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premium is still required
like im going to be playing in esea next season but im not going to get prem until the season starts
can someone just make a strawpoll
premium is still required
like im going to be playing in esea next season but im not going to get prem until the season starts
can someone just make a strawpoll
like im going to be playing in esea next season but im not going to get prem until the season starts
can someone just make a strawpoll
logjam's not even in the voting this season? :( I don't think it should replace gran, but at least make it an option, lol.
logjam's not even in the voting this season? :( I don't think it should replace gran, but at least make it an option, lol.
We always pick map A to get voted out and then we always vote map A back in, so.
We always pick map A to get voted out and then we always vote map A back in, so.
Wow a lot got accomplished with these polls. Good job comp community
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that actually has premium right now for some reason
Wow a lot got accomplished with these polls. Good job comp community [spoiler]that actually has premium right now for some reason[/spoiler]
There's a reason this happens so often. It's not the most efficient method at all and it's a surprise any new maps at all are ever voted in!
From my counting there's a total of 88 votes in the first poll. (I might be off a little)
25 of those 88 were for Granary (about 28% of the total votes.)
That pretty much means that only 28% of people actually want Granary out. It's pretty obvious that's skewed already. The even bigger part is that with the second poll, you're providing replacements that (for the most part) only people who want Granary replaced will vote on.
So you're basically splintering the group that's already a minority into three more subgroups, while keeping the majority vote as the same size majority. There's no way Granary will be replaced this poll.
A better method would be to actually reveal the replacement maps FIRST, run a poll on which one people like more FIRST, and THEN run a poll to see if there's a map in the old rotation people would want to switch out for the specific (and singularly chosen) new map. Cause if we do it the way we're doing now, there's no real way things will change unless one specific map is hated by a vast majority of people.
(I'm not saying that we need to switch up the map poll by any means or that Granary needs to be replaced - I like the map rotation as it is already. I just think the way we're currently voting out maps is incredibly inefficient.)
There's a reason this happens so often. It's not the most efficient method at all and it's a surprise any new maps at all are ever voted in!
From my counting there's a total of 88 votes in the first poll. (I might be off a little)
25 of those 88 were for Granary (about 28% of the total votes.)
That pretty much means that only 28% of people actually want Granary out. It's pretty obvious that's skewed already. The even bigger part is that with the second poll, you're providing replacements that (for the most part) only people who want Granary replaced will vote on.
So you're basically splintering the group that's already a minority into three more subgroups, while keeping the majority vote as the same size majority. There's no way Granary will be replaced this poll.
A better method would be to actually reveal the replacement maps FIRST, run a poll on which one people like more FIRST, and THEN run a poll to see if there's a map in the old rotation people would want to switch out for the specific (and singularly chosen) new map. Cause if we do it the way we're doing now, there's no real way things will change unless one specific map is hated by a vast majority of people.
(I'm not saying that we need to switch up the map poll by any means or that Granary needs to be replaced - I like the map rotation as it is already. I just think the way we're currently voting out maps is incredibly inefficient.)
From my counting there's a total of 88 votes in the first poll. (I might be off a little)
25 of those 88 were for Granary (about 28% of the total votes.)
That pretty much means that only 28% of people actually want Granary out. It's pretty obvious that's skewed already. The even bigger part is that with the second poll, you're providing replacements that (for the most part) only people who want Granary replaced will vote on.
So you're basically splintering the group that's already a minority into three more subgroups, while keeping the majority vote as the same size majority. There's no way Granary will be replaced this poll.
A better method would be to actually reveal the replacement maps FIRST, run a poll on which one people like more FIRST, and THEN run a poll to see if there's a map in the old rotation people would want to switch out for the specific (and singularly chosen) new map. Cause if we do it the way we're doing now, there's no real way things will change unless one specific map is hated by a vast majority of people.
(I'm not saying that we need to switch up the map poll by any means or that Granary needs to be replaced - I like the map rotation as it is already. I just think the way we're currently voting out maps is incredibly inefficient.)
Why does everyone think Yukon is a bad map just because it plays differently from other 5cp maps, same goes for coalplant. Quit being hypocrites people, it's practically like you all open the thread and first post you see is "GRANARY IS BAD" so you all just jump on the bandwagon and don't even think about it
Why does everyone think Yukon is a bad map just because it plays differently from other 5cp maps, same goes for coalplant. Quit being hypocrites people, it's practically like you all open the thread and first post you see is "GRANARY IS BAD" so you all just jump on the bandwagon and don't even think about it
i don't think yukon is bad at all it's just very outdated...in a sense that it hasn't been played so long that its pretty much not relevant anymore. people talked about giving it another shot but even at GXL it was vetoed by almost everyone IIRC i don't recall one match of people playing that. thats what happens over time classic maps like that are just forgotten
i'm not quite sure where the granary hate is coming from its a classic map like badlands and its still good, maybe people aren't too excited about how if you get rolled in mid thats pretty much the round...but you can have that debate about other maps as well. point being the map pool is fine where its at now
i don't think yukon is bad at all it's just very outdated...in a sense that it hasn't been played so long that its pretty much not relevant anymore. people talked about giving it another shot but even at GXL it was vetoed by almost everyone IIRC i don't recall one match of people playing that. thats what happens over time classic maps like that are just forgotten
i'm not quite sure where the granary hate is coming from its a classic map like badlands and its still good, maybe people aren't too excited about how if you get rolled in mid thats pretty much the round...but you can have that debate about other maps as well. point being the map pool is fine where its at now
i'm not quite sure where the granary hate is coming from its a classic map like badlands and its still good, maybe people aren't too excited about how if you get rolled in mid thats pretty much the round...but you can have that debate about other maps as well. point being the map pool is fine where its at now
^ Granary is just kinda bleh now. It's not a bad map, it just hasn't aged nearly as well as Badlands.
^ Granary is just kinda bleh now. It's not a bad map, it just hasn't aged nearly as well as Badlands.
there's really nothing wrong with granary, so unless there's just too many maps and one has to go i'd like to see it stay
there's really nothing wrong with granary, so unless there's just too many maps and one has to go i'd like to see it stay
i picked yukon over granary just because i know granary will probably win anyways, but if yukon somehow wins i'll get to snipe even more than i do now
since you guys can see my vote anyways
i picked yukon over granary just because i know granary will probably win anyways, but if yukon somehow wins i'll get to snipe even more than i do now
since you guys can see my vote anyways
since you guys can see my vote anyways
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