That would be really fun to watch, also it may give an idea of how people would play it differently

Yeah, I think it'll be very likely that I'll put it in the map pool.

go go, yukon for president!

Welp looks like I wasted a year of my life trying to fix warmfront. To bad guess I should have tried yukon.

It's not a waste if you apply the skills you learned from fixing Warmfront into improving current maps or making new ones.

Try making a night version of Badlands, everything is better at night.

I'd literally cup and massage the balls of Permizilla if we had this in ETF2L

look out guys he might quit mapping again because mustard doesnt like his map

when did I quit the first time?

http://teamfortress.tv/thread/11032/cp-warmerfront/?page=4#112
"at this point I give up. this is not worth the amount of grief that I am getting"

I seriously doubt that "bringing back" old maps will ever work, even more so if they are already stock maps implemented by valve as it will be near impossible to get updates to them. If we want good maps we should be focusing on the maps that are still in development so we don't end up with a million maps that everybody hates but nobody gave feedback to make them better. Sunshine has serious potential but people still almost refuse to play it despite it being in for 2 seasons. The same could be said about Metalworks and they're both getting little to no feedback besides "map is shit" and surprisingly enough that's actually not useful feedback. I think if people started playing new maps more consistently from earlier stages and finding out problems early in development most mappers would be more than willing to fix them, but when people pretty much completely ignore a map until it's in rotation and then complain about it we're not going to accomplish much. Personally I would really like to see more new KOTH maps being play-tested as I think it's one of the most interesting gamemodes to play as well as watch and just 1 week of Viaduct doesn't seem to do it justice in my opinion.

cp_yukon last will always be miserable

i'd rather see a map like cp_logjam or something similar. i really liked what happened with sunshine, where the map maker was actively working on the project and moving the map along with suggestions from the community. yukon was a great map in its time, but we're probably better off moving toward a map with more developmental support.

logjam might not be ready for s18 though, but i heard it's close to completion.

close to completion? i hope not x_X

Yeah that was me giving up on changing mid on warmerfront, because for a period of 3 months nothing then all the sudden I was killing the greatest map. I am sorry that I learned my lesson and now wait on feedback to make change. oh well back to half court sd.

I'd avoid this because if it isn't in the season then no one will practice it before lan. Same reasoning we haven't had gpit etc at i-series despite a fair amount of demand since it was removed from the league map pools.

Logjam probably won't be ready for S18, I'm going to get feedback from the ETF2L guys in their S19 to try and make it the best for hopefully ESEA S19... the Euros are brave and are going to try a beta map in the season. Logjam's not quite fixed in it's layout yet, so I wouldn't want to let to see it get thrown in for a season and then die because people hate it without realizing that I give a shit about my maps.

And mustard, if you're talking about a map I made that's a complete disaster, you're thinking of Intermodal... yuck, lol

So I'm not the only one who loves yukon? yay

I'm gonna be honest here. I think yukon is a terrible map.

It would be a great map if pushing last didn't suck so hard.

I actually wish someone would just select a rectangle around last right before the point and right before the entrances into last, and just press delete.
It could totally be reworked, come on.

And sunshine isn't a shitty map, and dm fests allow for crazy plays. However, there are issues with it, but as far as a map, it is beautiful, it plays very nicely at each stage, and just needs logistical things changed so the game's flow is better.

I like the idea of removing granary for a season though.

why do people hate granary

I hate yukon because of the ways it's different from other maps but I would not dislike playing it occasionally. I mean, I don't play in league, but if it's in league it'll end up in pugs.

If anyone wants a yukon pro and has specific suggestions I'm willing to make modifications for testing.

basically the things that are blatantly wrong in the map are:
1) the skyboxes are fucking low, like you can literally rocket jump on second point from the roof, and hit the skybox...
2) all 3 entrances on last are 2 miles away from the actual CP, that makes it really hard to push because there is no element of surprise since you see the attackers really early.

there might be a bit more that i cant remember since i last played it in like 2011 or something, but these 2 things are a big problem about the map atm...

1st of all, I wouldnt mind yukon honestly. Some of the choke points need a little work/opened up. But overall the map is fun. Oh almost forgot it is a sniper heaven (whole map...). So site lines need to be worked on a bit. Not sure if that is a possible reason why it was taken away from the map pool.

What do people think about sunshine after playing 2 whole seasons of it? Would people be open to replacing it for this? Or would a different map be taken out?

Would love to see both yukon and waste both back in rotation.

Yukon is a fantastic map. Drop metalworks for Yukon and we're good.

i actually just checked yukon again, and the skyboxes appear to be a lot higher than i remembered, found some cheeky sneaky spots tho, if somebody does bother to make a pro version of the map, let me know ill post the sp0ts.

yukon needs to be brought back to life, the only reason people despised it so much at the time is because our whitelist for esea was a joke, things like mini sentry or going back to double heavies, natascha etc. none of that is an issue anymore

Please vote out metalworks and not sunshine

I will buy premium to vote in Yukon.