Mustard overlord is over 10k and still not invite

i guess prevail got stuck in steel 6k hours ago

Only about a quarter of his hours are in-game

http://steamcommunity.com/id/mustardoverlord/stats/TF2

no resets? you sure?

I don't think that it says when you have around 10,000 hours that you're at your full potential, just that people who have 10,000 hours sort of stand out and are generally the most successful at whatever thing it is.

maybe his full potential isn't invite lolol

http://puu.sh/j3dD7.jpg

just a couple more weeks of 100+ hours and i'll be invite in no time

thats all the proof i need!!

the 10k hours rule refers to deliberate practice which is quite different from ordinary practice in that its highly focused and error corrective.

as far as reaching your full potential after 10k hours i really doubt that, firstly how could such a thing even be measured? much of learning occurs during sleep where experiences are translated into neurons and their myelin sheaths (an electrical insulating material believed to be highly responsible for skill development) are reinforced along with many other things. there are also many different types of skills in a given activity, for example a tennis player must develop their physical condition, ability to read and anticipate their opponent, as well as be creative and come up with strategies and shifts in playing style on the fly. each of these things vary in complexity and difficulty for each person and measuring them all would be nearly impossible.

http://v004o.popscreen.com/eFpxSmx6dnZJZVkx_o_thats-the-joke.jpg

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198025469129

I don't think so.

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Your problem is that you played pyro

I think it's meant more as a pithy approximation, of course some skills will take more/less time. The point gladwell tries to make with the 10k hours is that a great deal can be accomplished with a lot of well-used time, even to the point where one's "full potential" may be reached. It's not meant to be taken literally.

Lol that isn't me - Loveclop is notorious for being terrible at the game and having loads of hours and is practically TF2Centers mascot.

yeah i agree, if you look at most invite cs players most of them have a couple thousand hours and there's a lot of variation between their skill levels

i think 10k hours is a bit much honestly but for calling yourself a 'master' i guess its justified. most people who do really impressive things probably have around something in the range of 1-4k hours

you're better than 99% of the people that play the game even if you're bad relative to other people that are playing competitively

but you shouldnt take the hour count literally anyways. the take home is 'if you do something a lot you will probably get good at it and most people will never ever be willing to do that so theyre bad at everything'

i thought my 2,000 hours was a lot

if so, then that says a lot about tf2's skill ceiling :)

that one cheater has 16k hours and is prolly ugc iron

cheaters are a different species

Key thing here is deliberate practice

you can put tons of time into a lot of things but if that time is just spent fucking about its not going to mean much vs somebody who spends his time trying to improve and get better

you could be a master at practicing badly

You'd know slin :^)

outliers: if u spend a lot of time on something and you have a good background for a particular skill you will b successful

scoutwho isnt invite http://steamcommunity.com/id/4Twefqwd/

i think this is more applicable to things like language learning. if youre playing a game it's likely youre trying to win because thats the point of the game. everyone probably realizes that if you train in prophunt you probably arent going to get better.

kind of related is density of practice. people that do something a small amount over long stretches of time tend to be worse off than people that work on something in a huge burst in a short period of time

something unique to esports and certain genres is that some games are more demanding than others when it comes to certain skills and the frequency at which you use them.

take a game like an arena shooter for example, that genre is very demanding in aim and movement because of the speed and frequency which you need to do those things. now look at something like a moba where you're multitasking a lot (glancing at minimap, csing, checking builds) but none of those things by themselves are particularly hard and are less frequent compared to something constant like aiming/moving in a fps.

because of matchmaking you're also matched up with players of similar skill levels, with all these things combined you have a platform for rapid skill growth.

so honestly its no wonder that people get good extremely fast, combine that with the fact that compared to some others things esports aren't very physically demanding so you can recover really fast between sessions, meaning you never really have to take rest days if you don't want to.

lol my third post in this thread sorry this topic is really interesting to me

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The question I have is how "soon" these 10k hours have to be reached. If over 10 years of casually doing the same thing you finally reach 10k, will your potential peak the same if you managed 10k in 5 years instead?