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discord.gg
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Hey all,

I didn't see a thread on this (sorry if there already is one!) and I've been hearing a lot about it lately so I figured I'd throw up a thread here on TF.TV so people can check it out and give their opinions.

discord.gg is apparently the newest VoIP client to hit the market. It boasts a rich text chat (with the ability to add text channels to a server) as well as voice channels for people to communicate with one another. It's browser-based, but has a standalone client, and claims it minimizes CPU usage to boost FPS, has low latency for comms in games, and has DDoS and IP protection.

It's time to ditch Skype and TeamSpeak. Discord is here.

All-in-one voice and text chat for gamers that’s free, secure, and works on both your desktop and phone. Stop paying for TeamSpeak servers and hassling with Skype. Simplify your life.

You'll never go back.

I don't know if it'd be a viable mumble replacement or not, but I figured I'd get the word out so people could mess around with it on their own and post their findings.

Hey all,

I didn't see a thread on this (sorry if there already is one!) and I've been hearing a lot about it lately so I figured I'd throw up a thread here on TF.TV so people can check it out and give their opinions.

[url=https://discordapp.com/]discord.gg[/url] is apparently the newest VoIP client to hit the market. It boasts a rich text chat (with the ability to add text channels to a server) as well as voice channels for people to communicate with one another. It's browser-based, but has a standalone client, and claims it minimizes CPU usage to boost FPS, has low latency for comms in games, and has DDoS and IP protection.

[quote]It's time to ditch Skype and TeamSpeak. Discord is here.

All-in-one voice and text chat for gamers that’s free, secure, and works on both your desktop and phone. Stop paying for TeamSpeak servers and hassling with Skype. Simplify your life.

You'll never go back.[/quote]

I don't know if it'd be a viable mumble replacement or not, but I figured I'd get the word out so people could mess around with it on their own and post their findings.
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#2
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Stop paying for TeamSpeak servers and hassling with Skype. Simplify your life.

shots fired boys

looks exactly like slack but with voice?

[quote]Stop paying for TeamSpeak servers and hassling with Skype. Simplify your life.[/quote]

shots fired boys

looks exactly like slack but with voice?
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#3
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http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/megaman/images/6/69/Tuby1_exe3.png/revision/latest?cb=20120319045437

[img]http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/megaman/images/6/69/Tuby1_exe3.png/revision/latest?cb=20120319045437[/img]
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#4
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seems cool but has anyone tried it
(site specifically avoids mentioning mumble)

seems cool but has anyone tried it
(site specifically avoids mentioning mumble)
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#5
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its good

i use it for ff14 party finders
don't think itll replace mumble though

its good

i use it for ff14 party finders
don't think itll replace mumble though
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Momentum Mod
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raysDDoS and IP protection.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1540445964/Untitled_normal.png

[quote=rays]DDoS and IP protection. [/quote]

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1540445964/Untitled_normal.png[/img]
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#7
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LOL DOWNPOUR WTF IS THAT I WANT ONE

LOL DOWNPOUR WTF IS THAT I WANT ONE
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#8
TFLIVE
5 Frags +
Wholegrainseems cool but has anyone tried it
(site specifically avoids mentioning mumble)

Yeah I gave it a bit of a test run with some friends; works pretty smoothly, Yuki's comment sums it up pretty well.

[quote=Wholegrain]seems cool but has anyone tried it
(site specifically avoids mentioning mumble)[/quote]

Yeah I gave it a bit of a test run with some friends; works pretty smoothly, Yuki's comment sums it up pretty well.
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#9
11 Frags +
-protoLOL DOWNPOUR WTF IS THAT I WANT ONE

http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Trumpy
(the blue one Tuby drops a battlechip called Discord)
great game

[quote=-proto]LOL DOWNPOUR WTF IS THAT I WANT ONE[/quote]
http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Trumpy
(the blue one Tuby drops a battlechip called Discord)
great game
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#10
2 Frags +

wouldn't mind using it for personal calls with friends, but I still prefer mumble.

wouldn't mind using it for personal calls with friends, but I still prefer mumble.
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#11
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I've been using it for about a half hour, the web interface is actually really decent right out of the box with no setup.

They also have an API -- probably something for the tf2center / tf2 web pug systems to look into!

I've been using it for about a half hour, the web interface is actually really decent right out of the box with no setup.

They also have an API -- probably something for the tf2center / tf2 web pug systems to look into!
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#12
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miwoI've been using it for about a half hour, the web interface is actually really decent right out of the box with no setup.

They also have an API -- probably something for the tf2center / tf2 web pug systems to look into!

Yeah, apparently there have been rumors that they'll be working with Twitch / Night (BetterTTV) / sirstendec (FrankerFaceZ) to have integration with subs/mods on Twitch channels so that it'll be easy for someone to have a sub/mod server for their stream in the future, which is pretty cool too.

[quote=miwo]I've been using it for about a half hour, the web interface is actually really decent right out of the box with no setup.

They also have an API -- probably something for the tf2center / tf2 web pug systems to look into![/quote]

Yeah, apparently there have been rumors that they'll be working with Twitch / Night (BetterTTV) / sirstendec (FrankerFaceZ) to have integration with subs/mods on Twitch channels so that it'll be easy for someone to have a sub/mod server for their stream in the future, which is pretty cool too.
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#13
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Apparently you cannot host your own server, which really sucks. When compared to Mumble, Discord uses Opus, which is a successor to Speex (the audio codec used by Mumble) Mumble has been using Opus from 1.2.4. However, Discord isn't open source, and has no Linux port :(

Apparently you cannot host your own server, which really sucks. When compared to Mumble, Discord uses Opus, which is a successor to [s]Speex (the audio codec used by Mumble)[/s] Mumble has been using Opus from 1.2.4. However, Discord isn't open source, and has no Linux port :(
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#14
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I've been using slack for managing team stuff, so this seems to be a slightly better option if you're already doing that and using mumble. No overlay yet, but as soon as that comes around it's probably going to be just as good in terms of being a voice client. Obviously it's already way better for text chat than mumble and just as good as slack for text so that's pretty mint.

A bit skeptical of their business model though. I'm not sure people actually care that much about how their voice/textchat client look, so this could all crash and burn.

Not having it self-hosted is actually pretty nice. You give up a bit of control, but you gain so much in terms of ease of use. It's nice how accounts are global across all servers, and private messages are global as well instead of being per server (which is a bit of a pain with slack, I'm a part of about 3-4 slacks with overlap with some members or another).

I've been using slack for managing team stuff, so this seems to be a slightly better option if you're already doing that and using mumble. No overlay yet, but as soon as that comes around it's probably going to be just as good in terms of being a voice client. Obviously it's already way better for text chat than mumble and just as good as slack for text so that's pretty mint.

A bit skeptical of their business model though. I'm not sure people actually care that much about how their voice/textchat client look, so this could all crash and burn.

Not having it self-hosted is actually pretty nice. You give up a bit of control, but you gain so much in terms of ease of use. It's nice how accounts are global across all servers, and private messages are global as well instead of being per server (which is a bit of a pain with slack, I'm a part of about 3-4 slacks with overlap with some members or another).
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#15
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AndKennethNot having it self-hosted is actually pretty nice. You give up a bit of control, but you gain so much in terms of ease of use. It's nice how accounts are global across all servers, and private messages are global as well instead of being per server (which is a bit of a pain with slack, I'm a part of about 3-4 slacks with overlap with some members or another).

The issue that worries me a bit about not self-hosting is that it seems that it's all on one server, and may not be able to carry unexpected loads (a BTTV/FFZ stress test brought in 800 people which crashed it). The nice thing about mumble in comparison is that there's lots of servers and it limits connections to a specific capacity, and even if one server crashes yours won't be affected.

If you're looking for a straight up VoIP client, mumble is probably still the way to go; if you're looking for something more along the lines of Skype or Slack, Discord is looking like it'll be a strong alternative.

miwoI've been using it for about a half hour, the web interface is actually really decent right out of the box with no setup.

They also have an API -- probably something for the tf2center / tf2 web pug systems to look into!

Global hotkeys only work if you're using the standalone client, unfortunately - if you're on the browser version it only works if the window AND tab are the focus. It would pretty much end up requiring you to install a program anyways and working exactly like TF2Center's mumble works now.

[quote=AndKenneth]Not having it self-hosted is actually pretty nice. You give up a bit of control, but you gain so much in terms of ease of use. It's nice how accounts are global across all servers, and private messages are global as well instead of being per server (which is a bit of a pain with slack, I'm a part of about 3-4 slacks with overlap with some members or another).[/quote]

The issue that worries me a bit about not self-hosting is that it seems that it's all on one server, and may not be able to carry unexpected loads (a BTTV/FFZ stress test brought in 800 people which crashed it). The nice thing about mumble in comparison is that there's lots of servers and it limits connections to a specific capacity, and even if one server crashes yours won't be affected.

If you're looking for a straight up VoIP client, mumble is probably still the way to go; if you're looking for something more along the lines of Skype or Slack, Discord is looking like it'll be a strong alternative.

[quote=miwo]I've been using it for about a half hour, the web interface is actually really decent right out of the box with no setup.

They also have an API -- probably something for the tf2center / tf2 web pug systems to look into![/quote]

Global hotkeys only work if you're using the standalone client, unfortunately - if you're on the browser version it only works if the window AND tab are the focus. It would pretty much end up requiring you to install a program anyways and working exactly like TF2Center's mumble works now.
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I like the UI and the multiple channels feature is amazing.
The only thing missing is the in-game overlay but that feature is coming soon.
I would love to see discord used more so it can be tested under duress.

I like the UI and the multiple channels feature is amazing.
The only thing missing is the in-game overlay but that feature is coming soon.
I would love to see discord used more so it can be tested under duress.
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#17
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holy shit this is really good

i can use this at work to IRC with my earbuds in and the voice activation is actually good. and i get a free server!

EDIT ALSO YOU CAN SEND FILES OF ANY KIND AND IMAGES GET EMBEDDED AND THEY STAY IF YOU RECONNECT HOLY SHIT

http://i.imgur.com/eXnAY10.png

holy shit this is really good

i can use this at work to IRC with my earbuds in and the voice activation is actually good. and i get a free server!

EDIT ALSO YOU CAN SEND FILES OF ANY KIND AND IMAGES GET EMBEDDED AND THEY STAY IF YOU RECONNECT HOLY SHIT

http://i.imgur.com/eXnAY10.png
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#18
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I've been using discord with friends for the last few months and I have nothing but good reviews. I would love to see tf2 start using discord and I hope to see the service grow. However I am worried about how open groups are currently especially when it comes to something like putting pugs together.

I've been using discord with friends for the last few months and I have nothing but good reviews. I would love to see tf2 start using discord and I hope to see the service grow. However I am worried about how open groups are currently especially when it comes to something like putting pugs together.
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i don't think i'm able to upload larger files like STVs and maps (they upload but don't display). if anyone knows if there's a way to do so let me know, since that would be a really really useful feature

i don't think i'm able to upload larger files like STVs and maps (they upload but don't display). if anyone knows if there's a way to do so let me know, since that would be a really really useful feature
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#20
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This is actually a really cool service, would try maybe running pugs on it to just see the ease of use.(?)

This is actually a really cool service, would try maybe running pugs on it to just see the ease of use.(?)
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#21
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DrSqueaks I would love to see tf2 start using discord.

I doubt that will happen, especially for lobby/PUG systems. Mumble is pretty flexible when compared to Discord. For instance, you don't need to rely on a particular service for providing mumble servers (as opposed to Discord, which has a limited selection of available servers). Mumble servers can be easily controlled with a plethora of available interfaces (including web interfaces), and even has chatbots which respond to custom chat commands (my favourite being MumbleDJ).

Besides, Discord's Privacy Policy isn't that good:
"We may feature advertisements on our Service served by third parties. These advertisers may collect and use information about your visits to our Service in order to provide advertisements about goods and services of interest to you.
The Service may also contain third party tracking tools from service providers, an example of which includes the Facebook SDK. Hammer & Chisel may use these third parties’ APIs and/or SDKs in our Service, which may enable these third parties to analyze user information.
We currently do not participate in any “Do Not Track” frameworks that would allow us to respond to signals or other mechanisms from you regarding the collection of your information. We may engage third parties, such as marketing or analytics partners, who may collect information about your online activities over time and across different websites when you use our website."

[quote=DrSqueaks] I would love to see tf2 start using discord.[/quote]

I doubt that will happen, especially for lobby/PUG systems. Mumble is pretty flexible when compared to Discord. For instance, you don't need to rely on a particular service for providing mumble servers (as opposed to Discord, which has a limited selection of available servers). Mumble servers can be easily controlled with a plethora of available interfaces (including web interfaces), and even has chatbots which respond to custom chat commands (my favourite being [url=https://github.com/SFTtech/sftmumblebot]MumbleDJ[/url]).

Besides, Discord's Privacy Policy isn't that good:
[i]"We may feature [b]advertisements[/b] on our Service served by third parties. These advertisers may collect and use information about your visits to our Service in order to provide advertisements about goods and services of interest to you.
The Service may also contain third party tracking tools from service providers, an example of which includes the Facebook SDK. Hammer & Chisel may use these third parties’ APIs and/or SDKs in our Service, which may enable these third parties to analyze user information.
We currently [b]do not participate in any “Do Not Track” frameworks[/b] that would allow us to respond to signals or other mechanisms from you regarding the collection of your information. We may engage third parties, such as marketing or analytics partners, who may collect information about your online activities over time and across different websites when you use our website."[/i]
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#22
2 Frags +
vibhavpDrSqueaks I would love to see tf2 start using discord.snip

thank god for actually reading that privacy policy, but either way, there's interviews of the discord team saying that theyre going to start selling cosmetic things like voice packs to make money instead of advertisement, although the Do Not Track thing and the website tracking is FUCKED

@NinjaDC wouldnt really call using the same codec a negative lmao, and there are no ads (at least not yet???)

[quote=vibhavp][quote=DrSqueaks] I would love to see tf2 start using discord.[/quote]
snip
[/quote]

thank god for actually reading that privacy policy, but either way, there's interviews of the discord team saying that theyre going to start selling cosmetic things like voice packs to make money instead of advertisement, although the Do Not Track thing and the website tracking is FUCKED

@NinjaDC wouldnt really call using the same codec a negative lmao, and there are no ads (at least not yet???)
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#23
5 Frags +

So in summary
- Can't host your own server
- Not open source
- Doesn't use an upgraded voice codec to mumble
- No privacy opt out of data collection
- Features advertisements you have no control
over since you can't host a server
- Since most people use chrome, the web
interface will eat all your memory when
gaming, especially sucks for people
with potato computers
- Reliance on discord to keep their service
up and running

+ Ddos protection
+ API
+ Nice interface
+ Web interface means it can be
easily cross platform compatible
+ Host your own channel easily

Stick with mumble, imo.

So in summary
- Can't host your own server
- Not open source
- Doesn't use an upgraded voice codec to mumble
- No privacy opt out of data collection
- Features advertisements you have no control
over since you can't host a server
- Since most people use chrome, the web
interface will eat all your memory when
gaming, especially sucks for people
with potato computers
- Reliance on discord to keep their service
up and running

+ Ddos protection
+ API
+ Nice interface
+ Web interface means it can be
easily cross platform compatible
+ Host your own channel easily

Stick with mumble, imo.
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#24
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downpour
Show Content

AW YIS MEGAMAN BATTLE NETWORK I literally just finished a quick casual playthrough of MMBN6 yesterday what is this timing

Seriously the day Capcom release a new MMBN (yes I know the series ended and it's not happening A MAN CAN DREAM) y'all can say goodbye, gonna go found MMBNTV and make competitive NetBattling a reel eSportz, you just watch

But yeah from having used it for literally like an hour Discord seems nice enough thus far - agreeing so far with the general consensus of it being nice for group projects/casual use as a kinda Skype/Slack wombo combo (what I'll most likely use it for) but not really suitable as a Mumble replacement for gaming, certainly not yet at any rate.

Will be keeping an eye this one!

[quote=downpour][spoiler][img]http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/megaman/images/6/69/Tuby1_exe3.png/revision/latest?cb=20120319045437[/img][/spoiler][/quote]

AW YIS MEGAMAN BATTLE NETWORK I literally just finished a quick casual playthrough of MMBN6 yesterday what is this timing

Seriously the day Capcom release a new MMBN (yes I know the series ended and it's not happening A MAN CAN DREAM) y'all can say goodbye, gonna go found MMBNTV and make competitive NetBattling a reel eSportz, you just watch

But yeah from having used it for literally like an hour Discord seems nice enough thus far - agreeing so far with the general consensus of it being nice for group projects/casual use as a kinda Skype/Slack wombo combo (what I'll most likely use it for) but not really suitable as a Mumble replacement for gaming, certainly not yet at any rate.

Will be keeping an eye this one!
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#25
5 Frags +

I think it would be great for the TFTV community to have it's own channel, but as far as competitive gaming goes, I'd opt for Mumble any day.

I think it would be great for the TFTV community to have it's own channel, but as far as competitive gaming goes, I'd opt for Mumble any day.
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#26
2 Frags +

also, discord uses less CPU than mumble, but more memory, and all the things coming on the way makes me sorta wanna switch when most of these come to fruition

https://i.gyazo.com/84c0ca0b392c1e8b9d152968f33bb45e.png

the official phone app is also p good

made tf.tv a discord server too for whatever reason
https://discord.gg/0Smo0KLDcoTiuWIN

edit: fixed, thanks Qun

also, discord uses less CPU than mumble, but more memory, and all the things coming on the way makes me sorta wanna switch when most of these come to fruition [img]https://i.gyazo.com/84c0ca0b392c1e8b9d152968f33bb45e.png[/img]

the official phone app is also p good

made tf.tv a discord server too for whatever reason
https://discord.gg/0Smo0KLDcoTiuWIN

edit: fixed, thanks Qun
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#27
Twitch
4 Frags +

I've been using it with some colleagues (as a fun side project) for a couple of weeks now and it's really solid.
The web version is nice to see how the service works, but I recommend downloading the desktop (and mobile) client straight after.

You can technically move over the entire TF2 community. It has IRC like channels (to find matches), voice channels and personal messages.
They recently launched an API, so linking this stuff to TF2Center for example should work.

Few downsides: You don't control the server (box) yourself, no sub-channels (yet), no temporary channels, no passworded channels and can get messy with a lot of users in the server.

It's a new service and I recommend checking it out. The devs are super active on Twitter, so please provide them with feedback. https://twitter.com/discordapp

I've been using it with some colleagues (as a fun side project) for a couple of weeks now and it's really solid.
The web version is nice to see how the service works, but I recommend downloading the desktop (and mobile) client straight after.

You can technically move over the entire TF2 community. It has IRC like channels (to find matches), voice channels and personal messages.
They recently launched an API, so linking this stuff to TF2Center for example should work.

Few downsides: You don't control the server (box) yourself, no sub-channels (yet), no temporary channels, no passworded channels and can get messy with a lot of users in the server.

It's a new service and I recommend checking it out. The devs are super active on Twitter, so please provide them with feedback. https://twitter.com/discordapp
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#28
Twitch
5 Frags +

Maybe someone can set up an official TF.TV Discord server, I'll message SLIN.

Maybe someone can set up an official TF.TV Discord server, I'll message SLIN.
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#29
1 Frags +
NinjaDC- Doesn't use an upgraded voice codec to mumble

Mumble's legacy fallback is to use speex, which is worse than opus, that discord uses by default.

- Features advertisements you have no control
over since you can't host a server

What ads? Their business model is selling cosmetics via microtransactions, not advertisements.

- Since most people use chrome, the web
interface will eat all your memory when
gaming, especially sucks for people
with potato computers

Use the desktop client.

Half of your negatives are imaginary problems.

[quote=NinjaDC]- Doesn't use an upgraded voice codec to mumble[/quote]
Mumble's legacy fallback is to use speex, which is worse than opus, that discord uses by default.

[quote]- Features advertisements you have no control
over since you can't host a server[/quote]
What ads? Their business model is selling cosmetics via microtransactions, not advertisements.

[quote]- Since most people use chrome, the web
interface will eat all your memory when
gaming, especially sucks for people
with potato computers[/quote]
Use the desktop client.

Half of your negatives are imaginary problems.
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#30
6 Frags +
MasterkuniMumble's legacy fallback is to use speex, which is worse than opus, that discord uses by default.

Why are you comparing the fallback codec of a client with the default codec of another? That doesn't make any sense.
Also, Mumble will only use speex if you lower the outgoing voice quality, which makes it friendlier for low-bandwidth environments.

MasterKuniHalf of your negatives are imaginary problems.NinjaDC- Can't host your own server
- Not open source
- Doesn't use an upgraded voice codec to mumble
- No privacy opt out of data collection
- Reliance on discord to keep their service
up and running

5/7 concerns of NinjaDC are pretty valid, don't see how's that "imaginary"

[quote=Masterkuni]Mumble's legacy fallback is to use speex, which is worse than opus, that discord uses by default.[/quote]

Why are you comparing the fallback codec of a client with the default codec of another? That doesn't make any sense.
Also, Mumble will only use speex if you lower the outgoing voice quality, which makes it friendlier for low-bandwidth environments.

[quote=MasterKuni]
Half of your negatives are imaginary problems.
[/quote]
[quote=NinjaDC]
- Can't host your own server
- Not open source
- Doesn't use an upgraded voice codec to mumble
- No privacy opt out of data collection
- Reliance on discord to keep their service
up and running
[/quote]

5/7 concerns of NinjaDC are pretty valid, don't see how's that "imaginary"
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