 average fps and im using intel hd 4400 4th gen graphics without a config
brandbrand-dont get deathadder, but out of all the razor products, if you must, get that one
This is really just personal preference. Many people hate the drivers, but I'm fine with them and I love everything else about my DA 2013.
Some people prefer a simple Microsoft WMO, and that's perfectly fine.
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This is really just personal preference. Many people hate the drivers, but I'm fine with them and I love everything else about my DA 2013.
Some people prefer a simple Microsoft WMO, and that's perfectly fine.
If you plan on doing things like video rendering and streaming in higher quality the 8350's extra cores will do you good.
However the 3570k will benefit you more if you plan on only playing games. Simply because most games don't support 8 physical cores anyways which means more powerful cores in a smaller quantity will run smoother.
It's personal preference, the raw cpu power difference isn't that large between both processors really. They are both great cpu's and where one cpu has an advantage the other one is very close behind.
Might as well also mention I have a very similar rig to the AMD one. The FX 8350 was cheaper and I tried to fit as much goodies as possible into my budget when buying my own parts. I would probably have gone for the 3570k since it suits my everyday computer usage better but I decided to save myself a good 70$ back then and instead get a better GPU.
However the 3570k will benefit you more if you plan on only playing games. Simply because most games don't support 8 physical cores anyways which means more powerful cores in a smaller quantity will run smoother.
It's personal preference, the raw cpu power difference isn't that large between both processors really. They are both great cpu's and where one cpu has an advantage the other one is very close behind.
Might as well also mention I have a very similar rig to the AMD one. The FX 8350 was cheaper and I tried to fit as much goodies as possible into my budget when buying my own parts. I would probably have gone for the 3570k since it suits my everyday computer usage better but I decided to save myself a good 70$ back then and instead get a better GPU.
Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE
[*] Don't go with only a 600w PSU...you'll hate yourself for it in the long run; I've built multiple systems with the Corsair HX850w and haven't had a single issue. If you stay with the 600w, just beware, you'll need to upgrade soon
[*] I've got that monitor on another build at my house, good choice on it. No issues with it thus far
[*] Since you're going with a K series intel chip, I would suggest you get a better cooler (assuming you'd overclock, otherwise there's no point in getting a K chip) and some better thermal compound (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835209053 ; it costs 2x as much but you'll get better temps + heat dissipation)
[*] While I'm no expert on SSDs, I'm not 100% sure about the kingston ones, if you have any doubt: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147247 (used it on 3 systems, not a single flaw on any of them)
Aside from that, good build choices. I'd personally just go with the intel one because having 8 cores is kinda useless unless you do video encoding. Plus, seeing that you're going with a K series chip, I'd assume you'd want to overclock?
Biggest issue is see is your power supply; that's the last thing you'd want to cheap out on, because you're riding too close to the minimum psu requirement.
[*] I've got that monitor on another build at my house, good choice on it. No issues with it thus far
[*] Since you're going with a K series intel chip, I would suggest you get a better cooler (assuming you'd overclock, otherwise there's no point in getting a K chip) and some better thermal compound (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835209053 ; it costs 2x as much but you'll get better temps + heat dissipation)
[*] While I'm no expert on SSDs, I'm not 100% sure about the kingston ones, if you have any doubt: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147247 (used it on 3 systems, not a single flaw on any of them)
Aside from that, good build choices. I'd personally just go with the intel one because having 8 cores is kinda useless unless you do video encoding. Plus, seeing that you're going with a K series chip, I'd assume you'd want to overclock?
Biggest issue is see is your power supply; that's the last thing you'd want to cheap out on, because you're riding too close to the minimum psu requirement.
hookybrandbrand-dont get deathadder, but out of all the razor products, if you must, get that oneThis is really just personal preference. Many people hate the drivers, but I'm fine with them and I love everything else about my DA 2013.
Some people prefer a simple Microsoft WMO, and that's perfectly fine.
like, i agree that the DA 2013 ONLY is definetely the best way to go if you go through razor, but please, there are so many better options, i think that new, super amazing logitech, the one with the best sensor, but is heavy, and the scroll wheel becuz is metal jiggles, i think it is the g502? something like that, like i agree the hardware is definetely up to you, but i mean, i just dont think razor products are worth what you pay for
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This is really just personal preference. Many people hate the drivers, but I'm fine with them and I love everything else about my DA 2013.
Some people prefer a simple Microsoft WMO, and that's perfectly fine.[/quote]
like, i agree that the DA 2013 ONLY is definetely the best way to go if you go through razor, but please, there are so many better options, i think that new, super amazing logitech, the one with the best sensor, but is heavy, and the scroll wheel becuz is metal jiggles, i think it is the g502? something like that, like i agree the hardware is definetely up to you, but i mean, i just dont think razor products are worth what you pay for
Dave_[*] Don't go with only a 600w PSU...you'll hate yourself for it in the long run; I've built multiple systems with the Corsair HX850w and haven't had a single issue. If you stay with the 600w, just beware, you'll need to upgrade soon
[*] I've got that monitor on another build at my house, good choice on it. No issues with it thus far
[*] Since you're going with a K series intel chip, I would suggest you get a better cooler (assuming you'd overclock, otherwise there's no point in getting a K chip) and some better thermal compound (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835209053 ; it costs 2x as much but you'll get better temps + heat dissipation)
[*] While I'm no expert on SSDs, I'm not 100% sure about the kingston ones, if you have any doubt: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147247 (used it on 3 systems, not a single flaw on any of them)
Aside from that, good build choices. I'd personally just go with the intel one because having 8 cores is kinda useless unless you do video encoding. Plus, seeing that you're going with a K series chip, I'd assume you'd want to overclock?
Biggest issue is see is your power supply; that's the last thing you'd want to cheap out on, because you're riding too close to the minimum psu requirement.
about the chip, like i said, over clocking is cool, if you know what your doing, if you dont, maybe go get some help from someone, tbh tho at that speed, overclocking isnt as important. but i seriously do reccomend you get the 4th get chip, as it is cheaper, and newer so
[*] I've got that monitor on another build at my house, good choice on it. No issues with it thus far
[*] Since you're going with a K series intel chip, I would suggest you get a better cooler (assuming you'd overclock, otherwise there's no point in getting a K chip) and some better thermal compound (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835209053 ; it costs 2x as much but you'll get better temps + heat dissipation)
[*] While I'm no expert on SSDs, I'm not 100% sure about the kingston ones, if you have any doubt: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147247 (used it on 3 systems, not a single flaw on any of them)
Aside from that, good build choices. I'd personally just go with the intel one because having 8 cores is kinda useless unless you do video encoding. Plus, seeing that you're going with a K series chip, I'd assume you'd want to overclock?
Biggest issue is see is your power supply; that's the last thing you'd want to cheap out on, because you're riding too close to the minimum psu requirement.[/quote]
about the chip, like i said, over clocking is cool, if you know what your doing, if you dont, maybe go get some help from someone, tbh tho at that speed, overclocking isnt as important. but i seriously do reccomend you get the 4th get chip, as it is cheaper, and newer so
brandbrandhookylike, i agree that the DA 2013 ONLY is definetely the best way to go if you go through razor, but please, there are so many better options, i think that new, super amazing logitech, the one with the best sensor, but is heavy, and the scroll wheel becuz is metal jiggles, i think it is the g502? something like that, like i agree the hardware is definetely up to you, but i mean, i just dont think razor products are worth what you pay forbrandbrand-dont get deathadder, but out of all the razor products, if you must, get that oneThis is really just personal preference. Many people hate the drivers, but I'm fine with them and I love everything else about my DA 2013.
Some people prefer a simple Microsoft WMO, and that's perfectly fine.
I got it for like $40 on Black Friday though. MSRP is only about $10 more than the G400s, and they have similar sensors.
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This is really just personal preference. Many people hate the drivers, but I'm fine with them and I love everything else about my DA 2013.
Some people prefer a simple Microsoft WMO, and that's perfectly fine.[/quote]
like, i agree that the DA 2013 ONLY is definetely the best way to go if you go through razor, but please, there are so many better options, i think that new, super amazing logitech, the one with the best sensor, but is heavy, and the scroll wheel becuz is metal jiggles, i think it is the g502? something like that, like i agree the hardware is definetely up to you, but i mean, i just dont think razor products are worth what you pay for[/quote]
I got it for like $40 on Black Friday though. MSRP is only about $10 more than the G400s, and they have similar sensors.
hookybrandbrandI got it for like $40 on Black Friday though. MSRP is only about $10 more than the G400s, and they have similar sensors.hookylike, i agree that the DA 2013 ONLY is definetely the best way to go if you go through razor, but please, there are so many better options, i think that new, super amazing logitech, the one with the best sensor, but is heavy, and the scroll wheel becuz is metal jiggles, i think it is the g502? something like that, like i agree the hardware is definetely up to you, but i mean, i just dont think razor products are worth what you pay forbrandbrand-dont get deathadder, but out of all the razor products, if you must, get that oneThis is really just personal preference. Many people hate the drivers, but I'm fine with them and I love everything else about my DA 2013.
Some people prefer a simple Microsoft WMO, and that's perfectly fine.
see, now if the DA was 30-40$ i would have no problem with it, it would be totally worth it, the g400's are ok, but apprently the new 80$ g502 i believe is the name, is quite impressive
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This is really just personal preference. Many people hate the drivers, but I'm fine with them and I love everything else about my DA 2013.
Some people prefer a simple Microsoft WMO, and that's perfectly fine.[/quote]
like, i agree that the DA 2013 ONLY is definetely the best way to go if you go through razor, but please, there are so many better options, i think that new, super amazing logitech, the one with the best sensor, but is heavy, and the scroll wheel becuz is metal jiggles, i think it is the g502? something like that, like i agree the hardware is definetely up to you, but i mean, i just dont think razor products are worth what you pay for[/quote]
I got it for like $40 on Black Friday though. MSRP is only about $10 more than the G400s, and they have similar sensors.[/quote]
see, now if the DA was 30-40$ i would have no problem with it, it would be totally worth it, the g400's are ok, but apprently the new 80$ g502 i believe is the name, is quite impressive
id say most of the problems i see with your setup is just the hardware,
the biggest issue is the keyboard, steel series products are pretty shitty in general, and being a semi mechanical keyboard enthusiast myself, i feel like there are many much better options, and for cheaper too. I personally prefer keyboards like this https://www.google.com/search?q=kbt+race+le&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=mg58U9_zCuLgsATo6YDgDQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1366&bih=643 forgot the official name for that type of keyboard. I suggest you look into mech keyboards a bit more. The monitor you want is ok at best, personally, i suggest you get a benq, if not get TLR's LG, there are a few others i recommend, but not that particular model. I would also suggest getting a 23incher, less screen to load = better frame rate, also its been proven that a smaller resolution increases your accuracy, and i promise that you will barely notice the screen resolution change.
other then that tho, pretty solid internal parts, just i promise use intel and nvidia, even when on a budget, its worth the money to even wait if you have too, just trust me
the biggest issue is the keyboard, steel series products are pretty shitty in general, and being a semi mechanical keyboard enthusiast myself, i feel like there are many much better options, and for cheaper too. I personally prefer keyboards like this https://www.google.com/search?q=kbt+race+le&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=mg58U9_zCuLgsATo6YDgDQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1366&bih=643 forgot the official name for that type of keyboard. I suggest you look into mech keyboards a bit more. The monitor you want is ok at best, personally, i suggest you get a benq, if not get TLR's LG, there are a few others i recommend, but not that particular model. I would also suggest getting a 23incher, less screen to load = better frame rate, also its been proven that a smaller resolution increases your accuracy, and i promise that you will barely notice the screen resolution change.
other then that tho, pretty solid internal parts, just i promise use intel and nvidia, even when on a budget, its worth the money to even wait if you have too, just trust me