tactics.tf strategy tool

#31

deetr

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As far as I can tell you can just change the Viewer in a link to Controller and it's no longer read only. Might be useful to be able to give out the viewer links without everybody being able to update

#32

GentlemanJon

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deetrAs far as I can tell you can just change the Viewer in a link to Controller and it's no longer read only. Might be useful to be able to give out the viewer links without everybody being able to update

It does presuppose that members of your team don't want to sabotage your team talk, but if it's a serious problem I can beef up security. I do point out in the docs that it's possible but undesirable. Any saved work should definitely be safe.

[quote=deetr]As far as I can tell you can just change the Viewer in a link to Controller and it's no longer read only. Might be useful to be able to give out the viewer links without everybody being able to update[/quote]
It does presuppose that members of your team don't want to sabotage your team talk, but if it's a serious problem I can beef up security. I do point out in the docs that it's possible but undesirable. Any saved work should definitely be safe.

#33

XtheDuck

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Is there any chance you're going to implement diffrent maps as well? (I'm mostly talking about HL maps)

#34

Osiris

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XtheDuckIs there any chance you're going to implement diffrent maps as well? (I'm mostly talking about HL maps)GentlemanJonSideshow did all the map screen grabs and it was for i55 so it has a 6v6 focus. I'm happy to add Highlander maps but I'll need someone who knows what they're looking for and is willing to put some thought into it to grab the best images. Ideally someone used to leading map talks and who has played at a decent enough level to pick good angles. Any volunteers just add me or post here or whatever.

[quote=XtheDuck]Is there any chance you're going to implement diffrent maps as well? (I'm mostly talking about HL maps)[/quote]
[quote=GentlemanJon]Sideshow did all the map screen grabs and it was for i55 so it has a 6v6 focus. I'm happy to add Highlander maps but I'll need someone who knows what they're looking for and is willing to put some thought into it to grab the best images. Ideally someone used to leading map talks and who has played at a decent enough level to pick good angles. Any volunteers just add me or post here or whatever.[/quote]

#35

GentlemanJon

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XtheDuckIs there any chance you're going to implement diffrent maps as well? (I'm mostly talking about HL maps)

Looking for volunteers really. 1080p, graphics set to decent quality, useful angles based on insight. It doesn't have to be perfect but I really have no idea what HL map talks will need to be able to point out to their team.

[quote=XtheDuck]Is there any chance you're going to implement diffrent maps as well? (I'm mostly talking about HL maps)[/quote]
Looking for volunteers really. 1080p, graphics set to decent quality, useful angles based on insight. It doesn't have to be perfect but I really have no idea what HL map talks will need to be able to point out to their team.

#36

GentlemanJon

5 Frags – +

kaidustactic time with kaptain https://gyazo.com/2e2de696b56dbdc2a1c8d5be9fe0ff6c

cu@boneslan

Ready for matchmaking

[quote=kaidus]tactic time with kaptain https://gyazo.com/2e2de696b56dbdc2a1c8d5be9fe0ff6c

cu@boneslan[/quote]
Ready for matchmaking

#37

Cocoforcocopuffs

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GentlemanJonXtheDuckIs there any chance you're going to implement diffrent maps as well? (I'm mostly talking about HL maps)Looking for volunteers really. 1080p, graphics set to decent quality, useful angles based on insight. It doesn't have to be perfect but I really have no idea what HL map talks will need to be able to point out to their team.

I would be willing to try Upward or something, we can see if that works? Do you want me to do that?

[quote=GentlemanJon][quote=XtheDuck]Is there any chance you're going to implement diffrent maps as well? (I'm mostly talking about HL maps)[/quote]
Looking for volunteers really. 1080p, graphics set to decent quality, useful angles based on insight. It doesn't have to be perfect but I really have no idea what HL map talks will need to be able to point out to their team.[/quote]

I would be willing to try Upward or something, we can see if that works? Do you want me to do that?

#38

REM_TF2

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I'm happy to volunteer for taking screenshots, I run TF2 on high graphics and in 1080p but I'm not exactly super experienced in HL so maybe it'd be better if someone else did it? If not though I'll happily do it.

#39

ZordonFreeman

6 Frags – +

How many penises did you draw when you were testing the sharing aspect?

#40

Kaneco

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You can make use of map images on comp.tf. Most map pages have high quality 1080p images for the different points.

#41

GentlemanJon

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KanecoYou can make use of map images on comp.tf. Most map pages have high quality 1080p images for the different points.

I appreciate the offer but the coverage is a bit patchy, I think it'll need quite a lot more images per map to be able to provide all the options people might need (unless I'm missing something).

REM_TF2I'm happy to volunteer for taking screenshots, I run TF2 on high graphics and in 1080p but I'm not exactly super experienced in HL so maybe it'd be better if someone else did it? If not though I'll happily do it.

Cocoforcocopuffs is having a go at a payload map, so non-payload might be Lakeside or if you're feeling brave cp_steel. Steel might be one of the HL maps that would get some heavy strategy work on it so it and it's also pretty big so would need to be a good job.

ZordonFreemanHow many penises did you draw when you were testing the sharing aspect?

437

[quote=Kaneco]You can make use of map images on comp.tf. Most map pages have high quality 1080p images for the different points.[/quote]
I appreciate the offer but the coverage is a bit patchy, I think it'll need quite a lot more images per map to be able to provide all the options people might need (unless I'm missing something).

[quote=REM_TF2]I'm happy to volunteer for taking screenshots, I run TF2 on high graphics and in 1080p but I'm not exactly super experienced in HL so maybe it'd be better if someone else did it? If not though I'll happily do it.[/quote]
Cocoforcocopuffs is having a go at a payload map, so non-payload might be Lakeside or if you're feeling brave cp_steel. Steel might be one of the HL maps that would get some heavy strategy work on it so it and it's also pretty big so would need to be a good job.

[quote=ZordonFreeman]How many penises did you draw when you were testing the sharing aspect?[/quote]
437

#42

ZordonFreeman

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kaidustactic time with kaptain https://gyazo.com/2e2de696b56dbdc2a1c8d5be9fe0ff6c

cu@boneslan

1 medic 1 heavy new Meta

[quote=kaidus]tactic time with kaptain https://gyazo.com/2e2de696b56dbdc2a1c8d5be9fe0ff6c

cu@boneslan[/quote]

1 medic 1 heavy new Meta

#43

Kaneco

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GentlemanJonKanecoYou can make use of map images on comp.tf. Most map pages have high quality 1080p images for the different points.I appreciate the offer but the coverage is a bit patchy, I think it'll need quite a lot more images per map to be able to provide all the options people might need (unless I'm missing something).

hmm, most maps have every main view. Only the overhead view is missing from map pages, the rest we have pretty much every main points / choke, maybe the angles are not the best but I dont think it's that patchy, at least for all currently played maps. Nonetheless if you have someone helping out taking more screens we would appreciate them over at our wiki as well, can never have too much

[quote=GentlemanJon][quote=Kaneco]You can make use of map images on comp.tf. Most map pages have high quality 1080p images for the different points.[/quote]
I appreciate the offer but the coverage is a bit patchy, I think it'll need quite a lot more images per map to be able to provide all the options people might need (unless I'm missing something).
[/quote]

hmm, most maps have every main view. Only the overhead view is missing from map pages, the rest we have pretty much every main points / choke, maybe the angles are not the best but I dont think it's that patchy, at least for all currently played maps. Nonetheless if you have someone helping out taking more screens we would appreciate them over at our wiki as well, can never have too much

#44

REM_TF2

5 Frags – +

GentlemanJonCocoforcocopuffs is having a go at a payload map, so non-payload might be Lakeside or if you're feeling brave cp_steel. Steel might be one of the HL maps that would get some heavy strategy work on it so it and it's also pretty big so would need to be a good job.

The issue I can see with cp_steel is that it's got so many narrow corridors that are all really important that it's nearly impossible to get one screenshot of say, the E point which could show all the areas. Even a birdseye view of the E point wouldn't quite suffice because it doesn't show the C-E connector area down the stairs, the area outside of the RED spawn door (which is enclosed) or either of the sniper nests.

I think you would need maybe 2-3 screenshots for the more complex/enclosed points and maybe only 1-2 for easier points like B which would probably be doable with 1 screenshot thinking about it.

I'm not around for most of the day or evening today but I'll have a crack at it tomorrow if you like, hit me up on steam and we can talk some more :)

EDIT: I got bored - here's my attempt at cp_steel, no doubt some of these will be utterly useless/shite but hopefully you'll like some of them. The later ones in the list are better because these are listed in reverse chronological order and the later screenshots are niche pictures of little nooks and crannies like the RED spawn exit to B or the C-D connector, hope you like some of them!

[quote=GentlemanJon]Cocoforcocopuffs is having a go at a payload map, so non-payload might be Lakeside or if you're feeling brave cp_steel. Steel might be one of the HL maps that would get some heavy strategy work on it so it and it's also pretty big so would need to be a good job.[/quote]

The issue I can see with cp_steel is that it's got so many narrow corridors that are all really important that it's nearly impossible to get one screenshot of say, the E point which could show all the areas. Even a birdseye view of the E point wouldn't quite suffice because it doesn't show the C-E connector area down the stairs, the area outside of the RED spawn door (which is enclosed) or either of the sniper nests.

I think you would need maybe 2-3 screenshots for the more complex/enclosed points and maybe only 1-2 for easier points like B which would probably be doable with 1 screenshot thinking about it.

I'm not around for most of the day or evening today but I'll have a crack at it tomorrow if you like, hit me up on steam and we can talk some more :)

EDIT: I got bored - here's my attempt at cp_steel, no doubt some of these will be utterly useless/shite but hopefully you'll like some of them. The later ones in the list are better because these are listed in reverse chronological order and the later screenshots are niche pictures of little nooks and crannies like the RED spawn exit to B or the C-D connector, hope you like some of them!

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518198185
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518198152
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518198109
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518198040
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518198019
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518198003
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197984
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197965
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197951
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197928
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197904
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197883
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197873
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197848
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197833
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197821
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197807
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197790
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197770
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197753
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197737
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197717
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197707
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197691
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197669
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197651
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197632
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197608
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197591
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197566
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197543
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197531
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197514
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197504
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518197490

#45

goldfish

1 Frags – +

the circles are hard to place accurately and the rectangles are a little glitchy

#46

Victor

6 Frags – +

I found this the other day; not sure if it's something people will use, but I thought I would just get it out there.

I found [url=http://rezuaq.tumblr.com/cp_steel]this[/url] the other day; not sure if it's something people will use, but I thought I would just get it out there.

#47

REM_TF2

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VictorI found this the other day; not sure if it's something people will use, but I thought I would just get it out there.

That's a cool resource but it's slightly different to tactics.tf in as much as you can't place markers on it so if you wanted to show your team where to stand on an E defence then this wouldn't be much good to you

[quote=Victor]I found [url=http://rezuaq.tumblr.com/cp_steel]this[/url] the other day; not sure if it's something people will use, but I thought I would just get it out there.[/quote]

That's a cool resource but it's slightly different to tactics.tf in as much as you can't place markers on it so if you wanted to show your team where to stand on an E defence then this wouldn't be much good to you

#48

GentlemanJon

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goldfishthe circles are hard to place accurately and the rectangles are a little glitchy

I've looked at freehand tool, it'll take a little while to get in place though. There are some other updates coming first

[quote=goldfish]the circles are hard to place accurately and the rectangles are a little glitchy[/quote]
I've looked at freehand tool, it'll take a little while to get in place though. There are some other updates coming first

#49

REM_TF2

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Oh by the way, here's a really handy config you can execute really quickly if you wanna take decent screenshots:

//Screenshots//

sv_cheats 1
noclip
cl_drawhud 0
r_drawviewmodel 0
net_graph 0
fog_enable 0
r_portalsopenall 1
r_lod 0
mat_picmip -1
r_skybox 0
fog_override 1
mp_tournament 1
mp_tournament_restart

Oh by the way, here's a really handy config you can execute really quickly if you wanna take decent screenshots:

[code]//Screenshots//

sv_cheats 1
noclip
cl_drawhud 0
r_drawviewmodel 0
net_graph 0
fog_enable 0
r_portalsopenall 1
r_lod 0
mat_picmip -1
r_skybox 0
fog_override 1
mp_tournament 1
mp_tournament_restart[/code]

#50

cirlo

0 Frags – +

REM_TF2Oh by the way, here's a really handy config you can execute really quickly if you wanna take decent screenshots:

//Screenshots//

sv_cheats 1
noclip
cl_drawhud 0
r_drawviewmodel 0
net_graph 0
fog_enable 0
r_portalsopenall 1
r_lod 0
mat_picmip -1
r_skybox 0
fog_override 1
mp_tournament 1
mp_tournament_restart

can't you go under picmip -1 with cheats active?

[quote=REM_TF2]Oh by the way, here's a really handy config you can execute really quickly if you wanna take decent screenshots:

[code]//Screenshots//

sv_cheats 1
noclip
cl_drawhud 0
r_drawviewmodel 0
net_graph 0
fog_enable 0
r_portalsopenall 1
r_lod 0
mat_picmip -1
r_skybox 0
fog_override 1
mp_tournament 1
mp_tournament_restart[/code][/quote]
can't you go under picmip -1 with cheats active?

#51

GentlemanJon

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VictorI found this the other day; not sure if it's something people will use, but I thought I would just get it out there.

Steel's geometry is a massive pain in the ass on almost every point, some special measures might be required. Rem has done as good a job as is possible given the constraints of the map and the TF2 client itself, although there need to be some overheads mixed in as well on outside points for those who want them. Getting a decent E point image is impossible.

[quote=Victor]I found [url=http://rezuaq.tumblr.com/cp_steel]this[/url] the other day; not sure if it's something people will use, but I thought I would just get it out there.[/quote]
Steel's geometry is a massive pain in the ass on almost every point, some special measures might be required. Rem has done as good a job as is possible given the constraints of the map and the TF2 client itself, although there need to be some overheads mixed in as well on outside points for those who want them. Getting a decent E point image is impossible.

#52

REM_TF2

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cirloREM_TF2Oh by the way, here's a really handy config you can execute really quickly if you wanna take decent screenshots:

//Screenshots//

sv_cheats 1
noclip
cl_drawhud 0
r_drawviewmodel 0
net_graph 0
fog_enable 0
r_portalsopenall 1
r_lod 0
mat_picmip -1
r_skybox 0
fog_override 1
mp_tournament 1
mp_tournament_restart

can't you go under picmip -1 with cheats active?

~~Yes my mistake, I misread the source that I got it from. The minimum is -10 not -1. Apologies, I'll edit the original.~~

Woops nevermind looks like I was right the first time:

As of the June 10, 2010 Patch, mat_picmip is locked between -1 and 4, corresponding to the settings which have always been available in the game's menu under the "Texture detail" dropdown. This was done to address "significant performance and instability issues" for some users.

Edited the original back to -1

[quote=cirlo][quote=REM_TF2]Oh by the way, here's a really handy config you can execute really quickly if you wanna take decent screenshots:

[code]//Screenshots//

sv_cheats 1
noclip
cl_drawhud 0
r_drawviewmodel 0
net_graph 0
fog_enable 0
r_portalsopenall 1
r_lod 0
mat_picmip -1
r_skybox 0
fog_override 1
mp_tournament 1
mp_tournament_restart[/code][/quote]
can't you go under picmip -1 with cheats active?[/quote]

[s]Yes my mistake, I misread the source that I got it from. The minimum is -10 not -1. Apologies, I'll edit the original.[/s]

Woops nevermind looks like I was right the first time:

[quote][url=https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Ultra_high_settings]As of the June 10, 2010 Patch, mat_picmip is locked between -1 and 4, corresponding to the settings which have always been available in the game's menu under the "Texture detail" dropdown. This was done to address "significant performance and instability issues" for some users.[/url][/quote]

Edited the original back to -1

#53

REM_TF2

2 Frags – +

Here's lakeside:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518489060
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518489080
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518489096
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518489143
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518489157
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=518514615

#54

Pete

3 Frags – +

If people are making new screenshots I recommend using SFM. Making a SFM poster is easily the highest quality you can get for something like this and I did it a few times for people doing map-type things. Here's a quick tutorial I wrote during this super fucking boring Theater class: http://pastebin.com/tsTa8cf2

#55

luxor

2 Frags – +

Really nice job man. My team and I reviewed sunshine today and the visualization really helped. I'm actually very impressed. Hopefully sometime in the future, the admin of the current session can allow a teammate to plot the items.

#56

kirby

1 Frags – +

Is it possible to have this type of thing but with a spectator-esque view? Like how when you're spectating in any server and can move freely; something like that?

#57

Selc

1 Frags – +

the slithering snake strat?

#58

GentlemanJon

1 Frags – +

REM_TF2Here's lakeside

Nice, lucky invisible geometry on the pool room roof :)

LuxorrReally nice job man. My team and I reviewed sunshine today and the visualization really helped. I'm actually very impressed. Hopefully sometime in the future, the admin of the current session can allow a teammate to plot the items.

This is the next update I'm working on, a request button to ask the session controller to switch control to them. The session creator will always have the ability to take it back.

Knuckles_If people are making new screenshots I recommend using SFM.

Could also be handy getting some difficult Steel images

[quote=REM_TF2]Here's lakeside[/quote]
Nice, lucky invisible geometry on the pool room roof :)

[quote=Luxorr]Really nice job man. My team and I reviewed sunshine today and the visualization really helped. I'm actually very impressed. Hopefully sometime in the future, the admin of the current session can allow a teammate to plot the items.[/quote]
This is the next update I'm working on, a request button to ask the session controller to switch control to them. The session creator will always have the ability to take it back.

[quote=Knuckles_]If people are making new screenshots I recommend using SFM. [/quote]
Could also be handy getting some difficult Steel images

#59

vile

1 Frags – +

cool. i used to do this for my team with mspaint back in the day lol

#60

clorg

1 Frags – +

MY GAMING EDGE