I love parking the bus

If you're talking about the eu ruleset that has been disproved time and time again, it's all in teams mentality, NA ruleset is as much or even more prone to stalemates than EU ruleset

Not mentioning the increased logistics of running the na ruleset which implies external plugins, etc...

i like the eu ruleset more but i dont get how that would increase the competition

I think we should be moving towards united rules and whitelists, but people will be very reluctant to change. There are merits to both ways of running the rules, personally I think EU is better because it's better for scheduling and provides tense time-based moments towards the end of close games but equally there are problems (dead time at the end of maps for a few minutes, no half-time, potential for stalemates - though that doesn't happen in practice).

It's not fair we have b4nny though. King of stalemate tf2

https://youtu.be/bUhj_Tk0stE?t=8m35s

i like halftime and i dont like playing 2 maps a week
what they use at iseries isnt important because iseries might not always be the big tf2 lan

Can't we have an organization like FIS or FIFA?

if the majority of people is asking for it we can push eaea admins to at least consider it(idk if it hasn't been considered recently or in the past)

fifa lol

Well between both maps it's technically halftime.

Also afaik all other scenes are using EU rules (Ozfortress, AsiaFortress) and i think fbtf as well.

ozfortress has halves actually.

As a viewer I personally prefer a EU style, 2 30min maps makes it short and sweet, and as kaneco mentioned, you get a sort of half time between maps.

Long matches might me nice because it means more TF2 for the viewer but it drags if no one pushes for 20 minutes

question for teams that scrim and practice alot, do you not get tiered of doing scrims on the same map all week? The second map ads diversity

Can someone say what the differences between leagues/regions are? I thought I knew the ruleset differences but this thread's made me realize that I've got no clue.

A team that needs and uses the 'halftime' in europe to talk things through will already have condeded the points for one whole map. While in NA, both maps in the week have a half time so you get the chance to gather your heads and pull it back and get points for each map.

Also has that unpredictability of being 2 different maps, can lead to 1 team win 1 map and then the other team being more experienced in the second map. I find it a good change of pace and as a viewer is interesting as well seing performance of the same team on 2 different maps.

i stand corrected

And we can never fight, 'parking the bus' teams can do it on any rule set, except EU rule makes it end faster if it's a bad game

Halftime is a great feature imo, I really like it, but it does rely on a plugin. In the 2nd half there's no way built into the game of setting the winlimits properly.

In addition to this halftime is important because most maps have different stuff on red and blu sides, and even if it's only a tiny difference (like process or gully) it could still make a huge difference. Hopefully we will be switching to granary pro soon so at least the massive differences per side on granary won't be an issue if halftime is removed.

NA and AU: One map per match and week. The first half is first to 3 rounds won or 30 minutes, whichever comes first. The second half is first to 5 total rounds won (between first and second halves), or 30 minutes, whichever comes first. If the teams are tied after the second half, there is then a tiebreaker (golden cap) round.

EU: Two maps per week and match. For each map, there are 30 minutes allowed. If any team is up by 5 rounds at any point, they win the map and move on to the other one. If the score is tied at the end of 30 minutes for either map, play a tiebreaker round on that map. 3 points for winning a map outright, 2 for winning in golden cap, 1 for losing in golden cap, 0 if lost normally. Add points earned for all maps throughout the season to determine placement.

then we add a rule like in tennis, switch sides every 3 rounds

http://www.teamfortress.tv/thread/18949/ruleset-discussion

I'd love to see a season of ESEA where we try out the 30 minute time limit and / or 5 win difference. Though to be more realistic, maybe trying the ruleset in a tournament or something first. But NA has already had exposure to the ruleset, and overall I just think the games flow better, we shouldn't be afraid of trying this out.

halves AND 2 maps WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Most NA teams scrim 30 minutes with win limit 5
I've always been confused as to why we don't play matches and scrims with the same setups
I really like the idea of half time for each map, gives time to correct errors for that map specifically
playing two maps / week wouldn't be bad, any team I am on would scrim the first then the second map back to back with the same team much like how euros do it now

GXL ran EU ruleset last year and it wasn't bad
stalemates originate more from play than from rulesets
I'm curious as to how 2 20 minute half 2 map setup windifference 5 would work, matches would work out to be about 90-100 minutes long which is not really that ridiculous in my mind

Just throwing an idea out there: How about trying the option of a three-minute freeze time(like a time out) at the start of a new round(once per map, once per team), using the EU ruleset? You could make a chat command which has to be given before the next round's freeze time stops or before the next round begins, just like pauses.

That's a suggestion that's been thrown around for a while but no one's actually tested it to the best of my knowledge.

Prem players have been asking for strategic pauses to be allowed for ages now and some faked real pauses (*cough* ipz's mouse *cough*) to get them.

Ok, let's not follow this path

The problem with utilizing pre-round freeze time is that the map timer does not stop (and cannot be stopped manually with how it's implemented by Valve), so any such timeout eats into map time, which is ripe for strategic abuse.

We have it already, it's called TFTV!

Ah, that's a real bummer. Would it be impossible to add five minutes of map time when the freeze is initiated? I guess you could just do it with a pause if it's impossible.