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Saw adren do a review of this mouse called "FinalMouse"
http://youtu.be/3XbldYEDEJ0

http://finalmouse.com/

Other mice with same sensor
Corsair Raptor M45
Mionix Naos 7000
?

Specs
Sensor: Pixart 3310
Switches: Omron Switches (tested for 10 Million Clicks)
Weight: 74g
DPI levels: 400, 800, 1600, 3200
Poll Rate: Locked at 500Hz
Drivers: None
Max Tracking Speed: Likely similar to that of the Corsair M45s about 4.5 m/s

Price: Roughly $70USD http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MX8QSLW

Any thoughts?

Personally I think the lock at 500Hz is weird and uncalled for.

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Thought this was worth linking http://www.esreality.com/post/2697681/final-mouse-first-impressions/

Saw adren do a review of this mouse called "FinalMouse"
http://youtu.be/3XbldYEDEJ0

http://finalmouse.com/

Other mice with same sensor
Corsair Raptor M45
Mionix Naos 7000
?

Specs
Sensor: Pixart 3310
Switches: Omron Switches (tested for 10 Million Clicks)
Weight: 74g
DPI levels: 400, 800, 1600, 3200
Poll Rate: Locked at 500Hz
Drivers: None
Max Tracking Speed: Likely similar to that of the Corsair M45s about 4.5 m/s

Price: Roughly $70USD http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MX8QSLW?tag=teamfortresst-20

Any thoughts?

Personally I think the lock at 500Hz is weird and uncalled for.

-edit-
Thought this was worth linking http://www.esreality.com/post/2697681/final-mouse-first-impressions/
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#2
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"pure performance for elite esport athletes"

"pure performance for elite esport athletes"
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#3
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fatswimdude"pure performance for elite esport athletes"

yeah marketing scheme is getting pretty cliche honestly. Razer, Zowie, Ninox, Steel Series, almost all brands say the same shit.

[quote=fatswimdude]"pure performance for elite esport athletes"[/quote]

yeah marketing scheme is getting pretty cliche honestly. Razer, Zowie, Ninox, Steel Series, almost all brands say the same shit.
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#4
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https://i.imgur.com/6IMaNAy.jpg

[img]https://i.imgur.com/6IMaNAy.jpg[/img]
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Raytekhttps://i.imgur.com/6IMaNAy.jpg

Same shell different specs. Also saves a lot of money for reusing OEM shells. But that pretty much knocks out their claim of "The meticulous craftsmanship and engineering is concluded with a 100% QC factory inspection on every unit."

-edit-
Also makes the $70 price tag even more ridiculous.

[quote=Raytek][img]https://i.imgur.com/6IMaNAy.jpg[/img][/quote]

Same shell different specs. Also saves a lot of money for reusing OEM shells. But that pretty much knocks out their claim of "The meticulous craftsmanship and engineering is concluded with a 100% QC factory inspection on every unit."

-edit-
Also makes the $70 price tag even more ridiculous.
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#6
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I was about to call it overpriced then I remembered most mice are in that price range at this point which is already bullshit but unless build quality is amazing it's nothing special compared to zowie etc.
Reading that was so cringe worthy though.

I was about to call it overpriced then I remembered most mice are in that price range at this point which is already bullshit but unless build quality is amazing it's nothing special compared to zowie etc.
Reading that was so cringe worthy though.
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#7
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i've read some reviews on the finalmouse and it seems like the problem with these startup mice is the inconsistent build quality. a lot of people complaining about mouse feet scraping and the grips coming off or whatever.. kinda the same case with the ninox cable problems and mouse click issues. they listen to the community and know what they want but don't really have the money other established companies do to produce quality products (not trying to slay them, but even logitech can make every mouse perfect)

i've read some reviews on the finalmouse and it seems like the problem with these startup mice is the inconsistent build quality. a lot of people complaining about mouse feet scraping and the grips coming off or whatever.. kinda the same case with the ninox cable problems and mouse click issues. they listen to the community and know what they want but don't really have the money other established companies do to produce quality products (not trying to slay them, but even logitech can make every mouse perfect)
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#8
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fucking qtpie's review

fucking qtpie's review
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#9
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My DA died. I was looking out for a new mouse. I heard excellent things about the sensor implementation and customer support for this mouse, so I jumped on it. Will post a short review after it arrives.

My DA died. I was looking out for a new mouse. I heard excellent things about the sensor implementation and customer support for this mouse, so I jumped on it. Will post a short review after it arrives.
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#10
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Wow that's fucking garbage specs for the price.

Wow that's fucking garbage specs for the price.
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#11
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TwistedWow that's fucking garbage specs for the price.

nothing wrong with the specs, other than not being able to poll at 1000hz.
sensor and switches are fine. low weight is preferred by many gamers.
other than that, it's really down to materials(build quality) and mouse implementation.

though, personally i never understood why people have been so hyped over this one.
the 3310 is no big deal anymore as it's found in plenty of mice nowadays.
above all, i simply don't understand the price for an OEM shell and 500hz.
i know mouse implentation matters, but for a price like this you'd want something more than good sensor implementation.

just maybe, if the cost was halved...

[quote=Twisted]Wow that's fucking garbage specs for the price.[/quote]
nothing wrong with the specs, other than not being able to poll at 1000hz.
sensor and switches are fine. low weight is preferred by many gamers.
other than that, it's really down to materials(build quality) and mouse implementation.

though, personally i never understood why people have been so hyped over this one.
the 3310 is no big deal anymore as it's found in plenty of mice nowadays.
above all, i simply don't understand the price for an OEM shell and 500hz.
i know mouse implentation matters, but for a price like this you'd want something more than good sensor implementation.

just maybe, if the cost was halved...
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>the 3310 is no big deal anymore as it's found in plenty of mice nowadays.

Afaik the KPM is the only other mouse with a perfect implementation of the 3310.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1514896/wierd-findings-with-my-kone-pure-military/70#post_23072531

Other gems:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1485849/review-of-3310-sensor-mice-steelseries-rival-mionix-avior-7000
http://www.overclock.net/t/1531877/finalmouse-2015/890#post_23716867
http://www.overclock.net/t/1531877/finalmouse-2015/1090#post_23888361

>the 3310 is no big deal anymore as it's found in plenty of mice nowadays.

Afaik the KPM is the only other mouse with a perfect implementation of the 3310.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1514896/wierd-findings-with-my-kone-pure-military/70#post_23072531

Other gems:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1485849/review-of-3310-sensor-mice-steelseries-rival-mionix-avior-7000
http://www.overclock.net/t/1531877/finalmouse-2015/890#post_23716867
http://www.overclock.net/t/1531877/finalmouse-2015/1090#post_23888361
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#13
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wareya>the 3310 is no big deal anymore as it's found in plenty of mice nowadays.

Afaik the KPM is the only other mouse with a perfect implementation of the 3310.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1514896/wierd-findings-with-my-kone-pure-military/70#post_23072531

Other gems:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1485849/review-of-3310-sensor-mice-steelseries-rival-mionix-avior-7000
http://www.overclock.net/t/1531877/finalmouse-2015/890#post_23716867
http://www.overclock.net/t/1531877/finalmouse-2015/1090#post_23888361

I don't know why people quote that guy's rants as facts so frequently when it's all completely baseless and subjective.

[quote=wareya]>the 3310 is no big deal anymore as it's found in plenty of mice nowadays.

Afaik the KPM is the only other mouse with a perfect implementation of the 3310.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1514896/wierd-findings-with-my-kone-pure-military/70#post_23072531

Other gems:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1485849/review-of-3310-sensor-mice-steelseries-rival-mionix-avior-7000
http://www.overclock.net/t/1531877/finalmouse-2015/890#post_23716867
http://www.overclock.net/t/1531877/finalmouse-2015/1090#post_23888361[/quote]

I don't know why people quote that guy's rants as facts so frequently when it's all completely baseless and subjective.
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almost as bad as quoting r0ach

almost as bad as quoting r0ach
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ComangliaBut that pretty much knocks out their claim of "The meticulous craftsmanship and engineering is concluded with a 100% QC factory inspection on every unit."

Are we looking at the same picture because I see a QC sticker right in front of my face

[quote=Comanglia]But that pretty much knocks out their claim of "The meticulous craftsmanship and engineering is concluded with a 100% QC factory inspection on every unit."[/quote]

Are we looking at the same picture because I see a QC sticker right in front of my face
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genericI don't know why people quote that guy's rants as facts so frequently when it's all completely baseless and subjective.

The specific posts I linked contain more than the "feels worse"/"feels better" lines; stuff that's verifiable by anyone, like "The bug is present in many recent mice, and it's already been fixed in the FM". I only linked his posts because it was easier to search for 3310 information by adding him as a keyword as well. Are you just disregarding anything someone says because they do make feel observations and go on rants?

[quote=generic]
I don't know why people quote that guy's rants as facts so frequently when it's all completely baseless and subjective.[/quote]
The specific posts I linked contain more than the "feels worse"/"feels better" lines; stuff that's verifiable by anyone, like "The bug is present in many recent mice, and it's already been fixed in the FM". I only linked his posts because it was easier to search for 3310 information by adding him as a keyword as well. Are you just disregarding anything someone says because they do make feel observations and go on rants?
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#17
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Images:
http://imgur.com/ljTlowO,0qJ5mS2,bttaZjD,eMePbM2,BKF7xcT

Cons:
- Sensor occasionally glitches out and stops tracking for a very short period of time (or tracks on a very low DPI; I can't tell which). (This might be because of my cheap mousepad, but it's still a problem)
- Mouse buttons are so sensitive that if I put pressure on them and put down the mouse then they can actuate without clicking
Pros:
- Sensor is extremely responsive and accurate, even on my cheap artscow mousepad (when it's not glitching)
- Lift off distance is just under 1 CD thickness
- LOD, shell sole, and sensor placement allow you to slightly tilt the mouse while tracking/adjusting (critical for me)
- Shape is extremely comfortable and ergonomic. I would make adjustments for my grip but they would make palm grips worse. Ring finger and pinky are much more well-mounted in fingertip grip than the DA.
- Click latency is A++, more than 10ms faster than the DA 3.5g. Hitscan is extremely comfortable and responsive
- For some reason (probably the light weight) it's much easier for my fingertip grip to make accurate large vertical movements than the 3.5g
- Tracks on more surfaces than my 3.5g, for example, my desk
- Scrollwheel is fantastic
- I can make extremely minor adjustments to position that I could not with the 3.5g. I might stop using the quake mouse acceleration driver because of this.

I will be getting in contact with customer service about the glitching problem. I will note the mouse button sensitivity as well.

I use my mouse at a high DPI with low sensitivity settings because this makes mouse acceleration more accurate, but that might change if the response bug is caused by that high DPI setting.

I was not using mouse acceleration while testing this mouse.

Update: The glitch might be caused by my USB hub.

Update: I haven't encountered the glitch since I removed my USB hub, I'll get back here if I have it again.

Update: The glitch is still happening.

Images:
http://imgur.com/ljTlowO,0qJ5mS2,bttaZjD,eMePbM2,BKF7xcT

Cons:
- [b]Sensor occasionally glitches out and stops tracking for a very short period of time (or tracks on a very low DPI; I can't tell which).[/b] (This might be because of my cheap mousepad, but it's still a problem)
- Mouse buttons are so sensitive that if I put pressure on them and put down the mouse then they can actuate without clicking
Pros:
- Sensor is extremely responsive and accurate, even on my cheap artscow mousepad (when it's not glitching)
- Lift off distance is just under 1 CD thickness
- LOD, shell sole, and sensor placement allow you to slightly tilt the mouse while tracking/adjusting (critical for me)
- Shape is extremely comfortable and ergonomic. I would make adjustments for my grip but they would make palm grips worse. Ring finger and pinky are much more well-mounted in fingertip grip than the DA.
- Click latency is A++, more than 10ms faster than the DA 3.5g. Hitscan is extremely comfortable and responsive
- For some reason (probably the light weight) it's much easier for my fingertip grip to make accurate large vertical movements than the 3.5g
- Tracks on more surfaces than my 3.5g, for example, my desk
- Scrollwheel is fantastic
- I can make extremely minor adjustments to position that I could not with the 3.5g. I might stop using the quake mouse acceleration driver because of this.

I will be getting in contact with customer service about the glitching problem. I will note the mouse button sensitivity as well.

I use my mouse at a high DPI with low sensitivity settings because this makes mouse acceleration more accurate, but that might change if the response bug is caused by that high DPI setting.

I was not using mouse acceleration while testing this mouse.

Update: The glitch might be caused by my USB hub.

Update: I haven't encountered the glitch since I removed my USB hub, I'll get back here if I have it again.

Update: The glitch is still happening.
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wareyagenericI don't know why people quote that guy's rants as facts so frequently when it's all completely baseless and subjective.The specific posts I linked contain more than the "feels worse"/"feels better" lines; stuff that's verifiable by anyone, like "The bug is present in many recent mice, and it's already been fixed in the FM". I only linked his posts because it was easier to search for 3310 information by adding him as a keyword as well. Are you just disregarding anything someone says because they do make feel observations and go on rants?

Isn't the "bug" the sensor recalibrating mid game?
Because I've only ever heard that being reported for the FM and the KPM. Zowie, Mionix, SS rival etc. were never affected afaik. Sure, they have good return policies, but that's coupled with selling by far the least reliable mouse at that price range, so it kind of evens out. Anything else, really? These claims about the sensor feeling more raw on those two mice are not only unverifiable but incredibly obnoxious when they are constantly given as facts.

[quote=wareya][quote=generic]
I don't know why people quote that guy's rants as facts so frequently when it's all completely baseless and subjective.[/quote]
The specific posts I linked contain more than the "feels worse"/"feels better" lines; stuff that's verifiable by anyone, like "The bug is present in many recent mice, and it's already been fixed in the FM". I only linked his posts because it was easier to search for 3310 information by adding him as a keyword as well. Are you just disregarding anything someone says because they do make feel observations and go on rants?[/quote]

Isn't the "bug" the sensor recalibrating mid game?
Because I've only ever heard that being reported for the FM and the KPM. Zowie, Mionix, SS rival etc. were never affected afaik. Sure, they have good return policies, but that's coupled with selling by far the least reliable mouse at that price range, so it kind of evens out. Anything else, really? These claims about the sensor feeling more raw on those two mice are not only unverifiable but incredibly obnoxious when they are constantly given as facts.
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#19
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++ for detailed review.
how does the material feel? got a good grip with it?

(for reliability's sake, i wouldn't recommend using a mouse (or keyboard) through any external hub.)

++ for detailed review.
how does the material feel? got a good grip with it?

(for reliability's sake, i wouldn't recommend using a mouse (or keyboard) through any external hub.)
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#20
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>Isn't the "bug" the sensor recalibrating mid game?

The bug that quote was referring to is the sensor changing DPI settings on you, even to ones that it shouldn't be able to (FM going to 950 DPI for example)

Matthew got a FM that had this bug, they sent a replacement that had it fixed. It only exists on early batches of FMs.

>(for reliability's sake, i wouldn't recommend using a mouse (or keyboard) through any external hub.)

This, don't be an idjit like me.

>how does the material feel? got a good grip with it?

I get a great grip. The thumb area's texture is a little annoying but I can trivially overlook it. It would only be a problem if I had a scab or cut on the palm side of my thumb.

>Isn't the "bug" the sensor recalibrating mid game?

The bug that quote was referring to is the sensor changing DPI settings on you, even to ones that it shouldn't be able to (FM going to 950 DPI for example)

Matthew got a FM that had this bug, they sent a replacement that had it fixed. It only exists on early batches of FMs.

>(for reliability's sake, i wouldn't recommend using a mouse (or keyboard) through any external hub.)

This, don't be an idjit like me.

>how does the material feel? got a good grip with it?

I get a great grip. The thumb area's texture is a little annoying but I can trivially overlook it. It would only be a problem if I had a scab or cut on the palm side of my thumb.
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