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kuzaJust to clear up my own reading into this, but Smakers, do you believe being gay is a "choice"?
I am not a geneticist. I'm not going to pretend to know the ins and outs of the human genome and what is or is not possible. Personal thoughts on the matter? I think there are 3 types of homosexuals.
1. People who are born with an uncontrollable propensity to be homosexual. These people probably have zero choice in the matter.
2. I think that there are people who were born as any typical heterosexual, but have become homosexual through social engineering, whether it was consciously or subconsciously. Maybe they were raised in predominantly homosexual areas, or were around prominent homosexuals that influenced their lifestyles and behaviors, or something else entirely.
3. Fad homosexuals. I have no doubt that there are some people who are not intrinsically homosexual, but they have adopted a homosexual lifestyle as a way to bring attention to themselves.
So, to directly answer your question, yes, for some people.
[quote=kuza]Just to clear up my own reading into this, but Smakers, do you believe being gay is a "choice"?[/quote]
I am not a geneticist. I'm not going to pretend to know the ins and outs of the human genome and what is or is not possible. Personal thoughts on the matter? I think there are 3 types of homosexuals.
1. People who are born with an uncontrollable propensity to be homosexual. These people probably have zero choice in the matter.
2. I think that there are people who were born as any typical heterosexual, but have become homosexual through social engineering, whether it was consciously or subconsciously. Maybe they were raised in predominantly homosexual areas, or were around prominent homosexuals that influenced their lifestyles and behaviors, or something else entirely.
3. Fad homosexuals. I have no doubt that there are some people who are not intrinsically homosexual, but they have adopted a homosexual lifestyle as a way to bring attention to themselves.
So, to directly answer your question, yes, for some people.
I am not a geneticist. I'm not going to pretend to know the ins and outs of the human genome and what is or is not possible. Personal thoughts on the matter? I think there are 3 types of homosexuals.
1. People who are born with an uncontrollable propensity to be homosexual. These people probably have zero choice in the matter.
2. I think that there are people who were born as any typical heterosexual, but have become homosexual through social engineering, whether it was consciously or subconsciously. Maybe they were raised in predominantly homosexual areas, or were around prominent homosexuals that influenced their lifestyles and behaviors, or something else entirely.
3. Fad homosexuals. I have no doubt that there are some people who are not intrinsically homosexual, but they have adopted a homosexual lifestyle as a way to bring attention to themselves.
So, to directly answer your question, yes, for some people.
Snowdream, I think you misinterpreted the photos. I was indicating that I fell victim to the bait. :-|
I was going to let it go after mustard's post, but ya done got me riled up and ready for drama.
yankeesex is biological, gender is a social construct. i don't see how you could construe yourself as the victim in this situation when all you're being asked is to show someone a modicum of respect by using pronoun that they identify as.
mustardoverlordthe problem is, you are objectively wrong about the definition of gender, because you are confusing gender with sex.
if you don't know how being transgender works or dont know what a specific person is or what pronoun they prefer, an LGBT person harassing you for your ignorance is a double-standard. however, if you recognize the way they see themself and still refer to them by the WRONG pronoun based on the biological fallacy, you are a bigot.
OK, I did incorrectly refer to 'actual gender' vs 'preferred gender' when, by today's dictionary definitions, I should have referred to sex vs gender. I'm not necessarily calling myself a victim; I'm merely pointing out how contradictory it is to push for LGBT acceptance and equality while simultaneously squandering the beliefs of those who aren't like-minded.
e.g. Colonel Mustard believes that homosexuality shouldn't be shunned, but homosexuals should be treated as equals in the eyes of the public/government/etc. Professor Plum believes homosexuality is biologically incorrect and doesn't agree with its acceptance. Colonel Mustard then shuns Professor Plum and calls him a bigot for having a different belief system. It doesn't matter what you believe, you should accept the other person and their beliefs without shunning them. Calling someone a bigot because you disagree with their beliefs makes you, by definition, a bigot. Unfortunately, this scenario is more than common in the LGBT movement.
I have a very definite belief system and mason is right, I am stubborn with them. I don't agree with homosexuality as a lifestyle, but I am more than tolerant of it. I accept it, and I don't think less of those who are homosexual. I don't treat them any differently. I absolutely think they should have the same rights as heterosexuals.
I feel much the same about transgendered people. They should have the same rights and be treated the same.
On the other hand, let's say that I meet a person on the street with an unmistakably feminine gender identity and I fall in love with her. Some time passes and I find out she is biologically male, has a penis, and has been dishonest the entire time. Moving forward, during interactions with this person, am I supposed to use the pronouns she and her? No. It's clearly a man, and therefore will be referred to as such. Granted, that's an extreme example, but it's just an illustration. It's not about respect or bigotry.
Snowdream, I think you misinterpreted the photos. I was indicating that [i]I[/i] fell victim to the bait. :-|
I was going to let it go after mustard's post, but ya done got me riled up and ready for drama.
[quote=yankee]
sex is biological, gender is a social construct. i don't see how you could construe yourself as the victim in this situation when all you're being asked is to show someone a modicum of respect by using pronoun that they identify as.[/quote]
[quote=mustardoverlord]
the problem is, you are objectively wrong about the definition of gender, because you are confusing gender with sex.
if you don't know how being transgender works or dont know what a specific person is or what pronoun they prefer, an LGBT person harassing you for your ignorance is a double-standard. however, if you recognize the way they see themself and still refer to them by the WRONG pronoun based on the biological fallacy, you are a bigot.[/quote]
OK, I did incorrectly refer to 'actual gender' vs 'preferred gender' when, by today's dictionary definitions, I should have referred to sex vs gender. I'm not necessarily calling myself a victim; I'm merely pointing out how contradictory it is to push for LGBT acceptance and equality while simultaneously squandering the beliefs of those who aren't like-minded.
e.g. Colonel Mustard believes that homosexuality shouldn't be shunned, but homosexuals should be treated as equals in the eyes of the public/government/etc. Professor Plum believes homosexuality is biologically incorrect and doesn't agree with its acceptance. Colonel Mustard then shuns Professor Plum and calls him a bigot for having a different belief system. It doesn't matter what you believe, you should accept the other person and their beliefs without shunning them. Calling someone a bigot because you disagree with their beliefs makes you, by definition, a bigot. Unfortunately, this scenario is more than common in the LGBT movement.
I have a very definite belief system and mason is right, I am stubborn with them. I don't agree with homosexuality as a lifestyle, but I am more than tolerant of it. I [i]accept[/i] it, and I don't think less of those who are homosexual. I don't treat them any differently. I absolutely think they should have the same rights as heterosexuals.
I feel much the same about transgendered people. They should have the same rights and be treated the same.
On the other hand, let's say that I meet a person on the street with an unmistakably feminine gender identity and I fall in love with [i]her[/i]. Some time passes and I find out [i]she[/i] is biologically male, has a penis, and has been dishonest the entire time. Moving forward, during interactions with this person, am I supposed to use the pronouns [i]she[/i] and [i]her[/i]? No. It's clearly a man, and therefore will be referred to as such. Granted, that's an extreme example, but it's just an illustration. It's not about respect or bigotry.
I was going to let it go after mustard's post, but ya done got me riled up and ready for drama.
[quote=yankee]
sex is biological, gender is a social construct. i don't see how you could construe yourself as the victim in this situation when all you're being asked is to show someone a modicum of respect by using pronoun that they identify as.[/quote]
[quote=mustardoverlord]
the problem is, you are objectively wrong about the definition of gender, because you are confusing gender with sex.
if you don't know how being transgender works or dont know what a specific person is or what pronoun they prefer, an LGBT person harassing you for your ignorance is a double-standard. however, if you recognize the way they see themself and still refer to them by the WRONG pronoun based on the biological fallacy, you are a bigot.[/quote]
OK, I did incorrectly refer to 'actual gender' vs 'preferred gender' when, by today's dictionary definitions, I should have referred to sex vs gender. I'm not necessarily calling myself a victim; I'm merely pointing out how contradictory it is to push for LGBT acceptance and equality while simultaneously squandering the beliefs of those who aren't like-minded.
e.g. Colonel Mustard believes that homosexuality shouldn't be shunned, but homosexuals should be treated as equals in the eyes of the public/government/etc. Professor Plum believes homosexuality is biologically incorrect and doesn't agree with its acceptance. Colonel Mustard then shuns Professor Plum and calls him a bigot for having a different belief system. It doesn't matter what you believe, you should accept the other person and their beliefs without shunning them. Calling someone a bigot because you disagree with their beliefs makes you, by definition, a bigot. Unfortunately, this scenario is more than common in the LGBT movement.
I have a very definite belief system and mason is right, I am stubborn with them. I don't agree with homosexuality as a lifestyle, but I am more than tolerant of it. I [i]accept[/i] it, and I don't think less of those who are homosexual. I don't treat them any differently. I absolutely think they should have the same rights as heterosexuals.
I feel much the same about transgendered people. They should have the same rights and be treated the same.
On the other hand, let's say that I meet a person on the street with an unmistakably feminine gender identity and I fall in love with [i]her[/i]. Some time passes and I find out [i]she[/i] is biologically male, has a penis, and has been dishonest the entire time. Moving forward, during interactions with this person, am I supposed to use the pronouns [i]she[/i] and [i]her[/i]? No. It's clearly a man, and therefore will be referred to as such. Granted, that's an extreme example, but it's just an illustration. It's not about respect or bigotry.
smakers2. I think that there are people who were born as any typical heterosexual, but have become homosexual through social engineering, whether it was consciously or subconsciously. Maybe they were raised in predominantly homosexual areas, or were around prominent homosexuals that influenced their lifestyles and behaviors, or something else entirely.
I'm curious as to why you think this category exists. How would you distinguish between conditioned homosexuals and latent homosexuals? How would you differentiate environment as a cause for orientation and environment as a vehicle for it?
also i am now contributing to this extremely off topic discussion
[quote=smakers]
2. I think that there are people who were born as any typical heterosexual, but have become homosexual through social engineering, whether it was consciously or subconsciously. Maybe they were raised in predominantly homosexual areas, or were around prominent homosexuals that influenced their lifestyles and behaviors, or something else entirely.
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I'm curious as to why you think this category exists. How would you distinguish between conditioned homosexuals and latent homosexuals? How would you differentiate environment as a cause for orientation and environment as a vehicle for it?
also i am now contributing to this extremely off topic discussion
2. I think that there are people who were born as any typical heterosexual, but have become homosexual through social engineering, whether it was consciously or subconsciously. Maybe they were raised in predominantly homosexual areas, or were around prominent homosexuals that influenced their lifestyles and behaviors, or something else entirely.
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I'm curious as to why you think this category exists. How would you distinguish between conditioned homosexuals and latent homosexuals? How would you differentiate environment as a cause for orientation and environment as a vehicle for it?
also i am now contributing to this extremely off topic discussion
yankeegender is a social construct.
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[quote=yankee]gender is a social construct.[/quote]
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hehehehahah
AllealI'm curious as to why you think this category exists. How would you distinguish between conditioned homosexuals and latent homosexuals? How would you differentiate environment as a cause for orientation and environment as a vehicle for it?
I think it exists because I don't think there's any way that it couldn't exist. Is a murderer born a murderer? Is a pedophile born a pedophile? The majority of our lives are shaped by our surroundings, whether we notice it or not. Why wouldn't it sometimes spill into sexuality?
What about a sexually curious college girl who enjoys the company of men, but finds herself experimenting with girls and decides she likes it better, so she flips? Was she born heterosexual? Bisexual? Pansexual? Who's to say?
What about a prison inmate with a 75 year term who was as straight as any man has ever been, but he becomes sexually active with men over the course of his stint? Was he born as a heterosexual or bisexual?
[quote=Alleal]
I'm curious as to why you think this category exists. How would you distinguish between conditioned homosexuals and latent homosexuals? How would you differentiate environment as a cause for orientation and environment as a vehicle for it?
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I think it exists because I don't think there's any way that it [i]couldn't[/i] exist. Is a murderer born a murderer? Is a pedophile born a pedophile? The majority of our lives are shaped by our surroundings, whether we notice it or not. Why wouldn't it sometimes spill into sexuality?
What about a sexually curious college girl who enjoys the company of men, but finds herself experimenting with girls and decides she likes it better, so she flips? Was she born heterosexual? Bisexual? Pansexual? Who's to say?
What about a prison inmate with a 75 year term who was as straight as any man has ever been, but he becomes sexually active with men over the course of his stint? Was he born as a heterosexual or bisexual?
I'm curious as to why you think this category exists. How would you distinguish between conditioned homosexuals and latent homosexuals? How would you differentiate environment as a cause for orientation and environment as a vehicle for it?
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I think it exists because I don't think there's any way that it [i]couldn't[/i] exist. Is a murderer born a murderer? Is a pedophile born a pedophile? The majority of our lives are shaped by our surroundings, whether we notice it or not. Why wouldn't it sometimes spill into sexuality?
What about a sexually curious college girl who enjoys the company of men, but finds herself experimenting with girls and decides she likes it better, so she flips? Was she born heterosexual? Bisexual? Pansexual? Who's to say?
What about a prison inmate with a 75 year term who was as straight as any man has ever been, but he becomes sexually active with men over the course of his stint? Was he born as a heterosexual or bisexual?
im getting a hard on reading all your dirty walls of texts
im getting a hard on reading all your dirty walls of texts
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Well you're equating sex and sexuality and I don't think it works that way. They call it prison gay for a reason. Who you have sex with and who you're attracted to don't need to match up, it can be purely physical and also purely for yourself.
I think that as the stigma attached to sexuality erode we'll find that a whole lot more people have curiosity or tendencies that deviate from the hetero-normative one we have now. So to answer your question I'd guess yes, your college girl was born with some bisexual tendencies that she never expressed until she found herself in an environment that allowed for it. I think a lot of people are that way.
Well you're equating sex and sexuality and I don't think it works that way. They call it prison gay for a reason. Who you have sex with and who you're attracted to don't need to match up, it can be purely physical and also purely for yourself.
I think that as the stigma attached to sexuality erode we'll find that a whole lot more people have curiosity or tendencies that deviate from the hetero-normative one we have now. So to answer your question I'd guess yes, your college girl was born with some bisexual tendencies that she never expressed until she found herself in an environment that allowed for it. I think a lot of people are that way.
I think that as the stigma attached to sexuality erode we'll find that a whole lot more people have curiosity or tendencies that deviate from the hetero-normative one we have now. So to answer your question I'd guess yes, your college girl was born with some bisexual tendencies that she never expressed until she found herself in an environment that allowed for it. I think a lot of people are that way.
smakersAllealI'm curious as to why you think this category exists. How would you distinguish between conditioned homosexuals and latent homosexuals? How would you differentiate environment as a cause for orientation and environment as a vehicle for it?
I think it exists because I don't think there's any way that it couldn't exist. Is a murderer born a murderer? Is a pedophile born a pedophile? The majority of our lives are shaped by our surroundings, whether we notice it or not. Why wouldn't it sometimes spill into sexuality?
What about a sexually curious college girl who enjoys the company of men, but finds herself experimenting with girls and decides she likes it better, so she flips? Was she born heterosexual? Bisexual? Pansexual? Who's to say?
What about a prison inmate with a 75 year term who was as straight as any man has ever been, but he becomes sexually active with men over the course of his stint? Was he born as a heterosexual or bisexual?
Much like autism, it's a spectrum.
[quote=smakers][quote=Alleal]
I'm curious as to why you think this category exists. How would you distinguish between conditioned homosexuals and latent homosexuals? How would you differentiate environment as a cause for orientation and environment as a vehicle for it?
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I think it exists because I don't think there's any way that it [i]couldn't[/i] exist. Is a murderer born a murderer? Is a pedophile born a pedophile? The majority of our lives are shaped by our surroundings, whether we notice it or not. Why wouldn't it sometimes spill into sexuality?
What about a sexually curious college girl who enjoys the company of men, but finds herself experimenting with girls and decides she likes it better, so she flips? Was she born heterosexual? Bisexual? Pansexual? Who's to say?
What about a prison inmate with a 75 year term who was as straight as any man has ever been, but he becomes sexually active with men over the course of his stint? Was he born as a heterosexual or bisexual?[/quote]
Much like autism, it's a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale]spectrum.[/url]
I'm curious as to why you think this category exists. How would you distinguish between conditioned homosexuals and latent homosexuals? How would you differentiate environment as a cause for orientation and environment as a vehicle for it?
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I think it exists because I don't think there's any way that it [i]couldn't[/i] exist. Is a murderer born a murderer? Is a pedophile born a pedophile? The majority of our lives are shaped by our surroundings, whether we notice it or not. Why wouldn't it sometimes spill into sexuality?
What about a sexually curious college girl who enjoys the company of men, but finds herself experimenting with girls and decides she likes it better, so she flips? Was she born heterosexual? Bisexual? Pansexual? Who's to say?
What about a prison inmate with a 75 year term who was as straight as any man has ever been, but he becomes sexually active with men over the course of his stint? Was he born as a heterosexual or bisexual?[/quote]
Much like autism, it's a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale]spectrum.[/url]
smakersIt doesn't matter what you believe, you should accept the other person and their beliefs without shunning them.
smakersNo. It's clearly a man, and therefore will be referred to as such.
Hmm! I think you're really trying hard here to get away from preaching a double standard but you can't. You're saying that we should respect and accept all people regardless of what their beliefs are, no matter what. But if a person was born physically one sex but has known their whole life that, inside, they are the other gender, you yourself will just disregard this "idea" or "belief" and call them whatever the fuck you want?
Gender identity is something that very few people understand, especially if we are not affected by it - but that doesn't mean it's not real.
I respect everybody's right to an opinion but I think most of what you're saying is wrong, small-minded and ignorant. Sorry smaka. And unfortunately you are echoing the opinions of many people in the US who also have no time to learn or listen about these issues.
[quote=smakers]It doesn't matter what you believe, you should accept the other person and their beliefs without shunning them.[/quote]
[quote=smakers]No. It's clearly a man, and therefore will be referred to as such.[/quote]
Hmm! I think you're really trying hard here to get away from preaching a double standard but you can't. You're saying that we should respect and accept all people regardless of what their beliefs are, no matter what. But if a person was born physically one sex but has known their whole life that, inside, they are the other gender, you yourself will just disregard this "idea" or "belief" and call them whatever the fuck you want?
Gender identity is something that very few people understand, especially if we are not affected by it - but that doesn't mean it's not real.
I respect everybody's right to an opinion but I think most of what you're saying is wrong, small-minded and ignorant. Sorry smaka. And unfortunately you are echoing the opinions of many people in the US who also have no time to learn or listen about these issues.
[quote=smakers]No. It's clearly a man, and therefore will be referred to as such.[/quote]
Hmm! I think you're really trying hard here to get away from preaching a double standard but you can't. You're saying that we should respect and accept all people regardless of what their beliefs are, no matter what. But if a person was born physically one sex but has known their whole life that, inside, they are the other gender, you yourself will just disregard this "idea" or "belief" and call them whatever the fuck you want?
Gender identity is something that very few people understand, especially if we are not affected by it - but that doesn't mean it's not real.
I respect everybody's right to an opinion but I think most of what you're saying is wrong, small-minded and ignorant. Sorry smaka. And unfortunately you are echoing the opinions of many people in the US who also have no time to learn or listen about these issues.
smakersOn the other hand, let's say that I meet a person on the street with an unmistakably feminine gender identity and I fall in love with her. Some time passes and I find out she is biologically male, has a penis, and has been dishonest the entire time. Moving forward, during interactions with this person, am I supposed to use the pronouns she and her? No. It's clearly a man, and therefore will be referred to as such. Granted, that's an extreme example, but it's just an illustration. It's not about respect or bigotry.
While I certainly believe you have the right to call a person by whichever pronoun you wish, that doesn't mean you're not a dick for doing it.
Edit: fuck, I got baited into this too.
[quote=smakers]
On the other hand, let's say that I meet a person on the street with an unmistakably feminine gender identity and I fall in love with [i]her[/i]. Some time passes and I find out [i]she[/i] is biologically male, has a penis, and has been dishonest the entire time. Moving forward, during interactions with this person, am I supposed to use the pronouns [i]she[/i] and [i]her[/i]? No. It's clearly a man, and therefore will be referred to as such. Granted, that's an extreme example, but it's just an illustration. It's not about respect or bigotry.[/quote]
While I certainly believe you have the right to call a person by whichever pronoun you wish, that doesn't mean you're not a dick for doing it.
Edit: fuck, I got baited into this too.
On the other hand, let's say that I meet a person on the street with an unmistakably feminine gender identity and I fall in love with [i]her[/i]. Some time passes and I find out [i]she[/i] is biologically male, has a penis, and has been dishonest the entire time. Moving forward, during interactions with this person, am I supposed to use the pronouns [i]she[/i] and [i]her[/i]? No. It's clearly a man, and therefore will be referred to as such. Granted, that's an extreme example, but it's just an illustration. It's not about respect or bigotry.[/quote]
While I certainly believe you have the right to call a person by whichever pronoun you wish, that doesn't mean you're not a dick for doing it.
Edit: fuck, I got baited into this too.
i don't care if you're lgbt, as long as you're happy i'll call you whatever you prefer.
i don't care if you're lgbt, as long as you're happy i'll call you whatever you prefer.
how about you just dont come back here twisted
that would solve all your problems :)
how about you just dont come back here twisted
that would solve all your problems :)
that would solve all your problems :)
crossfiremaybe UGC admin INFINITE aka can enlighten us...
Infinite isn't a UGC admin anymore. The current admins have been doing a pretty good job listening and respecting the community. They aren't perfect, but they're decent and they keep improving. Their new UGC Helper Bot on Steam is one of the neatest competitive aides I've seen in a while.
mustardoverlordthe problem is, you are objectively wrong about the definition of gender, because you are confusing gender with sex.
from that bastion of public knowledge, wikipedia:
"Gender is the range of characteristics pertaining to, and differentiating between, masculinity and femininity. Depending on the context, these characteristics may include biological sex (i.e. the state of being male, female or intersex), sex-based social structures (including gender roles and other social roles), or gender identity."
if you don't know how being transgender works or dont know what a specific person is or what pronoun they prefer, an LGBT person harassing you for your ignorance is a double-standard. however, if you recognize the way they see themself and still refer to them by the WRONG pronoun based on the biological fallacy, you are a bigot.
Great post.
[quote=crossfire]
maybe UGC admin INFINITE aka can enlighten us...[/quote]
Infinite isn't a UGC admin anymore. The current admins have been doing a pretty good job listening and respecting the community. They aren't perfect, but they're decent and they keep improving. Their new UGC Helper Bot on Steam is one of the neatest competitive aides I've seen in a while.
[quote=mustardoverlord]
the problem is, you are objectively wrong about the definition of gender, because you are confusing gender with sex.
from that bastion of public knowledge, wikipedia:
"Gender is the range of characteristics pertaining to, and differentiating between, masculinity and femininity. Depending on the context, these characteristics may include biological sex (i.e. the state of being male, female or intersex), sex-based social structures (including gender roles and other social roles), or gender identity."
if you don't know how being transgender works or dont know what a specific person is or what pronoun they prefer, an LGBT person harassing you for your ignorance is a double-standard. however, if you recognize the way they see themself and still refer to them by the WRONG pronoun based on the biological fallacy, you are a bigot.[/quote]
Great post.
maybe UGC admin INFINITE aka can enlighten us...[/quote]
Infinite isn't a UGC admin anymore. The current admins have been doing a pretty good job listening and respecting the community. They aren't perfect, but they're decent and they keep improving. Their new UGC Helper Bot on Steam is one of the neatest competitive aides I've seen in a while.
[quote=mustardoverlord]
the problem is, you are objectively wrong about the definition of gender, because you are confusing gender with sex.
from that bastion of public knowledge, wikipedia:
"Gender is the range of characteristics pertaining to, and differentiating between, masculinity and femininity. Depending on the context, these characteristics may include biological sex (i.e. the state of being male, female or intersex), sex-based social structures (including gender roles and other social roles), or gender identity."
if you don't know how being transgender works or dont know what a specific person is or what pronoun they prefer, an LGBT person harassing you for your ignorance is a double-standard. however, if you recognize the way they see themself and still refer to them by the WRONG pronoun based on the biological fallacy, you are a bigot.[/quote]
Great post.
So you are a bigot for not accepting other peoples' bigotry? This is a deep philosophical issue.
So you are a bigot for not accepting other peoples' bigotry? This is a deep philosophical issue.
Lock the thread please, before it turns out like the "fat shaming" thread
Lock the thread please, before it turns out like the "fat shaming" thread
smakersColonel Mustard believes that homosexuality shouldn't be shunned, but homosexuals should be treated as equals in the eyes of the public/government/etc. Professor Plum believes homosexuality is biologically incorrect and doesn't agree with its acceptance. Colonel Mustard then shuns Professor Plum and calls him a bigot for having a different belief system. It doesn't matter what you believe, you should accept the other person and their beliefs without shunning them. Calling someone a bigot because you disagree with their beliefs makes you, by definition, a bigot.
So if someone is being a massive bigot we should respect their beliefs and leave them to it?
Lolno.
Read that again and replace "Professor Plum" with "Adolf Hitler" and you might see where I'm coming from.
[quote=smakers]Colonel Mustard believes that homosexuality shouldn't be shunned, but homosexuals should be treated as equals in the eyes of the public/government/etc. Professor Plum believes homosexuality is biologically incorrect and doesn't agree with its acceptance. Colonel Mustard then shuns Professor Plum and calls him a bigot for having a different belief system. It doesn't matter what you believe, you should accept the other person and their beliefs without shunning them. Calling someone a bigot because you disagree with their beliefs makes you, by definition, a bigot.[/quote]
So if someone is being a massive bigot we should respect their beliefs and leave them to it?
Lolno.
Read that again and replace "Professor Plum" with "Adolf Hitler" and you might see where I'm coming from.
So if someone is being a massive bigot we should respect their beliefs and leave them to it?
Lolno.
Read that again and replace "Professor Plum" with "Adolf Hitler" and you might see where I'm coming from.
LionxLock the thread please, before it turns out like the "fat shaming" thread
why are you trying so hard to stop the discussion
let people discuss as they wish, this is how progress is made
[quote=Lionx]Lock the thread please, before it turns out like the "fat shaming" thread[/quote]
why are you trying so hard to stop the discussion
let people discuss as they wish, this is how progress is made
why are you trying so hard to stop the discussion
let people discuss as they wish, this is how progress is made
Teamfortress.tv- Competitive TF2,Drama and Gender studies
Teamfortress.tv- Competitive TF2,Drama and Gender studies
Looks like we've gone full circle to the gender discussion for the umpteenth time.
Looks like we've gone full circle to the gender discussion for the umpteenth time.
BarryChuckleSo if someone is being a massive bigot we should respect their beliefs and leave them to it?
Lolno.
Read that again and replace "Professor Plum" with "Adolf Hitler" and you might see where I'm coming from.
"people with different opinions than me are hitler"
[quote=BarryChuckle]
So if someone is being a massive bigot we should respect their beliefs and leave them to it?
Lolno.
Read that again and replace "Professor Plum" with "Adolf Hitler" and you might see where I'm coming from.[/quote]
"people with different opinions than me are hitler"
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So if someone is being a massive bigot we should respect their beliefs and leave them to it?
Lolno.
Read that again and replace "Professor Plum" with "Adolf Hitler" and you might see where I'm coming from.[/quote]
"people with different opinions than me are hitler"
[img]http://puu.sh/bG0XF/0ff34170fc.png[/img]
When I come to tf.tv what I really want is a completely off topic discussion about other peoples life choices that effect no one else whatsoever except maybe a single extra keystroke to be remotely respectful.
Seriously I just wanna laugh at more dumb stuff Axio says.
When I come to tf.tv what I really want is a completely off topic discussion about other peoples life choices that effect no one else whatsoever except maybe a single extra keystroke to be remotely respectful.
Seriously I just wanna laugh at more dumb stuff Axio says.
Seriously I just wanna laugh at more dumb stuff Axio says.
lock this shit
if people want more of some idiot analyzing 1 second of gameplay make a new thread
lock this shit
if people want more of some idiot analyzing 1 second of gameplay make a new thread
if people want more of some idiot analyzing 1 second of gameplay make a new thread
what do you call someone when the genitals situation is indiscernible smaka
cause I had an accident with a paper shredder and now its like a pulpy ground beef mess down there
what do you call someone when the genitals situation is indiscernible smaka
cause I had an accident with a paper shredder and now its like a pulpy ground beef mess down there
cause I had an accident with a paper shredder and now its like a pulpy ground beef mess down there
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