It's easy to say the US homicide rate has gone down compared to Australia, when Australia barely has any homicides at all in comparison.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

i felt your graph was a bit dodgy, this is much more informative

http://i.gyazo.com/e9720b710934c4a6d2eec92ab9e5589a.png

source: http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20110314171826/http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs11/hosb0111.pdf

People are supporting a violent criminal.

You guys are either insane or know jack shit about this case.

Meanwhile in hongkong 7 cops punch and kick one protester and all of it is caught on camera and it still takes the cops 1 and an half months the catch the 7.

At least you can find the guy in a day.

They've posted the grand jury transcripts along with a lot of other evidence (pictures/reports) and I highly suggest you guys read it/go through it. Remember, any biased media/news entity (and they are ALL biased) can pick and choose testimony/evidence that supports their views.

It makes me cringe seeing all the false statements/opinions being stated as facts...c'mon guys. This wasn't r/circlejerk last time I checked.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/11/25/us/evidence-released-in-michael-brown-case.html?_r=0

Story time.

Time #1.

I was at an Iraq war protest, and accidentally stumbled onto a military base. We were protesting outside of the base, and I guess I looked the part of a guy who should be in the military and it was one of those bases that was 1/2 town, 1/2 military base. After I realized what had happened, I attempt to extract myself from the base before anybody noticed because I had a feeling I wasn't really supposed to be where I was, and saying I'd gone for a site seeing tour probably wouldn't work. Unfortunately, somebody with a gun noticed that I was pretty lost. SO, long story short. I got the gun pointed at me, and then, luckily, they didn't arrest me, and escorted me off the base with some friends - then they invited me to enlist if I quit being a "hippy".

The second time was only a few weeks ago. I was sitting in my car, texting, waiting on my child's mother to drop him off after her weekend with him (we meet in a grocery store parking lot). I was in the process of sending her a text to find out why she was so late, when I noticed a distinct blue-berry and cherry themed light show going on. I look out my window to see what had happened, and the guy hadn't been using his siren, and had his gun drawn on me sitting in my car. Luckily for me, I'm white, so when I jumped, due to being startled, he didn't instantly end me. He yelled at me to get out of the car *now*. I did so. He directed me to lean against the back of the car. Of course, the thought going through my mind, as a person whose been arrested a few times, is that this is decidedly less courteous than my previous experiences. So, as he was code-talking into his radio, I said "did I forget my turn signal, or was it my less-than-immaculate parking job?" He looked at me irritatedly, and went back to code talking with one hand on the radio and the other on his gun.

Then he said "where is XXX Jones" and I said "who?" and he looked at me in a very frustrated way. He then said "your passenger!" I said "I literally haven't left my house in 2 days, and I drove here by myself" he then said "so you don't know any xxx Jones?" and I said "I've never heard the name before in my life." So he asks if I have any ID. I tell him it's in the console of my car, and tell him he's welcome to get it if he would like, or I could get it exceedingly slowly.

I decided to do a slow motion license grab, and then handed it to him. At this point he looks extremely confused. He says "Do we have anything on a (my name)?" He looks at me and says "you have any reason to think you've got some warrants out on you?" I respond, "I hope not - I just play video games and read most days." His dispatcher informs him that I'm not the one he's looking for, and that he pulled over (I was parked but hey, she couldn't have known) the wrong car.

He then apologized no less than 3 times. He then noticed my last name, which happens to be a privileged name in this part of the Indiana, and apologized once more. I asked what the deal was.

He said that there had just been a bank robbery, and somebody had reported the get away car as being rather similar to the car I was driving, but that he'd obviously made a mistake somewhere along the line. Then he got back in his car, drove across the street to a restaurant, and watched me for the next 20 minutes. The aforementioned bank robbers are still at large. But thankfully our brave patrolman was hot on the trail of watching me do nothing in my car irritatedly waiting for 20 minutes.

Thankfully, baby momma' was incredibly late so my son wasn't subjected to seeing me held at gun point.

White guilt.exe

Not_a_worthless_fuck.exe I like to think :D

When i worked in downtown pittsburgh many years ago, there was a gunfight between the cops and a drugged up guy in the T station (subway station) right outside my office. The police shot him twice in the chest and he ran for 6 blocks before he slowed down and collapsed, and he still struggled to be subdued. Adrenaline and drugs can make your body do amazing shit.

yeah weed makes you a superhuman it's basically pcp

the safest place to shoot someone is the arm or leg. every gunshot wound is destructive because of the permanent cavity it creates, but almost every gunshot wound with a respectable caliber will be effective at disabling someone due to hydrostatic shock (the hydraulic pressure that immediately affects organs in the body due to an external projectile. most of the time this disrupts brain function temporarily, which would temporarily disable a person).

i don't think the cop needed to shoot. i need to read the court documents because i don't remember hearing if his car was running or not, but if you're in your car and a situation could become dangerous, it's very easy to create distance between you and the situation. if the cop had more room he could've handled it safely, but he panicked.

Brown wasn't drugged.

The way Wilson phrases it basically makes it looks like Brown was literally running through the bullets as if he was superman. He described it as if the bullets 'annoyed' him. His testimony is complete bullshit right from the beginning lie about his knowledge of the robbery that just happened.

It is also mind boggling to me the people buy into the story that Brown was running away from DW (who admitted he was shooting at a fleeing enemy; mistake #1), then for some reason decided to turn around and charge at him. Let me ask anyone, if you were running away from gunshots, do you think you, with a functioning brain, would turn around and run back at them? It is extremely more sensible to think that after realizing that he was being shot at - MB stopped and surrendered (which ALL of the eyewitness stories maintain and are consistent) then was shot.

Now it looks like your judging of this event is based on your previous unpleasant experience.

Well which is it then? You can't use a point in an argument and then turn around and say that point doesn't matter once it gets called out as bullshit. My point is that the decrease of guns does not decrease the homicide rate. So once again, leave guns out of it, back to the race war.

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Also, it doesn't matter if he was on drugs or not. Have any of you ever heard of the '86 FBI Miami shootout? Google it. Two small white guys took multiple 9mm (which Darren Wilson was carrying) shots with no drugs in their system. It was so crazy that the FBI wanted to switch from the 9mm to something more powerful.

You don't need both in your system in order for your body to reactive different, what i mentioned was just an example. Adrenaline, in it's purest form, is used in extreme measures. For instance in cardiac arrest and extreme versions of cancer to help trigger a stimulus in your body. Your body is programmed to use this hormone in fight/flight situations and it's effects are different on everyone. I'm not saying it's going to make you super human (i.e. a bullet to the head). However if you think a person can get shot and not be mobile, you are fooling yourself.

Listen, i'm not defending either side...the point is you weren't there either. Personally, i don't buy either side..there's enough loop holes on each end that makes this almost impossible to know what happened 100%. There's only 2 people who really know and one is dead. There was no video taken to prove or disprove what anyone has said. The Eric Garner case was much easier to see true police brutality, as there was indisputable evidence of what happened. The cop used an illegal choke hold, and did not release it even after he was detained and on the ground. In that case (regardless of the race card), if the cop is not punished then you have full permission to cry injustice.

Cherry, look at a newspaper - or any other news media of your choosing, local papers are the best, particularly from urban areas. People are *regularly* shot for making sudden or unexpected movements. You could also consult live-leak or any other such video sites that carry videos of people being shot for literally no reason other than sudden motion. I won't link the videos because they show people being murdered, but one particular example was the case of John Crawford, who was holding a toy gun in a store, jumped (startled by a man with a gun pointed at him screaming DROP THE WEAPON) and was murdered. Or the example of Levar Edward Jones who was shot because he suddenly reached for his wallet when asked to provide identification - luckily for Mr. Jones he wasn't killed - he was only shot a few times.

Normally, I'm fairly calm with the police, as I said, I've been arrested before. *NEVER* has a gun been pulled on me, ever. The MP that caught me on the base had it in his hands (off of his shoulder) but he never positioned himself in such a way as to immediately kill me. Even when I was doing things that were actually criminal - when a gun is in your face - and having at least a passing knowledge that other people have been murdered or seriously injured in such situations, you can't help but be in fear for your life - particularly when you're just minding your own damn business.

In fact a simple google search shows that roughly 400 people are killed by police "justifiably" per year, in other words more than 1 person every single day. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/11/24/fbi-reports-27-cops-were-killed-last-year-but-how-many-civilians-were-killed-by-officers/

I mean let's just step back for a moment and remember that this is a thing that happened: http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/23/us/texas-amputee-shooting/index.html

You read that right. They shot a pen wielding, one armed, wheel-chair bound double amputee because he clearly presented a deadly threat - also the police officer who killed him was not indicted by a grand jury, and was found to have committed no wrong doing. He's still working as a police officer today.

Did you even read the article about the pen wielding one armed man?

Hmm. There's testimony that shows Michael Brown did the same thing. Here's where it may be hard for you to understand. Follow the police's commands and show your hands = not getting shot. Now I know you're instantly going to bring up Levar Jones because he did follow commands and was shot. The thing is, they didn't see this shooting as 'justifiable' and he was charged with assault and battery of a high and aggravated nature, a felony that carries up to 20 years in prison. He's going through the justice system the same way Darren Wilson is/did. He shot someone, they felt it wasn't justifiable and now he's (by 'he' I mean Sean Groubert the cop who shot Jones) being charged.

I don't think you understand how going after a robbery suspect works. If he was anywhere hot on the trail he wouldn't have stopped you. They also normally split cops at the scene and the rest on patrol are on the lookout for the car. A few will probably be on the lookout in the general vicinity, but he's probably not part of that group.

Definitely an overreaction, but considering the phone call they received ( http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/30/opinion/williams-crawford-walmart-killing/ ) they didn't realize what they were getting into. If anything the 911 caller should have been charged for being a ridiculous liar. I also don't think it's good walmart policy to let people carry airsoft guns out of box all over the shop. Still pretty tragic that he died.

Brian Claunch's case, I honestly don't get why they don't have specialized guards for the mentally ill. Unless police officers regularly deal with homeless they're not going to remember training that well I'm betting. Overreaction for sure and I hope they at least now force officers to get refresher training for dealing with the mentally ill, but the whole situation should ideally never escalate to that point it needs cops. Needing the cops normally implies that someone's well being is in danger and you'll often need the threat of deadly force to get them to comply (doesn't work well with the mentally ill obviously).

In all, I mean yeah maybe 75% of jurors are biased towards police or something, but there seems to be a good reason why they're often getting acquitted of wrongdoing. I won't argue there's a discipline/training/corruption problem with some police departments and racist isn't an issue though.

There is no concrete proof whether or not Wilson told Brown to put his hands up or either get on the ground - only his word (according to Wilson he said to 'get on the ground'). All other resident eyewitness accounts say that Brown did put his hands up or more or less stopped and surrendered. This very well could be a case of 'following commands' and still being shot.

So Memphis you mean to imply that putting your hands on a police officer is a crime worthy of the death penalty? Or mayhaps, one arm wielding a pen at them? Because if it's not, I fail to see what you're adding here.

It's not hard to see that the whole point here, is that it's *far* too easy for police officers to kill people and then go on being cops. It's *very* rare that one secures a conviction - even in a case as laughable as gunning down a 1 armed guy in a wheel chair.

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1417026426958.jpg

Brown was facing him, not running away. He was 290 pounds. The he had approached the officer for 20 feet after he had been shot.

290lb guy was within 8 feet of him. Doesn't matter what race he was, I'd be scared as fuck.

Shut. The fuck. Up.

Bottom line:

1. Police brutality exists in America and is real.
2. Not all cops are pigs. Some care a lot.
3. The Brown case is an extremely poor case to exemplify police officer aggression and racism. A much better example would be the host of NYPD acts of unwarranted violence. Example #1 and Example #2. This is disgusting and should be the real focus of rage.
4. The Brown case shows how the media inflames emotions and neglects rationality. People need to do a better job thinking for themselves.

Almost makes me want to move to Norway or something.

And what if that 1 armed guy in a wheel chair did have a gun? What if he killed the officer? Would it still be laughable?
What if the guy just stopped and dropped what he had in his hands?

ok goodbye...

Calm down br0

Darren Wilson himself during his testimony said that Michael Brown was initially running away after the first altercation before stopping (and allegedly turning around to charge). Read the testimony, I posted it earlier.

Darren Wilson and Michael Brown are both 6'4 - Brown is just considerably heavier - if you would be 'scared as fuck' from a guy who is only 80lb heavier (still a great deal, I'm aware) then you are exaggerating. Someone who is heavier by that much would warrant caution, but not ridiculous panic, especially when you are armed and he is not.

Also good job getting your info from CNN when you just followed up this post by saying that the media can't be trusted due to emotional bias.

Those are all tragedies, but what I meant is that while it happens that police shoots people for little reason that and our own experiences shouldn't reflect on how we view this or any other case.
Statistics are never enough to take either side, judging them (Mr. Policeman and Mr. Brown) based on what Police sometimes do or what urban youth sometimes do is basically prejudice.

Also just so no one gets me wrong I'm not taking any side at all in this conflict, I live far away and sadly don't care at all about this case, though I feel sorry for both families and the whole community, it's a shame Americans stand against Americans, but that happens everywhere and I don't think we'll see truth, getting one group shouting louder is all we can get.

Let's put it this way memphis.

You work out in the yard one day, maybe it's a bit too hot, but you're a young strapping lad. Now yo go inside, but in your unfortunate heat-altered mental state, you become belligerent. A neighbor calls the police on you because you're behaving erratically. Now in your altered mental state, you fail to follow directions. Now, by your logic, you should be dead.

This is disgusting. I hope you see that.

My earlier posts referenced why the Mike Brown aspect of these protests is relatively unimportant Cherry. Federal charges may yet still be brought, but the grand jury in Ferguson is not an exception for instances of police officers killing unarmed civilians.

The point is to *change* the way policing is done in this country so you don't have so many pointless killings. It's centered on the black community because they are disproportionately represented amongst those who are shot by police, but it happens to other people as well.

You're missing the part where I make the officer feel like his life may be in danger. That's a pretty fucking big thing to miss. There are plenty of people who don't follow commands and don't get shot.