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I had a job at 13 helping my step dad at his place of work for 20 pounds cash in hand, I then started working in a pub picking up glasses from the age of 15, working from that too wash up too finally working behind the bar once I turned 18.
So yeah getting a job at 17 shouldn't be difficult, in all my time doing these jobs I had plenty of time to put into gaming and studying.
I had a job at 13 helping my step dad at his place of work for 20 pounds cash in hand, I then started working in a pub picking up glasses from the age of 15, working from that too wash up too finally working behind the bar once I turned 18.
So yeah getting a job at 17 shouldn't be difficult, in all my time doing these jobs I had plenty of time to put into gaming and studying.
So yeah getting a job at 17 shouldn't be difficult, in all my time doing these jobs I had plenty of time to put into gaming and studying.
MattCVI had a job at 13 helping my step dad at his place of work for 20 pounds cash in hand, I then started working in a pub picking up glasses from the age of 15, working from that too wash up too finally working behind the bar once I turned 18.
So yeah getting a job at 17 shouldn't be difficult, in all my time doing these jobs I had plenty of time to put into gaming and studying.
nobody is asking you to give a single penny, why do you care so much?
If people have extra money and they are willing to donate it to shadowburn, let them! Its not hurting you or anybody else at all.
[quote=MattCV]I had a job at 13 helping my step dad at his place of work for 20 pounds cash in hand, I then started working in a pub picking up glasses from the age of 15, working from that too wash up too finally working behind the bar once I turned 18.
So yeah getting a job at 17 shouldn't be difficult, in all my time doing these jobs I had plenty of time to put into gaming and studying.[/quote]
nobody is asking you to give a single penny, why do you care so much?
If people have extra money and they are willing to donate it to shadowburn, let them! Its not hurting you or anybody else at all.
So yeah getting a job at 17 shouldn't be difficult, in all my time doing these jobs I had plenty of time to put into gaming and studying.[/quote]
nobody is asking you to give a single penny, why do you care so much?
If people have extra money and they are willing to donate it to shadowburn, let them! Its not hurting you or anybody else at all.
AvastAh it all comes together.
Only the people playing games that are popular deserve money to be good at it.
At least I can rest easy knowing you're not objecting because professional athletes of any sort don't actually contribute a tangible service, it's just because you don't like people getting paid to do things you don't personally consider "valuable".
If it was the first case you'd at least have some intellectual high ground.
Pretty sure you are being dense now, you have created a really nice straw man about my objection to this. It has nothing to do with what I consider valuable, I have been playing this game since release and it has changed my life in many many ways.
If shadowburn is steaming and does all of this and gets donations through that of course I don't have a problem, I am personally subbed to a tf2 only streamer so it hardly the case that in don't want to see tf2 people get paid.
I object to threads being created begging for money and taking advantage of the goodwill of the community.
[quote=Avast]Ah it all comes together.
Only the people playing games that are popular deserve money to be good at it.
At least I can rest easy knowing you're not objecting because professional athletes of any sort don't actually contribute a tangible service, it's just because you don't like people getting paid to do things you don't personally consider "valuable".
If it was the first case you'd at least have some intellectual high ground.[/quote]
Pretty sure you are being dense now, you have created a really nice straw man about my objection to this. It has nothing to do with what I consider valuable, I have been playing this game since release and it has changed my life in many many ways.
If shadowburn is steaming and does all of this and gets donations through that of course I don't have a problem, I am personally subbed to a tf2 only streamer so it hardly the case that in don't want to see tf2 people get paid.
I object to threads being created begging for money and taking advantage of the goodwill of the community.
Only the people playing games that are popular deserve money to be good at it.
At least I can rest easy knowing you're not objecting because professional athletes of any sort don't actually contribute a tangible service, it's just because you don't like people getting paid to do things you don't personally consider "valuable".
If it was the first case you'd at least have some intellectual high ground.[/quote]
Pretty sure you are being dense now, you have created a really nice straw man about my objection to this. It has nothing to do with what I consider valuable, I have been playing this game since release and it has changed my life in many many ways.
If shadowburn is steaming and does all of this and gets donations through that of course I don't have a problem, I am personally subbed to a tf2 only streamer so it hardly the case that in don't want to see tf2 people get paid.
I object to threads being created begging for money and taking advantage of the goodwill of the community.
I even created a thread explaining how I thought it was setting a bad precedent and that it could lead to more and more people attempting to do the same thing.
It has nothing to do with me disliking shadowburn or thinking that I am required too donate.
Genuinely amused by all the people getting so offended because I believe you should pay for things yourself and not get it handed too you on a plate.
I even created a thread explaining how I thought it was setting a bad precedent and that it could lead to more and more people attempting to do the same thing.
It has nothing to do with me disliking shadowburn or thinking that I am required too donate.
Genuinely amused by all the people getting so offended because I believe you should pay for things yourself and not get it handed too you on a plate.
It has nothing to do with me disliking shadowburn or thinking that I am required too donate.
Genuinely amused by all the people getting so offended because I believe you should pay for things yourself and not get it handed too you on a plate.
MattCVI'm jealous of shadowburn and I don't want him to get money for playing Team Fortress 2. He also called me bad at video games once.
[quote=MattCV]I'm jealous of shadowburn and I don't want him to get money for playing Team Fortress 2. He also called me bad at video games once. [/quote]
dude chill let people do what they want with their money if they wanna waste it who the fuck cares.
On a more serious note, can you do these moves live so we know you aren't scripting like nico. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG8QfC6K67E
dude chill let people do what they want with their money if they wanna waste it who the fuck cares.
On a more serious note, can you do these moves live so we know you aren't scripting like nico. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG8QfC6K67E
On a more serious note, can you do these moves live so we know you aren't scripting like nico. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG8QfC6K67E
MattCV
Genuinely amused by all the people getting so offended because I believe you should pay for things yourself and not get it handed too you on a plate.
you're missing the point here. There are people willing to give him money despite what this fundraiser might represent, and nobody is forcing you to do the same, so why should you care?
like, honestly, why?
i think you're just salty.
[quote=MattCV]
Genuinely amused by all the people getting so offended because I believe you should pay for things yourself and not get it handed too you on a plate.[/quote]
you're missing the point here. There are people willing to give him money despite what this fundraiser might represent, and nobody is forcing you to do the same, so why should you care?
like, honestly, why?
i think you're just salty.
Genuinely amused by all the people getting so offended because I believe you should pay for things yourself and not get it handed too you on a plate.[/quote]
you're missing the point here. There are people willing to give him money despite what this fundraiser might represent, and nobody is forcing you to do the same, so why should you care?
like, honestly, why?
i think you're just salty.
Jealous of shadow burn? Why an earth would i be jealous? I mean if I was jealous of someone's video game skills wouldn't at least pick someone who mains my class?
I would love for tf2 to be in the same level as cs go or lol or dota or hearthstone but it isn't.
Jealous of shadow burn? Why an earth would i be jealous? I mean if I was jealous of someone's video game skills wouldn't at least pick someone who mains my class?
I would love for tf2 to be in the same level as cs go or lol or dota or hearthstone but it isn't.
I would love for tf2 to be in the same level as cs go or lol or dota or hearthstone but it isn't.
MattCVYou are a full time content created and from the small bits I have seen you seem to be extremely good at it.
I am assuming you do these things because you have a passion for the game and it makes you happy.
I am sure you also put this talent towards paid work? Plenty of people out there require this work.
I don't ask for donation drives for the happiness i get out of tf2, you don't do things in tf2 because you expect a monetary reward for it.
The point of fundraisers is to help cover expenses and not to earn money. Most people in this community have spent far more money playing tf2 and helping out the scene in some ways or other. Some people want to keep doing this but their personal economic situation makes it impossible. This scene would have been duller without SDB so it's not entirely unfair to ask for some money back. If you disagree, you have the option to not donate.
[quote=MattCV]You are a full time content created and from the small bits I have seen you seem to be extremely good at it.
I am assuming you do these things because you have a passion for the game and it makes you happy.
I am sure you also put this talent towards paid work? Plenty of people out there require this work.
I don't ask for donation drives for the happiness i get out of tf2, you don't do things in tf2 because you expect a monetary reward for it.[/quote]
The point of fundraisers is to help cover expenses and not to earn money. Most people in this community have spent far more money playing tf2 and helping out the scene in some ways or other. Some people want to keep doing this but their personal economic situation makes it impossible. This scene would have been duller without SDB so it's not entirely unfair to ask for some money back. If you disagree, you have the option to not donate.
I am assuming you do these things because you have a passion for the game and it makes you happy.
I am sure you also put this talent towards paid work? Plenty of people out there require this work.
I don't ask for donation drives for the happiness i get out of tf2, you don't do things in tf2 because you expect a monetary reward for it.[/quote]
The point of fundraisers is to help cover expenses and not to earn money. Most people in this community have spent far more money playing tf2 and helping out the scene in some ways or other. Some people want to keep doing this but their personal economic situation makes it impossible. This scene would have been duller without SDB so it's not entirely unfair to ask for some money back. If you disagree, you have the option to not donate.
I "care" as such this isn't going to stop me sleeping at night I have repeatedly said that this sort of thing sets a bad precedent.
People will do what they want with their money and more power too them, and as much as you are allowed to be happy with it I am allowed too point out that I think it is wrong.
I "care" as such this isn't going to stop me sleeping at night I have repeatedly said that this sort of thing sets a bad precedent.
People will do what they want with their money and more power too them, and as much as you are allowed to be happy with it I am allowed too point out that I think it is wrong.
People will do what they want with their money and more power too them, and as much as you are allowed to be happy with it I am allowed too point out that I think it is wrong.
mate stop this scene is incestuous af like you mentioned and u arent gonna get any more friends because of this
mate stop this scene is incestuous af like you mentioned and u arent gonna get any more friends because of this
MattCVI even created a thread explaining how I thought it was setting a bad precedent and that it could lead to more and more people attempting to do the same thing.
It has nothing to do with me disliking shadowburn or thinking that I am required too donate.
Genuinely amused by all the people getting so offended because I believe you should pay for things yourself and not get it handed too you on a plate.
Because it's not on Shadowburn if he asks for donations and receives money that way, it's entirely on the people who are donating that money to him.
You're complaining because you think his current position doesn't warrant any donations, but that is your own opinion. The people who are actually donating their money to Shadowburn disagree with you.
If you really think these types of threads are the problem, don't target people like Shadowburn who make them, target the people who actually support them with their money.
[quote=MattCV]I even created a thread explaining how I thought it was setting a bad precedent and that it could lead to more and more people attempting to do the same thing.
It has nothing to do with me disliking shadowburn or thinking that I am required too donate.
Genuinely amused by all the people getting so offended because I believe you should pay for things yourself and not get it handed too you on a plate.[/quote]
Because it's not on Shadowburn if he asks for donations and receives money that way, it's entirely on the people who are donating that money to him.
You're complaining because you think his current position doesn't warrant any donations, but that is your own opinion. The people who are actually donating their money to Shadowburn disagree with you.
If you really think these types of threads are the problem, don't target people like Shadowburn who make them, target the people who actually support them with their money.
It has nothing to do with me disliking shadowburn or thinking that I am required too donate.
Genuinely amused by all the people getting so offended because I believe you should pay for things yourself and not get it handed too you on a plate.[/quote]
Because it's not on Shadowburn if he asks for donations and receives money that way, it's entirely on the people who are donating that money to him.
You're complaining because you think his current position doesn't warrant any donations, but that is your own opinion. The people who are actually donating their money to Shadowburn disagree with you.
If you really think these types of threads are the problem, don't target people like Shadowburn who make them, target the people who actually support them with their money.
MattCVYou are a full time content created and from the small bits I have seen you seem to be extremely good at it.
I am assuming you do these things because you have a passion for the game and it makes you happy.
I am sure you also put this talent towards paid work? Plenty of people out there require this work.
I don't ask for donation drives for the happiness i get out of tf2, you don't do things in tf2 because you expect a monetary reward for it.
You're not wrong when you say I love this game and I love doing content for it. You're also not wrong in that I have done paid work. You're not wrong when you say if you do things in TF2, you cannot expect a monetary reward for it.
The last part is what fucking scares me. The mentality you and so many others share scares me.
It scares me because it defies logic if we consider our efforts work. It defies giving back to people who have offered their time and talents when they could have woken up from the dream back into a reality that hasn't learned how to take online workers, let alone volunteers, seriously. It's a pill that our content creators - our gamers even - have to dry swallow without a glass of water. I have friends, also full-time content creators, who have done optional donation drives such as Kickstarters, IndieGogos, and Patreons - that have gotten shit in their face about being beggars, swindlers or needing real jobs, when these same people flinging shit are people who sit for hours at their chairs enjoying content we make.
Every person who has done camera or casting, every artist who has made animations or promotional marketing - every gamer who has invested hours upon hours of their lives into being at the top of this game (maybe not the best? well-known? that's shit I ain't even gonna touch). Every individual who has paid out of their own pockets or other people's pockets knowing that they absolutely cannot fuck this shit up because 75% of the time, the community paid for them to go put on this amazing show that more than 1000 pairs of eyes are watching.
I'm doing my best to open your eyes up to another point-of-view, even if you choose to stick by yours. I've watched the production crew (and arguably, some of these teams and these players) put near-literal blood, sweat and tears (RSI issues, broken bones, mental health, sick family, neglect for IRL) in for this non-paid, non-official eSport. I want them to be financially compensated for what they've given to the community, and I will be willing to offer them something if they need it and I have the means of giving it to them.
[quote=MattCV]You are a full time content created and from the small bits I have seen you seem to be extremely good at it.
I am assuming you do these things because you have a passion for the game and it makes you happy.
I am sure you also put this talent towards paid work? Plenty of people out there require this work.
I don't ask for donation drives for the happiness i get out of tf2, you don't do things in tf2 because you expect a monetary reward for it.[/quote]
You're not wrong when you say I love this game and I love doing content for it. You're also not wrong in that I have done paid work. You're not wrong when you say if you do things in TF2, you cannot expect a monetary reward for it.
The last part is what fucking [i]scares[/i] me. The mentality you and so many others share scares me.
It scares me because it defies logic if we consider our efforts work. It defies giving back to people who have offered their time and talents when they could have woken up from the dream back into a reality that hasn't learned how to take online workers, let alone volunteers, seriously. It's a pill that our content creators - our gamers even - have to dry swallow without a glass of water. I have friends, also full-time content creators, who have done [i]optional[/i] donation drives such as Kickstarters, IndieGogos, and Patreons - that have gotten shit in their face about being beggars, swindlers or needing real jobs, when these same people flinging shit are people who sit for hours at their chairs enjoying content we make.
Every person who has done camera or casting, every artist who has made animations or promotional marketing - every gamer who has invested hours upon hours of their lives into being at the top of this game (maybe not the best? well-known? that's shit I ain't even gonna touch). Every individual who has paid out of their own pockets or other people's pockets knowing that they absolutely [i]cannot[/i] fuck this shit up because 75% of the time, the community paid for them to go put on this amazing show that more than 1000 pairs of eyes are watching.
I'm doing my best to open your eyes up to another point-of-view, even if you choose to stick by yours. I've watched the production crew (and arguably, some of these teams and these players) put near-literal blood, sweat and tears (RSI issues, broken bones, mental health, sick family, neglect for IRL) in for this non-paid, non-official eSport. I [i]want[/i] them to be financially compensated for what they've given to the community, and [i]I[/i] will be willing to offer them something if they need it and I have the means of giving it to them.
I am assuming you do these things because you have a passion for the game and it makes you happy.
I am sure you also put this talent towards paid work? Plenty of people out there require this work.
I don't ask for donation drives for the happiness i get out of tf2, you don't do things in tf2 because you expect a monetary reward for it.[/quote]
You're not wrong when you say I love this game and I love doing content for it. You're also not wrong in that I have done paid work. You're not wrong when you say if you do things in TF2, you cannot expect a monetary reward for it.
The last part is what fucking [i]scares[/i] me. The mentality you and so many others share scares me.
It scares me because it defies logic if we consider our efforts work. It defies giving back to people who have offered their time and talents when they could have woken up from the dream back into a reality that hasn't learned how to take online workers, let alone volunteers, seriously. It's a pill that our content creators - our gamers even - have to dry swallow without a glass of water. I have friends, also full-time content creators, who have done [i]optional[/i] donation drives such as Kickstarters, IndieGogos, and Patreons - that have gotten shit in their face about being beggars, swindlers or needing real jobs, when these same people flinging shit are people who sit for hours at their chairs enjoying content we make.
Every person who has done camera or casting, every artist who has made animations or promotional marketing - every gamer who has invested hours upon hours of their lives into being at the top of this game (maybe not the best? well-known? that's shit I ain't even gonna touch). Every individual who has paid out of their own pockets or other people's pockets knowing that they absolutely [i]cannot[/i] fuck this shit up because 75% of the time, the community paid for them to go put on this amazing show that more than 1000 pairs of eyes are watching.
I'm doing my best to open your eyes up to another point-of-view, even if you choose to stick by yours. I've watched the production crew (and arguably, some of these teams and these players) put near-literal blood, sweat and tears (RSI issues, broken bones, mental health, sick family, neglect for IRL) in for this non-paid, non-official eSport. I [i]want[/i] them to be financially compensated for what they've given to the community, and [i]I[/i] will be willing to offer them something if they need it and I have the means of giving it to them.
I am not targeting anyone as such, I have always lived by the principle you earn the money you want to spend on the nice things in life, it's pretty interesting that this fact has caused so much ire.
Again I have repeatedly said if you want to donate go for it it's your money, but just as much as you are allowed to donate I am allowed to say I don't think it is right.
I am not targeting anyone as such, I have always lived by the principle you earn the money you want to spend on the nice things in life, it's pretty interesting that this fact has caused so much ire.
Again I have repeatedly said if you want to donate go for it it's your money, but just as much as you are allowed to donate I am allowed to say I don't think it is right.
Again I have repeatedly said if you want to donate go for it it's your money, but just as much as you are allowed to donate I am allowed to say I don't think it is right.
uberchain just roasted this kid with a nerd essay...
reaching new heights of ownage tbh
uberchain just roasted this kid with a nerd essay...
reaching new heights of ownage tbh
reaching new heights of ownage tbh
Genuinely think people think I am jealous of people getting paid money to play this game which couldn't be further than the truth, I wish valve backed tf2 and I wish that players were earning salaries for the hard work they put into the game and it would be super cool for that to be the case.
I personally have dedicated nearly 1800 hours into this game, I have been a runner up at an I series and was 7th place at i55, in some e sports 7th place is good enough to get some prize money so I def am not objecting to people getting paid for playing this game.
I have mentioned many times that there are donation drives that I have personally supported.
My whole point is that we have gone from getting teams to compete in the biggest tf2 competitions to buying a prem player a pc. I surely can't be the only one to think that is a bad thing.
Genuinely think people think I am jealous of people getting paid money to play this game which couldn't be further than the truth, I wish valve backed tf2 and I wish that players were earning salaries for the hard work they put into the game and it would be super cool for that to be the case.
I personally have dedicated nearly 1800 hours into this game, I have been a runner up at an I series and was 7th place at i55, in some e sports 7th place is good enough to get some prize money so I def am not objecting to people getting paid for playing this game.
I have mentioned many times that there are donation drives that I have personally supported.
My whole point is that we have gone from getting teams to compete in the biggest tf2 competitions to buying a prem player a pc. I surely can't be the only one to think that is a bad thing.
I personally have dedicated nearly 1800 hours into this game, I have been a runner up at an I series and was 7th place at i55, in some e sports 7th place is good enough to get some prize money so I def am not objecting to people getting paid for playing this game.
I have mentioned many times that there are donation drives that I have personally supported.
My whole point is that we have gone from getting teams to compete in the biggest tf2 competitions to buying a prem player a pc. I surely can't be the only one to think that is a bad thing.
MattCVGenuinely think people think I am jealous of people getting paid money to play this game which couldn't be further than the truth, I wish valve backed tf2 and I wish that players were earning salaries for the hard work they put into the game and it would be super cool for that to be the case.
I personally have dedicated nearly 1800 hours into this game, I have been a runner up at an I series and was 7th place at i55, in some e sports 7th place is good enough to get some prize money so I def am not objecting to people getting paid for playing this game.
I have mentioned many times that there are donation drives that I have personally supported.
My whole point is that we have gone from getting teams to compete in the biggest tf2 competitions to buying a prem player a pc. I surely can't be the only one to think that is a bad thing.
So you're willing to admit that if someone spent the time to get good at tf2, people like watching them play, and offer incentives to those that compensate them so they can continue to play they haven't earned it?
This is the million dollar question Matt answer honestly like the honest hardworking man you are.
[quote=MattCV]Genuinely think people think I am jealous of people getting paid money to play this game which couldn't be further than the truth, I wish valve backed tf2 and I wish that players were earning salaries for the hard work they put into the game and it would be super cool for that to be the case.
I personally have dedicated nearly 1800 hours into this game, I have been a runner up at an I series and was 7th place at i55, in some e sports 7th place is good enough to get some prize money so I def am not objecting to people getting paid for playing this game.
I have mentioned many times that there are donation drives that I have personally supported.
My whole point is that we have gone from getting teams to compete in the biggest tf2 competitions to buying a prem player a pc. I surely can't be the only one to think that is a bad thing.[/quote]
So you're willing to admit that if someone spent the time to get good at tf2, people like watching them play, and offer incentives to those that compensate them so they can continue to play they haven't earned it?
This is the million dollar question Matt answer honestly like the honest hardworking man you are.
I personally have dedicated nearly 1800 hours into this game, I have been a runner up at an I series and was 7th place at i55, in some e sports 7th place is good enough to get some prize money so I def am not objecting to people getting paid for playing this game.
I have mentioned many times that there are donation drives that I have personally supported.
My whole point is that we have gone from getting teams to compete in the biggest tf2 competitions to buying a prem player a pc. I surely can't be the only one to think that is a bad thing.[/quote]
So you're willing to admit that if someone spent the time to get good at tf2, people like watching them play, and offer incentives to those that compensate them so they can continue to play they haven't earned it?
This is the million dollar question Matt answer honestly like the honest hardworking man you are.
Earning it to me is doing something more proactive than creating a thread on a forum and asking for money in return for playing mge and pick ups.
Spend your hard earned cash anyway you want and that's fine.
As much as you are allowed to do that I am allowed to disagree with it.
Earning it to me is doing something more proactive than creating a thread on a forum and asking for money in return for playing mge and pick ups.
Spend your hard earned cash anyway you want and that's fine.
As much as you are allowed to do that I am allowed to disagree with it.
Spend your hard earned cash anyway you want and that's fine.
As much as you are allowed to do that I am allowed to disagree with it.
Glad we've reached the exact same conclusion we did last time.
Time to watch more Overwatch streams.
Glad we've reached the exact same conclusion we did last time.
Time to watch more Overwatch streams.
Time to watch more Overwatch streams.
MattCVEarning it to me is doing something more proactive than creating a thread on a forum and asking for money in return for playing mge and pick ups.
thats not why people are saying that he earned it
[quote=MattCV]Earning it to me is doing something more proactive than creating a thread on a forum and asking for money in return for playing mge and pick ups.[/quote]
thats not why people are saying that he earned it
thats not why people are saying that he earned it
Having a job
Studying
Competing at the highest levels of TF2
Pick two. It's absolutely impossible to find time to do all of these at once without burning you out. Especially in Russia, where $500 is worth a lot more because of low salaries. It's not like he is asking for us to pay for his vacation *cough* bash *cough*. He is asking us to cover the expenses of a new PC because you are physically unable to compete in the first place without one.
Having a job
Studying
Competing at the highest levels of TF2
Pick two. It's absolutely impossible to find time to do all of these at once without burning you out. Especially in Russia, where $500 is worth a lot more because of low salaries. It's not like he is asking for us to pay for his vacation *cough* bash *cough*. He is asking us to cover the expenses of a new PC because you are physically unable to compete in the first place without one.
Studying
Competing at the highest levels of TF2
Pick two. It's absolutely impossible to find time to do all of these at once without burning you out. Especially in Russia, where $500 is worth a lot more because of low salaries. It's not like he is asking for us to pay for his vacation *cough* bash *cough*. He is asking us to cover the expenses of a new PC because you are physically unable to compete in the first place without one.
Hi let's talk a little bit about international economics.
You are from the UK. In the UK there is a common misconception that those who are poor, are poor because they are lazy. This is not true. It's not true in the UK, America, and it's especially not true in a third world country such as Russia.
ShaDowBurn is probably in college right now, and if I have heard anything about being successful in college it's
A. Be a resident of the campus.
B. Don't work during the school year, stay focused on school.
Comparing yourself to him and saying you had a job at 13 it not only rude but irrelevant. Asking for money from the community is not disgusting, people want to see him in tournaments, on Twitch, and on YouTube. In fact donating a little money so he can get a cheap 500$ computer is the least we can do.
Hi let's talk a little bit about international economics.
You are from the UK. In the UK there is a common misconception that [i]those who are poor, are poor because they are lazy.[/i] This is not true. It's not true in the UK, America, and it's [b]especially not true in a third world country such as Russia.[/b]
ShaDowBurn is probably in college right now, and if I have heard anything about being successful in college it's
A. Be a resident of the campus.
B. [i][b]Don't work during the school year, stay focused on school.[/b][/i]
Comparing yourself to him and saying you had a job at 13 it not only rude but irrelevant. Asking for money from the community is not disgusting, people want to see him in tournaments, on Twitch, and on YouTube. In fact donating a little money so he can get a cheap 500$ computer is the least we can do.
You are from the UK. In the UK there is a common misconception that [i]those who are poor, are poor because they are lazy.[/i] This is not true. It's not true in the UK, America, and it's [b]especially not true in a third world country such as Russia.[/b]
ShaDowBurn is probably in college right now, and if I have heard anything about being successful in college it's
A. Be a resident of the campus.
B. [i][b]Don't work during the school year, stay focused on school.[/b][/i]
Comparing yourself to him and saying you had a job at 13 it not only rude but irrelevant. Asking for money from the community is not disgusting, people want to see him in tournaments, on Twitch, and on YouTube. In fact donating a little money so he can get a cheap 500$ computer is the least we can do.
holy shit I only commented to fuck with people and this turned to an amazing shitfest
holy shit I only commented to fuck with people and this turned to an amazing shitfest
Again people seem to think this is all about because I am mad about shadowburn getting help.
I have stated over and over my objection is that this is setting a bad precedent, first it was donation drives to get the two best American teams over to compete in the biggest international lans. Then it was for tftv staff to come and do there thing, then we had epsilon players asking to be paid to go to dream hack now we have a prem player asking us to help buy him a new PC.
It isn't crazy for me to point how things are changing in regards to what people are asking for in these threads.
As to the poor =/= lazy debate that is a huge thing to go into and I cba when I am typing in a phone. Whilst in certain situations you are correct there are very very very man lazy people who live in my country do fuck all and sponge off handouts.
I only brought up working at 13 to point out the stupid comment that "getting a job at 17 is hard" which is not true if you are willing to work.
Again people seem to think this is all about because I am mad about shadowburn getting help.
I have stated over and over my objection is that this is setting a bad precedent, first it was donation drives to get the two best American teams over to compete in the biggest international lans. Then it was for tftv staff to come and do there thing, then we had epsilon players asking to be paid to go to dream hack now we have a prem player asking us to help buy him a new PC.
It isn't crazy for me to point how things are changing in regards to what people are asking for in these threads.
As to the poor =/= lazy debate that is a huge thing to go into and I cba when I am typing in a phone. Whilst in certain situations you are correct there are very very very man lazy people who live in my country do fuck all and sponge off handouts.
I only brought up working at 13 to point out the stupid comment that "getting a job at 17 is hard" which is not true if you are willing to work.
I have stated over and over my objection is that this is setting a bad precedent, first it was donation drives to get the two best American teams over to compete in the biggest international lans. Then it was for tftv staff to come and do there thing, then we had epsilon players asking to be paid to go to dream hack now we have a prem player asking us to help buy him a new PC.
It isn't crazy for me to point how things are changing in regards to what people are asking for in these threads.
As to the poor =/= lazy debate that is a huge thing to go into and I cba when I am typing in a phone. Whilst in certain situations you are correct there are very very very man lazy people who live in my country do fuck all and sponge off handouts.
I only brought up working at 13 to point out the stupid comment that "getting a job at 17 is hard" which is not true if you are willing to work.
god dammit matt why are you always so salty.
I can say by experience that working while in college while also invested in a hobby like tf2 is pretty damn near impossible. Hell even 2 of the three is hard... I can't fault the guy for trying to get help to continue pursuing his hobby, specially when that provides entertainment to thousands of people, and even more when he's still underage.
Also that mentality of "get a job" is so fucked up, it's not like you can go to the job center and say "I'll have 1 job please". Portugal for example had over 40% youth unemployment a couple years ago and it's still real fuckin though to find a job these days.
god dammit matt why are you always so salty.
I can say by experience that working while in college while also invested in a hobby like tf2 is pretty damn near impossible. Hell even 2 of the three is hard... I can't fault the guy for trying to get help to continue pursuing his hobby, specially when that provides entertainment to thousands of people, and even more when he's still underage.
Also that mentality of "get a job" is so fucked up, it's not like you can go to the job center and say "I'll have 1 job please". Portugal for example had over 40% youth unemployment a couple years ago and it's still real fuckin though to find a job these days.
I can say by experience that working while in college while also invested in a hobby like tf2 is pretty damn near impossible. Hell even 2 of the three is hard... I can't fault the guy for trying to get help to continue pursuing his hobby, specially when that provides entertainment to thousands of people, and even more when he's still underage.
Also that mentality of "get a job" is so fucked up, it's not like you can go to the job center and say "I'll have 1 job please". Portugal for example had over 40% youth unemployment a couple years ago and it's still real fuckin though to find a job these days.
MattCVAgain people seem to think this is all about because I am mad about shadowburn getting help.
I have stated over and over my objection is that this is setting a bad precedent, first it was donation drives to get the two best American teams over to compete in the biggest international lans. Then it was for tftv staff to come and do there thing, then we had epsilon players along to be paid to go to dream hack now we have a prem player asking us to help buy him a new PC.
It isn't crazy for me to point how things are changing in regards to what people are asking for in these threads.
As to the poor =/= lazy debate that is a huge thing to go into and I cba when I am typing in a phone. Whilst in certain situations you are correct there are very very very man lazy people who live in my country do fuck all and sponge off handouts.
I only brought up working at 13 to point out the stupid comment that "getting a job at 17 is hard" which is not true if you are willing to work.
Don't see how any of these examples are outside the realms of what's reasonable. Yeah, it might shift the limits a little bit but why complain now if we hadn't had some proper dumb fundraisers yet.
[quote=MattCV]Again people seem to think this is all about because I am mad about shadowburn getting help.
I have stated over and over my objection is that this is setting a bad precedent, first it was donation drives to get the two best American teams over to compete in the biggest international lans. Then it was for tftv staff to come and do there thing, then we had epsilon players along to be paid to go to dream hack now we have a prem player asking us to help buy him a new PC.
It isn't crazy for me to point how things are changing in regards to what people are asking for in these threads.
As to the poor =/= lazy debate that is a huge thing to go into and I cba when I am typing in a phone. Whilst in certain situations you are correct there are very very very man lazy people who live in my country do fuck all and sponge off handouts.
I only brought up working at 13 to point out the stupid comment that "getting a job at 17 is hard" which is not true if you are willing to work.[/quote]
Don't see how any of these examples are outside the realms of what's reasonable. Yeah, it might shift the limits a little bit but why complain now if we hadn't had some proper dumb fundraisers yet.
I have stated over and over my objection is that this is setting a bad precedent, first it was donation drives to get the two best American teams over to compete in the biggest international lans. Then it was for tftv staff to come and do there thing, then we had epsilon players along to be paid to go to dream hack now we have a prem player asking us to help buy him a new PC.
It isn't crazy for me to point how things are changing in regards to what people are asking for in these threads.
As to the poor =/= lazy debate that is a huge thing to go into and I cba when I am typing in a phone. Whilst in certain situations you are correct there are very very very man lazy people who live in my country do fuck all and sponge off handouts.
I only brought up working at 13 to point out the stupid comment that "getting a job at 17 is hard" which is not true if you are willing to work.[/quote]
Don't see how any of these examples are outside the realms of what's reasonable. Yeah, it might shift the limits a little bit but why complain now if we hadn't had some proper dumb fundraisers yet.
Hey let's not bring up your use of dh in late night pick ups into this thread we are arguing on the internet.
I can say from experience that studying working a job and being dedicated to a hobby like tf2 is perfectly possible, admittedly I have never been on shadowburns level. However let's look at someone that is, I know for a fact that Mike has a job studies and dedicates time too tf2.
I don't find the "get a job mentality" fucked up at all but we are getting into location bias here, the situation in the uk is different to the situation in Portugal which again is different go Russia. Obviously my location bias comes into my views just as it does for everyone else.
Hey let's not bring up your use of dh in late night pick ups into this thread we are arguing on the internet.
I can say from experience that studying working a job and being dedicated to a hobby like tf2 is perfectly possible, admittedly I have never been on shadowburns level. However let's look at someone that is, I know for a fact that Mike has a job studies and dedicates time too tf2.
I don't find the "get a job mentality" fucked up at all but we are getting into location bias here, the situation in the uk is different to the situation in Portugal which again is different go Russia. Obviously my location bias comes into my views just as it does for everyone else.
I can say from experience that studying working a job and being dedicated to a hobby like tf2 is perfectly possible, admittedly I have never been on shadowburns level. However let's look at someone that is, I know for a fact that Mike has a job studies and dedicates time too tf2.
I don't find the "get a job mentality" fucked up at all but we are getting into location bias here, the situation in the uk is different to the situation in Portugal which again is different go Russia. Obviously my location bias comes into my views just as it does for everyone else.
why does it matter if its setting a bad precedent? more people can set up fundraisers for whatever they may want to but people are still able to think for themselves and decide whether the person deserves it and if they will help them.
you've literally been saying the same thing for about 20 posts now when you clearly can see that people will donate to what ever they see fit, what are you trying to accomplish by keeping on going?
why does it matter if its setting a bad precedent? more people can set up fundraisers for whatever they may want to but people are still able to think for themselves and decide whether the person deserves it and if they will help them.
you've literally been saying the same thing for about 20 posts now when you clearly can see that people will donate to what ever they see fit, what are you trying to accomplish by keeping on going?
you've literally been saying the same thing for about 20 posts now when you clearly can see that people will donate to what ever they see fit, what are you trying to accomplish by keeping on going?
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