Rikachuloose cannon is incredible though
disagree. one or two times a game it will be incredible but if you can aim pipes, default pipes are far superior, especially with stickies being worse.
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[quote=Rikachu]loose cannon is incredible though[/quote]
disagree. one or two times a game it will be incredible but if you can aim pipes, default pipes are far superior, especially with stickies being worse.
disagree. one or two times a game it will be incredible but if you can aim pipes, default pipes are far superior, especially with stickies being worse.
Valve vs. Demo Mains:
Valve vs. Demo Mains:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CamPXxfl7Lw[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CamPXxfl7Lw[/youtube]
to add on to my thoughts about scouts:
to add on to my thoughts about scouts:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/jRIcjV4.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/jRIcjV4.jpg[/img]
MaxHaxI do feel like demo is much less a great target to focus on pushes and whatnot. Like picking the demo doesn't feel as important. Playing demo in pugs at least, I felt as though I needed to be closer to the fight to be impactful, but not as safe and more likely to die. He definitely doesn't feel like a class that needs to limited to 1 any more. I mean pipes still hit hard, and stickies on the ground I've seen still do 115+ in the right situations. Also, I'm not advocating for him being at 2, just saying how less important he is now.
He's limited to 1 because of traps, not spam. That hasn't been changed.
[quote=MaxHax]I do feel like demo is much less a great target to focus on pushes and whatnot. Like picking the demo doesn't feel as important. Playing demo in pugs at least, I felt as though I needed to be closer to the fight to be impactful, but not as safe and more likely to die. He definitely doesn't feel like a class that needs to limited to 1 any more. I mean pipes still hit hard, and stickies on the ground I've seen still do 115+ in the right situations. Also, I'm not advocating for him being at 2, just saying how less important he is now.[/quote]
He's limited to 1 because of traps, not spam. That hasn't been changed.
He's limited to 1 because of traps, not spam. That hasn't been changed.
If valve wants to make demo more skillful they should definitely remove the RNG elements of the class (projectile path variance). It doesn't make sense to reduce the damage radius when the projectile path variance will often determine whether a sticky hits or not. This was always a problem but the nerf has made it more prominent.
My favorite thing about the update, by far, is the iron bomber(Can this be unbanned please?); due to the tighter spread my pipes actually go where i want them to. This nerf would be very reasonable if they removed the RNG elements of the class.
If valve wants to make demo more skillful they should definitely remove the RNG elements of the class (projectile path variance). It doesn't make sense to reduce the damage radius when the projectile path variance will often determine whether a sticky hits or not. This was always a problem but the nerf has made it more prominent.
My favorite thing about the update, by far, is the iron bomber(Can this be unbanned please?); due to the tighter spread my pipes actually go where i want them to. This nerf would be very reasonable if they removed the RNG elements of the class.
My favorite thing about the update, by far, is the iron bomber(Can this be unbanned please?); due to the tighter spread my pipes actually go where i want them to. This nerf would be very reasonable if they removed the RNG elements of the class.
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I think mustards just trying to make a case for demo so that it's made even easier. Then after his 16000 hours of play he can be above low im!!!
I think mustards just trying to make a case for demo so that it's made even easier. Then after his 16000 hours of play he can be above low im!!!
if i ever shoot two stickies the exact same way
and one of the stickies goes a different way then the first sticky
i will be amazed
if i ever shoot two stickies the exact same way
and one of the stickies goes a different way then the first sticky
i will be amazed
and one of the stickies goes a different way then the first sticky
i will be amazed
the nerf sucks but it seems like this nerf is gonna stick, and since its valve i wouldnt hold my breath waiting for this to change. may as well accept it and adapt play style's accordingly
the nerf sucks but it seems like this nerf is gonna stick, and since its valve i wouldnt hold my breath waiting for this to change. may as well accept it and adapt play style's accordingly
MoyI don't understand what's so bad about the nerf. I still do around the same amount of damage and, ultimately, the demo is still strong. Demos can still completely trap/spam off huge areas of the map, and stickies aren't that hard to do damage with if you just try to refine your aim with the projectiles.
It's a good way to cater to the pub community whiners about stickies, as well as catering to the comp players by requiring better aim.
Anyway, even if the nerf makes the game more pocket-centric, what's wrong with that? Might as well change the game's meta so that we get a little variety every once and a while.
thats cuz you did 200 dpm before the update moron
[quote=Moy]I don't understand what's so bad about the nerf. I still do around the same amount of damage and, ultimately, the demo is still strong. Demos can still completely trap/spam off huge areas of the map, and stickies aren't that hard to do damage with if you just try to refine your aim with the projectiles.
It's a good way to cater to the pub community whiners about stickies, as well as catering to the comp players by requiring better aim.
Anyway, even if the nerf makes the game more pocket-centric, what's wrong with that? Might as well change the game's meta so that we get a little variety every once and a while.[/quote]
thats cuz you did 200 dpm before the update moron
It's a good way to cater to the pub community whiners about stickies, as well as catering to the comp players by requiring better aim.
Anyway, even if the nerf makes the game more pocket-centric, what's wrong with that? Might as well change the game's meta so that we get a little variety every once and a while.[/quote]
thats cuz you did 200 dpm before the update moron
mustardoverlordPersonally, I find the change very frustrating, as I feel like my playstyle (ie I was never exactly a pipe god) has been affected a lot in particular, and a lot of shots that would have hit before no longer do.
it's almost as though you have to employ skill to play the game as demo now
i mean you don't, but you can't be quite as braindead as before i guess
[quote=mustardoverlord]Personally, I find the change very frustrating, as I feel like my playstyle (ie I was never exactly a pipe god) has been affected a lot in particular, and a lot of shots that would have hit before no longer do.[/quote]
it's almost as though you have to employ skill to play the game as demo now
i mean you don't, but you can't be quite as braindead as before i guess
it's almost as though you have to employ skill to play the game as demo now
i mean you don't, but you can't be quite as braindead as before i guess
choochoomustardoverlordPersonally, I find the change very frustrating, as I feel like my playstyle (ie I was never exactly a pipe god) has been affected a lot in particular, and a lot of shots that would have hit before no longer do.
it's almost as though you have to employ skill to play the game as demo now
i mean you don't, but you can't be quite as braindead as before i guess
LOL, this 1000x times!
Also hooli, i dont know if you are sober when you play or not, but besides rollers, projectiles go where you aim and have a predictable path. RNG elements HAVE BEEN nerfed since the damage variance of pipes has been reduced.
What's exactly so hard about aiming stickies, or (in the perspective you can't) wait for them to land, for example, when you are locking down a choke behind the first enemy that got in? It's not exactly like you can't afford to prefire sticks everywhere and everytime...
Finally, mustardoverlord, if you indend this rant to be read by somebody else than the esea players circle please dont use esea links as I believe we can't see them if not registered (at least i cant). So please use images.
[quote=choochoo][quote=mustardoverlord]Personally, I find the change very frustrating, as I feel like my playstyle (ie I was never exactly a pipe god) has been affected a lot in particular, and a lot of shots that would have hit before no longer do.[/quote]
it's almost as though you have to employ skill to play the game as demo now
i mean you don't, but you can't be quite as braindead as before i guess[/quote]
LOL, this 1000x times!
Also hooli, i dont know if you are sober when you play or not, but besides rollers, projectiles go where you aim and have a predictable path. RNG elements HAVE BEEN nerfed since the damage variance of pipes has been reduced.
What's exactly so hard about aiming stickies, or (in the perspective you can't) wait for them to land, for example, when you are locking down a choke behind the first enemy that got in? It's not exactly like you can't afford to prefire sticks everywhere and everytime...
Finally, mustardoverlord, if you indend this rant to be read by somebody else than the esea players circle please dont use esea links as I believe we can't see them if not registered (at least i cant). So please use images.
it's almost as though you have to employ skill to play the game as demo now
i mean you don't, but you can't be quite as braindead as before i guess[/quote]
LOL, this 1000x times!
Also hooli, i dont know if you are sober when you play or not, but besides rollers, projectiles go where you aim and have a predictable path. RNG elements HAVE BEEN nerfed since the damage variance of pipes has been reduced.
What's exactly so hard about aiming stickies, or (in the perspective you can't) wait for them to land, for example, when you are locking down a choke behind the first enemy that got in? It's not exactly like you can't afford to prefire sticks everywhere and everytime...
Finally, mustardoverlord, if you indend this rant to be read by somebody else than the esea players circle please dont use esea links as I believe we can't see them if not registered (at least i cant). So please use images.
TwiggychoochoomustardoverlordPersonally, I find the change very frustrating, as I feel like my playstyle (ie I was never exactly a pipe god) has been affected a lot in particular, and a lot of shots that would have hit before no longer do.
it's almost as though you have to employ skill to play the game as demo now
i mean you don't, but you can't be quite as braindead as before i guess
LOL, this 1000x times!
Also hooli, i dont know if you are sober when you play or not, but besides rollers, projectiles go where you aim and have a predictable path. RNG elements HAVE BEEN nerfed since the damage variance of pipes has been reduced.
What's exactly so hard about aiming stickies, or (in the perspective you can't) wait for them to land, for example, when you are locking down a choke behind the first enemy that got in? It's not exactly like you can't afford to prefire sticks everywhere and everytime...
Finally, mustardoverlord, if you indend this rant to be read by somebody else than the esea players circle please dont use esea links as I believe we can't see them if not registered (at least i cant). So please use images.
ok i'm not really smart or anything but let me do some googling. the average response time for the average human is 25 milliseconds for a visual stimuli and the sticky itself arms in .7 seconds. Scouts move at 400 hammer units/second. the scout moves 3 times the radius and soldiers move twice the distance in 1 second, meaning if you're shooting at someone you're only really going to hit 1 out of every two stickies in the best of situations and stickies got nerfed so they only do like what 115 if they're right under you? honestly the class is just as broken as it was the last update only now we're chalking it up to demomen being bad.
also since the nerf the radius of a sticky is only as large as a rocket so trying to shoot them at the floor is a little pointless as well. .7 second arm time and scouts move 2.5 times that in a second. soldier only like 1.5. not as ridiculous as an air-det sticky but still notable.
[quote=Twiggy][quote=choochoo][quote=mustardoverlord]Personally, I find the change very frustrating, as I feel like my playstyle (ie I was never exactly a pipe god) has been affected a lot in particular, and a lot of shots that would have hit before no longer do.[/quote]
it's almost as though you have to employ skill to play the game as demo now
i mean you don't, but you can't be quite as braindead as before i guess[/quote]
LOL, this 1000x times!
Also hooli, i dont know if you are sober when you play or not, but besides rollers, projectiles go where you aim and have a predictable path. RNG elements HAVE BEEN nerfed since the damage variance of pipes has been reduced.
What's exactly so hard about aiming stickies, or (in the perspective you can't) wait for them to land, for example, when you are locking down a choke behind the first enemy that got in? It's not exactly like you can't afford to prefire sticks everywhere and everytime...
Finally, mustardoverlord, if you indend this rant to be read by somebody else than the esea players circle please dont use esea links as I believe we can't see them if not registered (at least i cant). So please use images.[/quote]
ok i'm not really smart or anything but let me do some googling. the average response time for the average human is 25 milliseconds for a visual stimuli and the sticky itself arms in .7 seconds. Scouts move at 400 hammer units/second. the scout moves 3 times the radius and soldiers move twice the distance in 1 second, meaning if you're shooting at someone you're only really going to hit 1 out of every two stickies in the best of situations and stickies got nerfed so they only do like what 115 if they're right under you? honestly the class is just as broken as it was the last update only now we're chalking it up to demomen being bad.
also since the nerf the radius of a sticky is only as large as a rocket so trying to shoot them at the floor is a little pointless as well. .7 second arm time and scouts move 2.5 times that in a second. soldier only like 1.5. not as ridiculous as an air-det sticky but still notable.
it's almost as though you have to employ skill to play the game as demo now
i mean you don't, but you can't be quite as braindead as before i guess[/quote]
LOL, this 1000x times!
Also hooli, i dont know if you are sober when you play or not, but besides rollers, projectiles go where you aim and have a predictable path. RNG elements HAVE BEEN nerfed since the damage variance of pipes has been reduced.
What's exactly so hard about aiming stickies, or (in the perspective you can't) wait for them to land, for example, when you are locking down a choke behind the first enemy that got in? It's not exactly like you can't afford to prefire sticks everywhere and everytime...
Finally, mustardoverlord, if you indend this rant to be read by somebody else than the esea players circle please dont use esea links as I believe we can't see them if not registered (at least i cant). So please use images.[/quote]
ok i'm not really smart or anything but let me do some googling. the average response time for the average human is 25 milliseconds for a visual stimuli and the sticky itself arms in .7 seconds. Scouts move at 400 hammer units/second. the scout moves 3 times the radius and soldiers move twice the distance in 1 second, meaning if you're shooting at someone you're only really going to hit 1 out of every two stickies in the best of situations and stickies got nerfed so they only do like what 115 if they're right under you? honestly the class is just as broken as it was the last update only now we're chalking it up to demomen being bad.
also since the nerf the radius of a sticky is only as large as a rocket so trying to shoot them at the floor is a little pointless as well. .7 second arm time and scouts move 2.5 times that in a second. soldier only like 1.5. not as ridiculous as an air-det sticky but still notable.
the esea links work fine for me and I'm not registered there.
the esea links work fine for me and I'm not registered there.
Saltysally1Twiggyok i'm not really smart or anything but let me do some googling. the average response time for the average human is 25 milliseconds for a visual stimuli and the sticky itself arms in .7 seconds. Scouts move at 400 hammer units/second. the scout moves 3 times the radius and soldiers move twice the distance in 1 second, meaning if you're shooting at someone you're only really going to hit 1 out of every two stickies in the best of situations and stickies got nerfed so they only do like what 115 if they're right under you? honestly the class is just as broken as it was the last update only now we're chalking it up to demomen being bad.choochoomustardoverlordPersonally, I find the change very frustrating, as I feel like my playstyle (ie I was never exactly a pipe god) has been affected a lot in particular, and a lot of shots that would have hit before no longer do.
it's almost as though you have to employ skill to play the game as demo now
i mean you don't, but you can't be quite as braindead as before i guess
LOL, this 1000x times!
Also hooli, i dont know if you are sober when you play or not, but besides rollers, projectiles go where you aim and have a predictable path. RNG elements HAVE BEEN nerfed since the damage variance of pipes has been reduced.
What's exactly so hard about aiming stickies, or (in the perspective you can't) wait for them to land, for example, when you are locking down a choke behind the first enemy that got in? It's not exactly like you can't afford to prefire sticks everywhere and everytime...
Finally, mustardoverlord, if you indend this rant to be read by somebody else than the esea players circle please dont use esea links as I believe we can't see them if not registered (at least i cant). So please use images.
also since the nerf the radius of a sticky is only as large as a rocket so trying to shoot them at the floor is a little pointless as well. .7 second arm time and scouts move 2.5 times that in a second. soldier only like 1.5. not as ridiculous as an air-det sticky but still notable.
youre not factoring ping NOR are you factoring in the actual time it takes to press a key after realizing whats happening on screen.
with all those factors humans peak out at around 160ms response time for visual stimuli (as many "reaction time tests" have shown)
[quote=Saltysally1][quote=Twiggy][quote=choochoo][quote=mustardoverlord]Personally, I find the change very frustrating, as I feel like my playstyle (ie I was never exactly a pipe god) has been affected a lot in particular, and a lot of shots that would have hit before no longer do.[/quote]
it's almost as though you have to employ skill to play the game as demo now
i mean you don't, but you can't be quite as braindead as before i guess[/quote]
LOL, this 1000x times!
Also hooli, i dont know if you are sober when you play or not, but besides rollers, projectiles go where you aim and have a predictable path. RNG elements HAVE BEEN nerfed since the damage variance of pipes has been reduced.
What's exactly so hard about aiming stickies, or (in the perspective you can't) wait for them to land, for example, when you are locking down a choke behind the first enemy that got in? It's not exactly like you can't afford to prefire sticks everywhere and everytime...
Finally, mustardoverlord, if you indend this rant to be read by somebody else than the esea players circle please dont use esea links as I believe we can't see them if not registered (at least i cant). So please use images.[/quote]
ok i'm not really smart or anything but let me do some googling. the average response time for the average human is 25 milliseconds for a visual stimuli and the sticky itself arms in .7 seconds. Scouts move at 400 hammer units/second. the scout moves 3 times the radius and soldiers move twice the distance in 1 second, meaning if you're shooting at someone you're only really going to hit 1 out of every two stickies in the best of situations and stickies got nerfed so they only do like what 115 if they're right under you? honestly the class is just as broken as it was the last update only now we're chalking it up to demomen being bad.
also since the nerf the radius of a sticky is only as large as a rocket so trying to shoot them at the floor is a little pointless as well. .7 second arm time and scouts move 2.5 times that in a second. soldier only like 1.5. not as ridiculous as an air-det sticky but still notable.[/quote]
youre not factoring ping NOR are you factoring in the actual time it takes to press a key after realizing whats happening on screen.
with all those factors humans peak out at around 160ms response time for visual stimuli (as many "reaction time tests" have shown)
it's almost as though you have to employ skill to play the game as demo now
i mean you don't, but you can't be quite as braindead as before i guess[/quote]
LOL, this 1000x times!
Also hooli, i dont know if you are sober when you play or not, but besides rollers, projectiles go where you aim and have a predictable path. RNG elements HAVE BEEN nerfed since the damage variance of pipes has been reduced.
What's exactly so hard about aiming stickies, or (in the perspective you can't) wait for them to land, for example, when you are locking down a choke behind the first enemy that got in? It's not exactly like you can't afford to prefire sticks everywhere and everytime...
Finally, mustardoverlord, if you indend this rant to be read by somebody else than the esea players circle please dont use esea links as I believe we can't see them if not registered (at least i cant). So please use images.[/quote]
ok i'm not really smart or anything but let me do some googling. the average response time for the average human is 25 milliseconds for a visual stimuli and the sticky itself arms in .7 seconds. Scouts move at 400 hammer units/second. the scout moves 3 times the radius and soldiers move twice the distance in 1 second, meaning if you're shooting at someone you're only really going to hit 1 out of every two stickies in the best of situations and stickies got nerfed so they only do like what 115 if they're right under you? honestly the class is just as broken as it was the last update only now we're chalking it up to demomen being bad.
also since the nerf the radius of a sticky is only as large as a rocket so trying to shoot them at the floor is a little pointless as well. .7 second arm time and scouts move 2.5 times that in a second. soldier only like 1.5. not as ridiculous as an air-det sticky but still notable.[/quote]
youre not factoring ping NOR are you factoring in the actual time it takes to press a key after realizing whats happening on screen.
with all those factors humans peak out at around 160ms response time for visual stimuli (as many "reaction time tests" have shown)
downpourSaltysally1Twiggyok i'm not really smart or anything but let me do some googling. the average response time for the average human is 25 milliseconds for a visual stimuli and the sticky itself arms in .7 seconds. Scouts move at 400 hammer units/second. the scout moves 3 times the radius and soldiers move twice the distance in 1 second, meaning if you're shooting at someone you're only really going to hit 1 out of every two stickies in the best of situations and stickies got nerfed so they only do like what 115 if they're right under you? honestly the class is just as broken as it was the last update only now we're chalking it up to demomen being bad.choochoomustardoverlordPersonally, I find the change very frustrating, as I feel like my playstyle (ie I was never exactly a pipe god) has been affected a lot in particular, and a lot of shots that would have hit before no longer do.
it's almost as though you have to employ skill to play the game as demo now
i mean you don't, but you can't be quite as braindead as before i guess
LOL, this 1000x times!
Also hooli, i dont know if you are sober when you play or not, but besides rollers, projectiles go where you aim and have a predictable path. RNG elements HAVE BEEN nerfed since the damage variance of pipes has been reduced.
What's exactly so hard about aiming stickies, or (in the perspective you can't) wait for them to land, for example, when you are locking down a choke behind the first enemy that got in? It's not exactly like you can't afford to prefire sticks everywhere and everytime...
Finally, mustardoverlord, if you indend this rant to be read by somebody else than the esea players circle please dont use esea links as I believe we can't see them if not registered (at least i cant). So please use images.
also since the nerf the radius of a sticky is only as large as a rocket so trying to shoot them at the floor is a little pointless as well. .7 second arm time and scouts move 2.5 times that in a second. soldier only like 1.5. not as ridiculous as an air-det sticky but still notable.
youre not factoring ping NOR are you factoring in the actual time it takes to press a key after realizing whats happening on screen.
with all those factors humans peak out at around 160ms response time for visual stimuli (as many "reaction time tests" have shown)
i mean in a perfect scenario where the demo is hosting the server i suppose
[quote=downpour][quote=Saltysally1][quote=Twiggy][quote=choochoo][quote=mustardoverlord]Personally, I find the change very frustrating, as I feel like my playstyle (ie I was never exactly a pipe god) has been affected a lot in particular, and a lot of shots that would have hit before no longer do.[/quote]
it's almost as though you have to employ skill to play the game as demo now
i mean you don't, but you can't be quite as braindead as before i guess[/quote]
LOL, this 1000x times!
Also hooli, i dont know if you are sober when you play or not, but besides rollers, projectiles go where you aim and have a predictable path. RNG elements HAVE BEEN nerfed since the damage variance of pipes has been reduced.
What's exactly so hard about aiming stickies, or (in the perspective you can't) wait for them to land, for example, when you are locking down a choke behind the first enemy that got in? It's not exactly like you can't afford to prefire sticks everywhere and everytime...
Finally, mustardoverlord, if you indend this rant to be read by somebody else than the esea players circle please dont use esea links as I believe we can't see them if not registered (at least i cant). So please use images.[/quote]
ok i'm not really smart or anything but let me do some googling. the average response time for the average human is 25 milliseconds for a visual stimuli and the sticky itself arms in .7 seconds. Scouts move at 400 hammer units/second. the scout moves 3 times the radius and soldiers move twice the distance in 1 second, meaning if you're shooting at someone you're only really going to hit 1 out of every two stickies in the best of situations and stickies got nerfed so they only do like what 115 if they're right under you? honestly the class is just as broken as it was the last update only now we're chalking it up to demomen being bad.
also since the nerf the radius of a sticky is only as large as a rocket so trying to shoot them at the floor is a little pointless as well. .7 second arm time and scouts move 2.5 times that in a second. soldier only like 1.5. not as ridiculous as an air-det sticky but still notable.[/quote]
youre not factoring ping NOR are you factoring in the actual time it takes to press a key after realizing whats happening on screen.
with all those factors humans peak out at around 160ms response time for visual stimuli (as many "reaction time tests" have shown)[/quote]
i mean in a perfect scenario where the demo is hosting the server i suppose
it's almost as though you have to employ skill to play the game as demo now
i mean you don't, but you can't be quite as braindead as before i guess[/quote]
LOL, this 1000x times!
Also hooli, i dont know if you are sober when you play or not, but besides rollers, projectiles go where you aim and have a predictable path. RNG elements HAVE BEEN nerfed since the damage variance of pipes has been reduced.
What's exactly so hard about aiming stickies, or (in the perspective you can't) wait for them to land, for example, when you are locking down a choke behind the first enemy that got in? It's not exactly like you can't afford to prefire sticks everywhere and everytime...
Finally, mustardoverlord, if you indend this rant to be read by somebody else than the esea players circle please dont use esea links as I believe we can't see them if not registered (at least i cant). So please use images.[/quote]
ok i'm not really smart or anything but let me do some googling. the average response time for the average human is 25 milliseconds for a visual stimuli and the sticky itself arms in .7 seconds. Scouts move at 400 hammer units/second. the scout moves 3 times the radius and soldiers move twice the distance in 1 second, meaning if you're shooting at someone you're only really going to hit 1 out of every two stickies in the best of situations and stickies got nerfed so they only do like what 115 if they're right under you? honestly the class is just as broken as it was the last update only now we're chalking it up to demomen being bad.
also since the nerf the radius of a sticky is only as large as a rocket so trying to shoot them at the floor is a little pointless as well. .7 second arm time and scouts move 2.5 times that in a second. soldier only like 1.5. not as ridiculous as an air-det sticky but still notable.[/quote]
youre not factoring ping NOR are you factoring in the actual time it takes to press a key after realizing whats happening on screen.
with all those factors humans peak out at around 160ms response time for visual stimuli (as many "reaction time tests" have shown)[/quote]
i mean in a perfect scenario where the demo is hosting the server i suppose
Salty you do realize the armtime is 0.8 correct?
Stickybombs that detonate in the air now have a radius ramp up, starting at 85% at base arm time (0.8s) going back to 100% over 2 seconds.
Just throwing that out there for anyone who didn't actually know the armtime.
Salty you do realize the armtime is 0.8 correct?
[quote]Stickybombs that detonate in the air now have a radius ramp up, starting at 85% at base arm time (0.8s) going back to 100% over 2 seconds.[/quote]
Just throwing that out there for anyone who didn't actually know the armtime.
[quote]Stickybombs that detonate in the air now have a radius ramp up, starting at 85% at base arm time (0.8s) going back to 100% over 2 seconds.[/quote]
Just throwing that out there for anyone who didn't actually know the armtime.
ExclusiveAliasSalty you do realize the armtime is 0.8 correct?
Stickybombs that detonate in the air now have a radius ramp up, starting at 85% at base arm time (0.8s) going back to 100% over 2 seconds.
Just throwing that out there for anyone who didn't actually know the armtime.
Well that strengthens the point then but I was quoting the tf wiki. Thanks
Also it's like I said, I'm not really smart or anything but the numbers are interesting to say the least am I wrong downpour?
Edit again: another point is that these numbers are assuming the demo shoots a sticky and the scouts run the full distance of the stick radius when in actuality they would only need to run half of the radius if the demo is shooting the sticky directly at the scout, the scout moves 6 times half of the radius of a sticky!
[quote=ExclusiveAlias]Salty you do realize the armtime is 0.8 correct?
[quote]Stickybombs that detonate in the air now have a radius ramp up, starting at 85% at base arm time (0.8s) going back to 100% over 2 seconds.[/quote]
Just throwing that out there for anyone who didn't actually know the armtime.[/quote]
Well that strengthens the point then but I was quoting the tf wiki. Thanks
Also it's like I said, I'm not really smart or anything but the numbers are interesting to say the least am I wrong downpour?
Edit again: another point is that these numbers are assuming the demo shoots a sticky and the scouts run the full distance of the stick radius when in actuality they would only need to run half of the radius if the demo is shooting the sticky directly at the scout, the scout moves 6 times half of the radius of a sticky!
[quote]Stickybombs that detonate in the air now have a radius ramp up, starting at 85% at base arm time (0.8s) going back to 100% over 2 seconds.[/quote]
Just throwing that out there for anyone who didn't actually know the armtime.[/quote]
Well that strengthens the point then but I was quoting the tf wiki. Thanks
Also it's like I said, I'm not really smart or anything but the numbers are interesting to say the least am I wrong downpour?
Edit again: another point is that these numbers are assuming the demo shoots a sticky and the scouts run the full distance of the stick radius when in actuality they would only need to run half of the radius if the demo is shooting the sticky directly at the scout, the scout moves 6 times half of the radius of a sticky!
It's not like any of these posts will convince the TF2 team that their decision was unnecessary. Unless the TF2 team is bipolar as fuck, I don't see stickies being "normal" again. All of you demo mains will get used to it and develop new ways of playing (possibly) in order to compensate. But I main scout and not demo, so what do I know, I guess.
It's not like any of these posts will convince the TF2 team that their decision was unnecessary. Unless the TF2 team is bipolar as fuck, I don't see stickies being "normal" again. All of you demo mains will get used to it and develop new ways of playing (possibly) in order to compensate. But I main scout and not demo, so what do I know, I guess.
Saltysally1MoyI don't understand what's so bad about the nerf. I still do around the same amount of damage and, ultimately, the demo is still strong. Demos can still completely trap/spam off huge areas of the map, and stickies aren't that hard to do damage with if you just try to refine your aim with the projectiles.thats cuz you did 200 dpm before the update moron
It's a good way to cater to the pub community whiners about stickies, as well as catering to the comp players by requiring better aim.
Anyway, even if the nerf makes the game more pocket-centric, what's wrong with that? Might as well change the game's meta so that we get a little variety every once and a while.
[quote=Saltysally1][quote=Moy]I don't understand what's so bad about the nerf. I still do around the same amount of damage and, ultimately, the demo is still strong. Demos can still completely trap/spam off huge areas of the map, and stickies aren't that hard to do damage with if you just try to refine your aim with the projectiles.
It's a good way to cater to the pub community whiners about stickies, as well as catering to the comp players by requiring better aim.
Anyway, even if the nerf makes the game more pocket-centric, what's wrong with that? Might as well change the game's meta so that we get a little variety every once and a while.[/quote]
thats cuz you did 200 dpm before the update moron[/quote]
http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/328691
It's a good way to cater to the pub community whiners about stickies, as well as catering to the comp players by requiring better aim.
Anyway, even if the nerf makes the game more pocket-centric, what's wrong with that? Might as well change the game's meta so that we get a little variety every once and a while.[/quote]
thats cuz you did 200 dpm before the update moron[/quote]
http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/328691
boy cherry picking scrims really proves him wrong!!
http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/325739
http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/328153
http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/325770
boy cherry picking scrims really proves him wrong!!
http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/325739
http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/328153
http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/325770
http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/325739
http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/328153
http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/325770
having only played snakewater and process games since the nerf and renerf with falloff, I haven't had much else to gauge on its impact. I will definitely feel it come viaduct, and have more on its impact that I've seen following then, but for now the biggest thing is just being easier to bum-rush with little consequence.
Adapting may mean playing hella passive, and I feel like the trade-off of high aggression and damage punished by getting rushed while low on clip size is better than being able to land 2 stickies on a scout and still get killed.
I piped a scout on snakewater second, he grabbed the pack near point and I placed a great sticky while he rushed me that hit for 87 damage, and he lived on 1 health and got the kill while semi-airborne
having only played snakewater and process games since the nerf and renerf with falloff, I haven't had much else to gauge on its impact. I will definitely feel it come viaduct, and have more on its impact that I've seen following then, but for now the biggest thing is just being easier to bum-rush with little consequence.
Adapting may mean playing hella passive, and I feel like the trade-off of high aggression and damage punished by getting rushed while low on clip size is better than being able to land 2 stickies on a scout and still get killed.
I piped a scout on snakewater second, he grabbed the pack near point and I placed a great sticky while he rushed me that hit for 87 damage, and he lived on 1 health and got the kill while semi-airborne
Adapting may mean playing hella passive, and I feel like the trade-off of high aggression and damage punished by getting rushed while low on clip size is better than being able to land 2 stickies on a scout and still get killed.
I piped a scout on snakewater second, he grabbed the pack near point and I placed a great sticky while he rushed me that hit for 87 damage, and he lived on 1 health and got the kill while semi-airborne
mustardoverlordI had like 1400 hours in demo before the nerf and it almost feels like I wasted a lot of the time.
did it take you that long to realize this?
[quote=mustardoverlord]I had like 1400 hours in demo before the nerf and it almost feels like I wasted a lot of the time.[/quote]
did it take you that long to realize this?
did it take you that long to realize this?
I can't kill the whole team without aiming anymore >:(((((((((
Every Demo in Invite seems to be doing fine.
I can't kill the whole team without aiming anymore >:(((((((((
Every Demo in Invite seems to be doing fine.
Every Demo in Invite seems to be doing fine.
u do realize the goal of the nerf was to lower demoman's damage out put right?
good job proving that valve accomplished what they wanted, but u kind of forgot the part where u menetiond that it ruind the game
u do realize the goal of the nerf was to lower demoman's damage out put right?
good job proving that valve accomplished what they wanted, but u kind of forgot the part where u menetiond that it ruind the game
good job proving that valve accomplished what they wanted, but u kind of forgot the part where u menetiond that it ruind the game
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