Uploaded the HUD files from this just in case anybody was looking for them for anything.
https://github.com/omnibombulator/TF2-Base-HUD-2007
I couldn't find anything useful myself but who knows.
2007 Team Fortress 2 (aka Orange Box) Client/Serve
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Uploaded the HUD files from this just in case anybody was looking for them for anything.
https://github.com/omnibombulator/TF2-Base-HUD-2007
I couldn't find anything useful myself but who knows.
https://github.com/omnibombulator/TF2-Base-HUD-2007
I couldn't find anything useful myself but who knows.
Tino_holy fuck the pistols can unload an entire clip in .1 seconds again
I wish this was never changed :/
[quote=Tino_]holy fuck the pistols can unload an entire clip in .1 seconds again[/quote]
I wish this was never changed :/
I wish this was never changed :/
Rockkkkkkkdoes demoman come with 6 pipes? no thanks then.
Wiki says that was changed in prerelease, so probably not.
[quote=Rockkkkkkk]does demoman come with 6 pipes? no thanks then.[/quote]
Wiki says that was changed in prerelease, so probably not.
Wiki says that was changed in prerelease, so probably not.
ComangliaeeeGetawhalei dont think u understand copyright lawAloSecIt sounds interesting but every thing promised is completely doable with current server/client mods (and without illegally (?) downloading the game)
I bought this game, I can do what I want
It's perfectly legal to download a game for free, if you've already paid for it. Distributing it though is quite different which if you torrent and seed for even a second you're technically a distributor.
Right. If I paid for a game, I can download a ripped version a million times. eee seems to be the one that doesn't understand copyright law.
[quote=Comanglia][quote=eee][quote=Getawhale][quote=AloSec]It sounds interesting but every thing promised is completely doable with current server/client mods (and without illegally (?) downloading the game)[/quote]
I bought this game, I can do what I want[/quote]
i dont think u understand copyright law[/quote]
It's perfectly legal to download a game for free, if you've already paid for it. Distributing it though is quite different which if you torrent and seed for even a second you're technically a distributor.[/quote]
Right. If I paid for a game, I can download a ripped version a million times. eee seems to be the one that doesn't understand copyright law.
I bought this game, I can do what I want[/quote]
i dont think u understand copyright law[/quote]
It's perfectly legal to download a game for free, if you've already paid for it. Distributing it though is quite different which if you torrent and seed for even a second you're technically a distributor.[/quote]
Right. If I paid for a game, I can download a ripped version a million times. eee seems to be the one that doesn't understand copyright law.
GetawhaleRight. If I paid for a game, I can download a ripped version a million times. eee seems to be the one that doesn't understand copyright law.
in what way is downloading an extra copy of a game not piracy?
please explain
[quote=Getawhale]
Right. If I paid for a game, I can download a ripped version a million times. eee seems to be the one that doesn't understand copyright law.[/quote]
in what way is downloading an extra copy of a game not piracy?
please explain
Right. If I paid for a game, I can download a ripped version a million times. eee seems to be the one that doesn't understand copyright law.[/quote]
in what way is downloading an extra copy of a game not piracy?
please explain
eeeGetawhaleRight. If I paid for a game, I can download a ripped version a million times. eee seems to be the one that doesn't understand copyright law.in what way is downloading an extra copy of a game not piracy?
please explain
This isn't at all like saying "I bought bread from the local supermarket once, that means I can legally take all the bread I want."
When you buy a game, you're essentially purchasing the right to use that data. Because it's data and not a physical object, then it doesn't matter where you get it (well, mostly), you still have the right to use it.
[quote=eee][quote=Getawhale]
Right. If I paid for a game, I can download a ripped version a million times. eee seems to be the one that doesn't understand copyright law.[/quote]
in what way is downloading an extra copy of a game not piracy?
please explain[/quote]
This isn't at all like saying "I bought bread from the local supermarket once, that means I can legally take all the bread I want."
When you buy a game, you're essentially purchasing the right to use that data. Because it's data and not a physical object, then it doesn't matter where you get it (well, mostly), you still have the right to use it.
Right. If I paid for a game, I can download a ripped version a million times. eee seems to be the one that doesn't understand copyright law.[/quote]
in what way is downloading an extra copy of a game not piracy?
please explain[/quote]
This isn't at all like saying "I bought bread from the local supermarket once, that means I can legally take all the bread I want."
When you buy a game, you're essentially purchasing the right to use that data. Because it's data and not a physical object, then it doesn't matter where you get it (well, mostly), you still have the right to use it.
I thought the law was you had to rip it yourself (creating your own backups) and not share it with anyone, then it's legal.
If you download a copy off the internet it's illegal. No one cares though and there's a lot of grey areas in this topic.
I thought the law was you had to rip it yourself (creating your own backups) and not share it with anyone, then it's legal.
If you download a copy off the internet it's illegal. No one cares though and there's a lot of grey areas in this topic.
If you download a copy off the internet it's illegal. No one cares though and there's a lot of grey areas in this topic.
The thread has officially died, we are now in a discussion of intellectual property law.
The thread has officially died, we are now in a discussion of intellectual property law.
GetawhaleRight. If I paid for a game, I can download a ripped version a million times. eee seems to be the one that doesn't understand copyright law.
Ethically maybe, legally no. That's not how American laws work according to the NYT.
[quote=Getawhale]Right. If I paid for a game, I can download a ripped version a million times. eee seems to be the one that doesn't understand copyright law.[/quote]
Ethically maybe, legally no. That's not how American laws work according to the [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/04/magazine/04FOB-ethicist-t.html?_r=0]NYT[/url].
Ethically maybe, legally no. That's not how American laws work according to the [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/04/magazine/04FOB-ethicist-t.html?_r=0]NYT[/url].
eeeGetawhaleRight. If I paid for a game, I can download a ripped version a million times. eee seems to be the one that doesn't understand copyright law.in what way is downloading an extra copy of a game not piracy?
please explain
It seems you are correct. While US copyright law does provide for creating a backup copy of a piece of software, that does not apply in the same way if you are downloading a copy somebody else made.
This has piqued my interest now and I'm going to email Valve out of curiosity and see what their view on it is.
Sorry, I never meant to derail the shit out of this
[quote=eee][quote=Getawhale]
Right. If I paid for a game, I can download a ripped version a million times. eee seems to be the one that doesn't understand copyright law.[/quote]
in what way is downloading an extra copy of a game not piracy?
please explain[/quote]
It seems you are correct. While US copyright law does provide for creating a backup copy of a piece of software, that does not apply in the same way if you are downloading a copy somebody else made.
This has piqued my interest now and I'm going to email Valve out of curiosity and see what their view on it is.
Sorry, I never meant to derail the shit out of this
Right. If I paid for a game, I can download a ripped version a million times. eee seems to be the one that doesn't understand copyright law.[/quote]
in what way is downloading an extra copy of a game not piracy?
please explain[/quote]
It seems you are correct. While US copyright law does provide for creating a backup copy of a piece of software, that does not apply in the same way if you are downloading a copy somebody else made.
This has piqued my interest now and I'm going to email Valve out of curiosity and see what their view on it is.
Sorry, I never meant to derail the shit out of this
GetawhaleeeeGetawhaleRight. If I paid for a game, I can download a ripped version a million times. eee seems to be the one that doesn't understand copyright law.in what way is downloading an extra copy of a game not piracy?
please explain
It seems you are correct. While US copyright law does provide for creating a backup copy of a piece of software, that does not apply in the same way if you are downloading a copy somebody else made.
This has piqued my interest now and I'm going to email Valve out of curiosity and see what their view on it is.
Sorry, I never meant to derail the shit out of this
Honestly valve is a pretty open company and TF2 is already F2P, so long as the people who are giving this out are not profiting than I think valve would be cool with it, but idk.
[quote=Getawhale][quote=eee][quote=Getawhale]
Right. If I paid for a game, I can download a ripped version a million times. eee seems to be the one that doesn't understand copyright law.[/quote]
in what way is downloading an extra copy of a game not piracy?
please explain[/quote]
It seems you are correct. While US copyright law does provide for creating a backup copy of a piece of software, that does not apply in the same way if you are downloading a copy somebody else made.
This has piqued my interest now and I'm going to email Valve out of curiosity and see what their view on it is.
Sorry, I never meant to derail the shit out of this[/quote]
Honestly valve is a pretty open company and TF2 is already F2P, so long as the people who are giving this out are not profiting than I think valve would be cool with it, but idk.
Right. If I paid for a game, I can download a ripped version a million times. eee seems to be the one that doesn't understand copyright law.[/quote]
in what way is downloading an extra copy of a game not piracy?
please explain[/quote]
It seems you are correct. While US copyright law does provide for creating a backup copy of a piece of software, that does not apply in the same way if you are downloading a copy somebody else made.
This has piqued my interest now and I'm going to email Valve out of curiosity and see what their view on it is.
Sorry, I never meant to derail the shit out of this[/quote]
Honestly valve is a pretty open company and TF2 is already F2P, so long as the people who are giving this out are not profiting than I think valve would be cool with it, but idk.
Sorry to derail the discussion about copyright law, but are there any servers running this?
Sorry to derail the discussion about copyright law, but are there any servers running this?
i think it would be pretty cool to run a few pugs or whatever on it, if only for nostalgic reasons. completely forgot about sniper quickswitch and lack of 200ms rule!
the soldier will also be better at close range too, right? shouldn't take full self damage or something like that.
i think it would be pretty cool to run a few pugs or whatever on it, if only for nostalgic reasons. completely forgot about sniper quickswitch and lack of 200ms rule!
the soldier will also be better at close range too, right? shouldn't take full self damage or something like that.
the soldier will also be better at close range too, right? shouldn't take full self damage or something like that.
KhakiRemember when granary had gates to mid and a 60 second timer until the round would start
No door out of garage, and all of the hiding spots come back. :)
[quote=Khaki]Remember when granary had gates to mid and a 60 second timer until the round would start[/quote]
No door out of garage, and all of the hiding spots come back. :)
No door out of garage, and all of the hiding spots come back. :)
When someone will hack the servers using game exploits that were fixed years ago, and then download malicious files on every client that connect to the servers (or even delete windows files), I'm not sure people will keep playing this.
When someone will hack the servers using game exploits that were fixed years ago, and then download malicious files on every client that connect to the servers (or even delete windows files), I'm not sure people will keep playing this.
eeein what way is downloading an extra copy of a game not piracy?
No parrots, a lack of plank walking, fleshy hands instead of hooks, and a healthy diet preventing scurvy. Admittedly TF2 does have similar hats and treasure chests, but they're not in this version.
Or were you thinking of Somalians?
[quote=eee]in what way is downloading an extra copy of a game not piracy?[/quote]
No parrots, a lack of plank walking, fleshy hands instead of hooks, and a healthy diet preventing scurvy. Admittedly TF2 does have similar hats and treasure chests, but they're not in this version.
Or were you thinking of Somalians?
No parrots, a lack of plank walking, fleshy hands instead of hooks, and a healthy diet preventing scurvy. Admittedly TF2 does have similar hats and treasure chests, but they're not in this version.
Or were you thinking of Somalians?
Antarespic
Fuck 07 tf2, I want to play this.
[quote=Antares]pic[/quote]
Fuck 07 tf2, I want to play this.
Fuck 07 tf2, I want to play this.
smobodxlevel 81 with chris' highframes as they are today
2007 BUILD
662 fps
2014 BUILD - i made the settings more equal, and removed the 3d hud character
704 fps
Thats interesting actually but it doesn't say much if you take in consideration 2007 tf2 had 0 extra items and 2014 tf2 has literally over 1000 different items and particles, which are the ones causing severe optimization issues.
[quote=smobo]dxlevel 81 with chris' highframes as they are today
[b]2007 BUILD[/b]
662 fps
[b]2014 BUILD[/b] - i made the settings more equal, and removed the 3d hud character
704 fps
[/quote]
Thats interesting actually but it doesn't say much if you take in consideration 2007 tf2 had 0 extra items and 2014 tf2 has literally over 1000 different items and particles, which are the ones causing severe optimization issues.
[b]2007 BUILD[/b]
662 fps
[b]2014 BUILD[/b] - i made the settings more equal, and removed the 3d hud character
704 fps
[/quote]
Thats interesting actually but it doesn't say much if you take in consideration 2007 tf2 had 0 extra items and 2014 tf2 has literally over 1000 different items and particles, which are the ones causing severe optimization issues.
I would give anything, to have one more chance to boost heavies to the gravel pit B roof with medic needles.
I would give anything, to have one more chance to boost heavies to the gravel pit B roof with medic needles.
Kanecosmobodxlevel 81 with chris' highframes as they are today
2007 BUILD
662 fps
2014 BUILD - i made the settings more equal, and removed the 3d hud character
704 fps
Thats interesting actually but it doesn't say much if you take in consideration 2007 tf2 had 0 extra items and 2014 tf2 has literally over 1000 different items and particles, which are the ones causing severe optimization issues.
but you're forgetting to take into consideration any and all performance improvements valve may have put in the past 7 years.
maybe it was enough to offset the performance loss from extra items?
it's not an accurate test either way, just pointing that out.
[quote=Kaneco][quote=smobo]dxlevel 81 with chris' highframes as they are today
[b]2007 BUILD[/b]
662 fps
[b]2014 BUILD[/b] - i made the settings more equal, and removed the 3d hud character
704 fps
[/quote]
Thats interesting actually but it doesn't say much if you take in consideration 2007 tf2 had 0 extra items and 2014 tf2 has literally over 1000 different items and particles, which are the ones causing severe optimization issues.[/quote]
but you're forgetting to take into consideration any and all performance improvements valve may have put in the past 7 years.
maybe it was enough to offset the performance loss from extra items?
it's not an accurate test either way, just pointing that out.
[b]2007 BUILD[/b]
662 fps
[b]2014 BUILD[/b] - i made the settings more equal, and removed the 3d hud character
704 fps
[/quote]
Thats interesting actually but it doesn't say much if you take in consideration 2007 tf2 had 0 extra items and 2014 tf2 has literally over 1000 different items and particles, which are the ones causing severe optimization issues.[/quote]
but you're forgetting to take into consideration any and all performance improvements valve may have put in the past 7 years.
maybe it was enough to offset the performance loss from extra items?
it's not an accurate test either way, just pointing that out.
turtsmcgurtsKanecosmobodxlevel 81 with chris' highframes as they are today
2007 BUILD
662 fps
2014 BUILD - i made the settings more equal, and removed the 3d hud character
704 fps
Thats interesting actually but it doesn't say much if you take in consideration 2007 tf2 had 0 extra items and 2014 tf2 has literally over 1000 different items and particles, which are the ones causing severe optimization issues.
but you're forgetting to take into consideration any and all performance improvements valve may have put in the past 7 years.
maybe it was enough to offset the performance loss from extra items?
it's not an accurate test either way, just pointing that out.
mat_queue_mode 2/multithreaded rendering wasn't a thing back in 2007
[quote=turtsmcgurts][quote=Kaneco][quote=smobo]dxlevel 81 with chris' highframes as they are today
[b]2007 BUILD[/b]
662 fps
[b]2014 BUILD[/b] - i made the settings more equal, and removed the 3d hud character
704 fps
[/quote]
Thats interesting actually but it doesn't say much if you take in consideration 2007 tf2 had 0 extra items and 2014 tf2 has literally over 1000 different items and particles, which are the ones causing severe optimization issues.[/quote]
but you're forgetting to take into consideration any and all performance improvements valve may have put in the past 7 years.
maybe it was enough to offset the performance loss from extra items?
it's not an accurate test either way, just pointing that out.[/quote]
mat_queue_mode 2/multithreaded rendering wasn't a thing back in 2007
[b]2007 BUILD[/b]
662 fps
[b]2014 BUILD[/b] - i made the settings more equal, and removed the 3d hud character
704 fps
[/quote]
Thats interesting actually but it doesn't say much if you take in consideration 2007 tf2 had 0 extra items and 2014 tf2 has literally over 1000 different items and particles, which are the ones causing severe optimization issues.[/quote]
but you're forgetting to take into consideration any and all performance improvements valve may have put in the past 7 years.
maybe it was enough to offset the performance loss from extra items?
it's not an accurate test either way, just pointing that out.[/quote]
mat_queue_mode 2/multithreaded rendering wasn't a thing back in 2007
you have to keep in mind that the test was done on a comp thats good for 2014 no way in HELL could a decent comp form 7 years ago could hope to pull 600+ fps
you have to keep in mind that the test was done on a comp thats good for 2014 no way in HELL could a decent comp form 7 years ago could hope to pull 600+ fps
interesting test to see would be a flyover of a map (well is the same as launch I think) and use bot commands to get a full 23 man server creating as many particles/projectiles as possible, and comparing frame rate
can't really test hats too much, but i'd assume that the 2014 build would offer better performance with all the threading commands and stuff
i think there are plugins to give bots hats but i dont think that'd be a good test
interesting test to see would be a flyover of a map (well is the same as launch I think) and use bot commands to get a full 23 man server creating as many particles/projectiles as possible, and comparing frame rate
can't really test hats too much, but i'd assume that the 2014 build would offer better performance with all the threading commands and stuff
i think there are plugins to give bots hats but i dont think that'd be a good test
can't really test hats too much, but i'd assume that the 2014 build would offer better performance with all the threading commands and stuff
i think there are plugins to give bots hats but i dont think that'd be a good test
Tino, fps is fps. it's the same PC so what you're saying is irrelevant. you test that 2007 PC and you'll see the same relative performance between the two game versions.
Dave_, mat_queue_mode 2 works in both, but causes crashes occasionally in 2007 mode.
Tino, fps is fps. it's the same PC so what you're saying is irrelevant. you test that 2007 PC and you'll see the same relative performance between the two game versions.
Dave_, mat_queue_mode 2 works in both, but causes crashes occasionally in 2007 mode.
Dave_, mat_queue_mode 2 works in both, but causes crashes occasionally in 2007 mode.
yeah im not saying the performance would differ on the two i just find it interesting that the game is actually alot more optimized then it was in 07, even though it still feels like a potato is running it 90% of the time
yeah im not saying the performance would differ on the two i just find it interesting that the game is actually alot more optimized then it was in 07, even though it still feels like a potato is running it 90% of the time
perhaps a silly question but is there any risk in playing this in regards to vac bans or steam account business
perhaps a silly question but is there any risk in playing this in regards to vac bans or steam account business
smoboTino, fps is fps. it's the same PC so what you're saying is irrelevant. you test that 2007 PC and you'll see the same relative performance between the two game versions.
Dave_, mat_queue_mode 2 works in both, but causes crashes occasionally in 2007 mode.
Oh, didn't know that. I guess they never fully implemented it until later on then.
[quote=smobo]Tino, fps is fps. it's the same PC so what you're saying is irrelevant. you test that 2007 PC and you'll see the same relative performance between the two game versions.
Dave_, mat_queue_mode 2 works in both, but causes crashes occasionally in 2007 mode.[/quote]
Oh, didn't know that. I guess they never fully implemented it until later on then.
Dave_, mat_queue_mode 2 works in both, but causes crashes occasionally in 2007 mode.[/quote]
Oh, didn't know that. I guess they never fully implemented it until later on then.
Cryptoperhaps a silly question but is there any risk in playing this in regards to vac bans or steam account business
well, i think you'd have to connect to a VAC secured server to be VAC banned, and you can't really do that
[quote=Crypto]perhaps a silly question but is there any risk in playing this in regards to vac bans or steam account business[/quote]
well, i think you'd have to connect to a VAC secured server to be VAC banned, and you can't really do that
well, i think you'd have to connect to a VAC secured server to be VAC banned, and you can't really do that
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