so as most of u know, sony was hacked by north korea (suspected but most likely/95% sure??) and they leaked emails bad mouthing obama and angelina jolie. the U.S. responded by basically shutting down north korean internet for the whole day. xbox, youtube, and google release the interview, responsible for all this, and so do some movie theatres. Sony+xbox hacked this past chirstmas, and the day after, leaving ps4 and xbox servers down for 2 days+, but another hacker group claims the hack attacks. whats next?/thoughts?
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so as most of u know, sony was hacked by north korea (suspected but most likely/95% sure??) and they leaked emails bad mouthing obama and angelina jolie. the U.S. responded by basically shutting down north korean internet for the whole day. xbox, youtube, and google release the interview, responsible for all this, and so do some movie theatres. Sony+xbox hacked this past chirstmas, and the day after, leaving ps4 and xbox servers down for 2 days+, but another hacker group claims the hack attacks. whats next?/thoughts?
Have any governments released official statements on these? Until that happens I refuse to believe they would take part in this petty back and forth bullshit. Literally nothing here is out of the ordinary aside from the north korea internet being shut down, but I don't think that's unreasonable for a hacker group to pull off given the size of their internet...
Have any governments released official statements on these? Until that happens I refuse to believe they would take part in this petty back and forth bullshit. Literally nothing here is out of the ordinary aside from the north korea internet being shut down, but I don't think that's unreasonable for a hacker group to pull off given the size of their internet...
Please stop saying that DDoS/renting out some botnet is hacking.
Please stop saying that DDoS/renting out some botnet is hacking.
the official words are that us denies the cyber attacks
several security experts says north korea wasnt behind sony hacks but was rather an insider job
the official words are that us denies the cyber attacks
http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-north-koreas-internet-links-restored-amid-us-hacking-dispute-2014-12?r=US
several security experts says north korea wasnt behind sony hacks but was rather an insider job
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/12/18/why-its-still-not-certain-north-korea-is-behind-the-sony-hack/?tid=hp_m
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30554444
http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-north-koreas-internet-links-restored-amid-us-hacking-dispute-2014-12?r=US
several security experts says north korea wasnt behind sony hacks but was rather an insider job
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/12/18/why-its-still-not-certain-north-korea-is-behind-the-sony-hack/?tid=hp_m
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30554444
1) Nobody knows if Sony was in fact hacked by North Korea
2) The U.S. has no reason to "retaliate" by DDoSing NK as retribution for hacking a US subsidiary of a Japanese company
3) Xbox Live/PS+ were brought down by a group of 3000 entitled, bored, frustrated kids who didn't get what they wanted for Christmas (Lizard Squad). Kim Dotcom paid them off with Mega vouchers to get them to stop, rofl.
In my opinion, no need to make connections where there aren't any.
Niko_JimsPlease stop saying that DDoS/renting out some botnet is hacking.
Also this
1) Nobody knows if Sony was in fact hacked by North Korea
2) The U.S. has no reason to "retaliate" by DDoSing NK as retribution for hacking a US subsidiary of a Japanese company
3) Xbox Live/PS+ were brought down by a group of 3000 entitled, bored, frustrated kids who didn't get what they wanted for Christmas (Lizard Squad). Kim Dotcom paid them off with Mega vouchers to get them to stop, rofl.
In my opinion, no need to make connections where there aren't any.
[quote=Niko_Jims]Please stop saying that DDoS/renting out some botnet is hacking.[/quote]
Also this
2) The U.S. has no reason to "retaliate" by DDoSing NK as retribution for hacking a US subsidiary of a Japanese company
3) Xbox Live/PS+ were brought down by a group of 3000 entitled, bored, frustrated kids who didn't get what they wanted for Christmas (Lizard Squad). Kim Dotcom paid them off with Mega vouchers to get them to stop, rofl.
In my opinion, no need to make connections where there aren't any.
[quote=Niko_Jims]Please stop saying that DDoS/renting out some botnet is hacking.[/quote]
Also this
my dog hacked the dog door by being too fat to get through
my dog hacked the dog door by being too fat to get through
I'm willing to bet that North Korea did not hack Sony. It was probably an insider job. The only proof existing against North Korea is that the malware used revealed links to other malware developed by North Korean hackers.
The fact is that the IP addresses all over the world were used during the hack, the hackers didn't even mention anything about The Interview after the hack until the media made a huge deal about it, and the hackers dumped all of the data. Why would a state that understands propaganda so well throw away such a massive amount of information?
The FBI is taking evidence just on the surface of the problem and assuming the worst - that North Korea hacked Sony to prevent a film about their leader being assassinated from being shown. I expect better out of the FBI, more evidence is needed before any finger pointing is done.
Rant incoming.
Oh, and just because North Korea's internet was down after Sony announced they would pull The Interview from theaters doesn't mean this is the United States seeking retaliation. North Korea has 24 IPs. DDoSing their internet wouldn't be that difficult, and could have been conducted by any novice hacker.
And the whole thing with Lizard Squad hacking Sony and Microsoft so that people couldn't use their new console they received for Christmas, that's just bogus. They claimed it was just to bring awareness to show that these companies have limited security, but it was just one big middle finger to the average citizen. They even went on claiming they could have hacked Wall Street and the White House. Their twitter page is full of threats.
I don't even get the whole hacking thing either, there's better ways to make your point than shut down someone's "weak" system. Any system can be hacked if you throw enough at it. These people are terrorists, not in the traditional way we think of, but something needs to be done about these guys. Maybe it would be better if the media just ignored them as a whole.
TL;DR: I don't think North Korea hacked Sony. It's just a jerk reaction by the FBI, and I'm sure the United States did not hack North Korea back. Groups like Lizard Squad are terrorizing companies and citizens, and it should be stopped immediately.
I'm willing to bet that North Korea did not hack Sony. It was probably an insider job. The only proof existing against North Korea is that the malware used revealed links to other malware developed by North Korean hackers.
The fact is that the IP addresses all over the world were used during the hack, the hackers didn't even mention anything about The Interview after the hack until the media made a huge deal about it, and the hackers dumped all of the data. Why would a state that understands propaganda so well throw away such a massive amount of information?
The FBI is taking evidence just on the surface of the problem and assuming the worst - that North Korea hacked Sony to prevent a film about their leader being assassinated from being shown. I expect better out of the FBI, more evidence is needed before any finger pointing is done.
Rant incoming.
Oh, and just because North Korea's internet was down after Sony announced they would pull The Interview from theaters doesn't mean this is the United States seeking retaliation. North Korea has 24 IPs. DDoSing their internet wouldn't be that difficult, and could have been conducted by any novice hacker.
And the whole thing with Lizard Squad hacking Sony and Microsoft so that people couldn't use their new console they received for Christmas, that's just bogus. They claimed it was just to bring awareness to show that these companies have limited security, but it was just one big middle finger to the average citizen. They even went on claiming they could have hacked Wall Street and the White House. Their twitter page is full of threats.
I don't even get the whole hacking thing either, there's better ways to make your point than shut down someone's "weak" system. Any system can be hacked if you throw enough at it. These people are terrorists, not in the traditional way we think of, but something needs to be done about these guys. Maybe it would be better if the media just ignored them as a whole.
TL;DR: I don't think North Korea hacked Sony. It's just a jerk reaction by the FBI, and I'm sure the United States did not hack North Korea back. Groups like Lizard Squad are terrorizing companies and citizens, and it should be stopped immediately.
The fact is that the IP addresses all over the world were used during the hack, the hackers didn't even mention anything about The Interview after the hack until the media made a huge deal about it, and the hackers dumped all of the data. Why would a state that understands propaganda so well throw away such a massive amount of information?
The FBI is taking evidence just on the surface of the problem and assuming the worst - that North Korea hacked Sony to prevent a film about their leader being assassinated from being shown. I expect better out of the FBI, more evidence is needed before any finger pointing is done.
Rant incoming.
Oh, and just because North Korea's internet was down after Sony announced they would pull The Interview from theaters doesn't mean this is the United States seeking retaliation. North Korea has 24 IPs. DDoSing their internet wouldn't be that difficult, and could have been conducted by any novice hacker.
And the whole thing with Lizard Squad hacking Sony and Microsoft so that people couldn't use their new console they received for Christmas, that's just bogus. They claimed it was just to bring awareness to show that these companies have limited security, but it was just one big middle finger to the average citizen. They even went on claiming they could have hacked Wall Street and the White House. Their twitter page is full of threats.
I don't even get the whole hacking thing either, there's better ways to make your point than shut down someone's "weak" system. Any system can be hacked if you throw enough at it. These people are terrorists, not in the traditional way we think of, but something needs to be done about these guys. Maybe it would be better if the media just ignored them as a whole.
TL;DR: I don't think North Korea hacked Sony. It's just a jerk reaction by the FBI, and I'm sure the United States did not hack North Korea back. Groups like Lizard Squad are terrorizing companies and citizens, and it should be stopped immediately.
Would IRL DDOSsing just be Black Friday at Walmart?
Would IRL DDOSsing just be Black Friday at Walmart?
maidosthe official words are that us denies the cyber attacks
http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-north-koreas-internet-links-restored-amid-us-hacking-dispute-2014-12?r=US
Take that statement with a grain of salt since the US government is pretty secretive when they go on the offensive (obviously). They're the biggest buyer of zero-day exploits and if they wanted to wreck havoc in a country like China they could easily do so. That being said it's really hard to break into North Korea from the US since they're so isolated and highly monitored. US government involvement in the retaliation is pretty unlikely.
[quote=maidos]the official words are that us denies the cyber attacks
http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-north-koreas-internet-links-restored-amid-us-hacking-dispute-2014-12?r=US[/quote]
Take that statement with a grain of salt since the US government is pretty secretive when they go on the offensive (obviously). They're the biggest buyer of zero-day exploits and if they wanted to wreck havoc in a country like China they could easily do so. That being said it's really hard to break into North Korea from the US since they're so isolated and highly monitored. US government involvement in the retaliation is pretty unlikely.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-north-koreas-internet-links-restored-amid-us-hacking-dispute-2014-12?r=US[/quote]
Take that statement with a grain of salt since the US government is pretty secretive when they go on the offensive (obviously). They're the biggest buyer of zero-day exploits and if they wanted to wreck havoc in a country like China they could easily do so. That being said it's really hard to break into North Korea from the US since they're so isolated and highly monitored. US government involvement in the retaliation is pretty unlikely.
Look at the bigger picture
Sony is breached one month before the film was scheduled for release, yet I don't buy into that it's due to being an offensive film for KJI & party. This initially was a case of blackmailing a successful company, demanding for lots of money or we delete all your shit/make public type deal - and then The Interview was conveniently being released at the end of the next month. Of course NK were well aware that a film about the assassination of their leader was going to be made, probably even when it was first in concept(licensing, rights) they knew. So potentially one to two years ago they could have known this was coming out. And sure they could actually be behind all of this, outsourcing tasks to underground groups/whatever, but why go about it the way they did? Surely NK has the means to do much more damage than what we saw. Despite how crazy the leaders have been over there it really doesn't add up when you consider the facts. If they wanted to start a (cyber)war, they would make it apparent.
It makes more sense to believe that whatever group is doing this is because they simply can. Honestly, it looks like a poor attempt to start an actual war between two countries using pretty basic methods. Sure, at face value, it makes sense that NK might be behind all of this, but it really doesn't at the same time. The news reports in recent days don't help the issue at all. We fucked up majorly by reporting to the news that Nk was "definitely behind" all of this after the first day, then we backpedal the rest of the week lol. I feel like they are just riding out the public opinion wave extremely well, whoever these fuckers are. I mean for seven days they had two countries go ballistic on each other over weak claims, slowly coaxing both countries population towards war mentality. It's kind of hilarious actually.
I feel like the group that did this -
1) knew that Sony was a vulnerable target (laid-off system administrator who was pissed perhaps???)
2) needed a "spotlight" successful company for more rapid/efficient news confusion
3) took advantage of The Interview being released thanks to the obviously offensive content
4) group motive changes - this now becomes a giant fuck you to two nations who hate each other/possibly in hopes of starting a war
Why? Why not? We'll just have to wait. It would suck though if this was the beginning of a never ending cyber war with permanently anonymous hackers you literally cannot touch. I think we're all pretty aware of the possible turmoil that could stem from a cyber war between two countries, I hope atleast......
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Look at the bigger picture
Sony is breached one month before the film was scheduled for release, yet I don't buy into that it's due to being an offensive film for KJI & party. This initially was a case of blackmailing a successful company, demanding for lots of money or we delete all your shit/make public type deal - and then The Interview was conveniently being released at the end of the next month. Of course NK were well aware that a film about the assassination of their leader was going to be made, probably even when it was first in concept(licensing, rights) they knew. So potentially one to two years ago they could have known this was coming out. And sure they could actually be behind all of this, outsourcing tasks to underground groups/whatever, but why go about it the way they did? Surely NK has the means to do much more damage than what we saw. Despite how crazy the leaders have been over there it really doesn't add up when you consider the facts. If they wanted to start a (cyber)war, they would make it apparent.
It makes more sense to believe that whatever group is doing this is because they simply can. Honestly, it looks like a poor attempt to start an actual war between two countries using pretty basic methods. Sure, at face value, it makes sense that NK might be behind all of this, but it really doesn't at the same time. The news reports in recent days don't help the issue at all. We fucked up majorly by reporting to the news that Nk was "definitely behind" all of this after the first day, then we backpedal the rest of the week lol. I feel like they are just riding out the public opinion wave extremely well, whoever these fuckers are. I mean for seven days they had two countries go ballistic on each other over weak claims, slowly coaxing both countries population towards war mentality. It's kind of hilarious actually.
I feel like the group that did this -
1) knew that Sony was a vulnerable target (laid-off system administrator who was pissed perhaps???)
2) needed a "spotlight" successful company for more rapid/efficient news confusion
3) took advantage of The Interview being released thanks to the obviously offensive content
4) group motive changes - this now becomes a giant fuck you to two nations who hate each other/possibly in hopes of starting a war
Why? Why not? We'll just have to wait. It would suck though if this was the beginning of a never ending cyber war with permanently anonymous hackers you literally cannot touch. I think we're all pretty aware of the possible turmoil that could stem from a cyber war between two countries, I hope atleast......
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Sony is breached one month before the film was scheduled for release, yet I don't buy into that it's due to being an offensive film for KJI & party. This initially was a case of blackmailing a successful company, demanding for lots of money or we delete all your shit/make public type deal - and then The Interview was conveniently being released at the end of the next month. Of course NK were well aware that a film about the assassination of their leader was going to be made, probably even when it was first in concept(licensing, rights) they knew. So potentially one to two years ago they could have known this was coming out. And sure they could actually be behind all of this, outsourcing tasks to underground groups/whatever, but why go about it the way they did? Surely NK has the means to do much more damage than what we saw. Despite how crazy the leaders have been over there it really doesn't add up when you consider the facts. If they wanted to start a (cyber)war, they would make it apparent.
It makes more sense to believe that whatever group is doing this is because they simply can. Honestly, it looks like a poor attempt to start an actual war between two countries using pretty basic methods. Sure, at face value, it makes sense that NK might be behind all of this, but it really doesn't at the same time. The news reports in recent days don't help the issue at all. We fucked up majorly by reporting to the news that Nk was "definitely behind" all of this after the first day, then we backpedal the rest of the week lol. I feel like they are just riding out the public opinion wave extremely well, whoever these fuckers are. I mean for seven days they had two countries go ballistic on each other over weak claims, slowly coaxing both countries population towards war mentality. It's kind of hilarious actually.
I feel like the group that did this -
1) knew that Sony was a vulnerable target (laid-off system administrator who was pissed perhaps???)
2) needed a "spotlight" successful company for more rapid/efficient news confusion
3) took advantage of The Interview being released thanks to the obviously offensive content
4) group motive changes - this now becomes a giant fuck you to two nations who hate each other/possibly in hopes of starting a war
Why? Why not? We'll just have to wait. It would suck though if this was the beginning of a never ending cyber war with permanently anonymous hackers you literally cannot touch. I think we're all pretty aware of the possible turmoil that could stem from a cyber war between two countries, I hope atleast......
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[quote=d_b]they hate us cuz they anus[/quote]
do you ever feel like a plastic bag
do you ever feel like a plastic bag
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