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Saloon.tf V2.0
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#31
-1 Frags +
Zetsuhttps://legacy.saloon.tf/match/774/
https://legacy.saloon.tf/match/775/

waitin for payout option

As you can see on the page the scores are added and matches are verified, if you can't get a payout then you can contact support.

[quote=Zetsu]https://legacy.saloon.tf/match/774/
https://legacy.saloon.tf/match/775/

waitin for payout option[/quote]
As you can see on the page the scores are added and matches are verified, if you can't get a payout then you can contact support.
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#32
marketplace.tf
2 Frags +

We've added the ability to raise your bet.

We've added the ability to raise your bet.
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#33
9 Frags +

New site seems great and all but it's incredibly annoying that you don't know which items are accepted/ aren't.
Couldn't you just put up a sheet that says which items are not eligible to be bet? I've gotta admit that the old saloon site was far more convenient in that respect.

New site seems great and all but it's incredibly annoying that you don't know which items are accepted/ aren't.
Couldn't you just put up a sheet that says which items are not eligible to be bet? I've gotta admit that the old saloon site was far more convenient in that respect.
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#34
3 Frags +
VaskieIt looks fantastic, and it seems a whole lot faster. Genuinely appreciate all the effort put into it. Hopefully there won't be any more issues that could put people off Saloon.

I do have a request though. Looking into the Epsilon vs Animate match, it says Animate have a 4.5 point handicap, but i feel as if that can be extremely confusing, it would be easier as it was on the old version of the website, where it did show how many point handicap there was, but also all it takes for Animate or Epsilon to win. As an example, it could say, Animate are given 4.5 points and win this game if they lose by 2 or better, or anything along the lines of that.

As it currently is, i don't actually understand what that handicap means, but it might just be me, and if that's the case, don't mind me, but i do feel as if it would make everything a lot easier to understand. Going by how the old Saloon presented it, it made more sense, and it was slightly easier to understand.

Geel can you take a look into my suggestion ?

[quote=Vaskie]It looks fantastic, and it seems a whole lot faster. Genuinely appreciate all the effort put into it. Hopefully there won't be any more issues that could put people off Saloon.

I do have a request though. Looking into the Epsilon vs Animate match, it says Animate have a 4.5 point handicap, but i feel as if that can be extremely confusing, it would be easier as it was on the old version of the website, where it did show how many point handicap there was, but also all it takes for Animate or Epsilon to win. As an example, it could say, Animate are given 4.5 points and win this game if they lose by 2 or better, or anything along the lines of that.

As it currently is, i don't actually understand what that handicap means, but it might just be me, and if that's the case, don't mind me, but i do feel as if it would make everything a lot easier to understand. Going by how the old Saloon presented it, it made more sense, and it was slightly easier to understand.[/quote]

Geel can you take a look into my suggestion ?
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#35
1 Frags +
kKaltUuZetsuhttps://legacy.saloon.tf/match/774/
https://legacy.saloon.tf/match/775/

waitin for payout option
As you can see on the page the scores are added and matches are verified, if you can't get a payout then you can contact support.

Already did and still no payout, you literally scammed people off their items.

[quote=kKaltUu][quote=Zetsu]https://legacy.saloon.tf/match/774/
https://legacy.saloon.tf/match/775/

waitin for payout option[/quote]
As you can see on the page the scores are added and matches are verified, if you can't get a payout then you can contact support.[/quote]

Already did and still no payout, you literally scammed people off their items.
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#36
-6 Frags +
zCookiekKaltUuZetsuhttps://legacy.saloon.tf/match/774/
https://legacy.saloon.tf/match/775/

waitin for payout option
As you can see on the page the scores are added and matches are verified, if you can't get a payout then you can contact support.

Already did and still no payout, you literally scammed people off their items.

contact support

[quote=zCookie][quote=kKaltUu][quote=Zetsu]https://legacy.saloon.tf/match/774/
https://legacy.saloon.tf/match/775/

waitin for payout option[/quote]
As you can see on the page the scores are added and matches are verified, if you can't get a payout then you can contact support.[/quote]

Already did and still no payout, you literally scammed people off their items.[/quote]
[u][b]contact support[/b][/u]
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#37
7 Frags +
Pete_zCookiekKaltUuZetsuhttps://legacy.saloon.tf/match/774/
https://legacy.saloon.tf/match/775/

waitin for payout option
As you can see on the page the scores are added and matches are verified, if you can't get a payout then you can contact support.

Already did and still no payout, you literally scammed people off their items.
contact support

Already did 3 days ago and apparently my "account" was expired, then I made a new e-mail and never got a response since then.
I even tried adding Kaltu and he didnt accept my friend request.

[quote=Pete_][quote=zCookie][quote=kKaltUu][quote=Zetsu]https://legacy.saloon.tf/match/774/
https://legacy.saloon.tf/match/775/

waitin for payout option[/quote]
As you can see on the page the scores are added and matches are verified, if you can't get a payout then you can contact support.[/quote]

Already did and still no payout, you literally scammed people off their items.[/quote]
[u][b]contact support[/b][/u][/quote]

Already did 3 days ago and apparently my "account" was expired, then I made a new e-mail and never got a response since then.
I even tried adding Kaltu and he didnt accept my friend request.
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#38
-11 Frags +
zCookiePete_zCookiekKaltUuZetsuhttps://legacy.saloon.tf/match/774/
https://legacy.saloon.tf/match/775/

waitin for payout option
As you can see on the page the scores are added and matches are verified, if you can't get a payout then you can contact support.

Already did and still no payout, you literally scammed people off their items.
contact support

Already did 3 days ago and apparently my "account" was expired, then I made a new e-mail and never got a response since then.
I even tried adding Kaltu and he didnt accept my friend request.

You shouldn't add any admins because of Saloon related issues. Work is work, life is life, they want to play games without being constantly bugged.

[quote=zCookie][quote=Pete_][quote=zCookie][quote=kKaltUu][quote=Zetsu]https://legacy.saloon.tf/match/774/
https://legacy.saloon.tf/match/775/

waitin for payout option[/quote]
As you can see on the page the scores are added and matches are verified, if you can't get a payout then you can contact support.[/quote]

Already did and still no payout, you literally scammed people off their items.[/quote]
[u][b]contact support[/b][/u][/quote]

Already did 3 days ago and apparently my "account" was expired, then I made a new e-mail and never got a response since then.
I even tried adding Kaltu and he didnt accept my friend request.[/quote]
You shouldn't add any admins because of Saloon related issues. Work is work, life is life, they want to play games without being constantly bugged.
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#39
9 Frags +
zCookiePete_zCookiekKaltUuZetsuhttps://legacy.saloon.tf/match/774/
https://legacy.saloon.tf/match/775/

waitin for payout option
As you can see on the page the scores are added and matches are verified, if you can't get a payout then you can contact support.

Already did and still no payout, you literally scammed people off their items.
contact support

Already did 3 days ago and apparently my "account" was expired, then I made a new e-mail and never got a response since then.
I even tried adding Kaltu and he didnt accept my friend request.

http://i.imgur.com/lgh9bhM.png

[quote=zCookie][quote=Pete_][quote=zCookie][quote=kKaltUu][quote=Zetsu]https://legacy.saloon.tf/match/774/
https://legacy.saloon.tf/match/775/

waitin for payout option[/quote]
As you can see on the page the scores are added and matches are verified, if you can't get a payout then you can contact support.[/quote]

Already did and still no payout, you literally scammed people off their items.[/quote]
[u][b]contact support[/b][/u][/quote]

Already did 3 days ago and apparently my "account" was expired, then I made a new e-mail and never got a response since then.
I even tried adding Kaltu and he didnt accept my friend request.[/quote]


[img]http://i.imgur.com/lgh9bhM.png[/img]
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#40
2 Frags +

I just want to keep people updated about the distribution issues: http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/505251/saloon-tf

I just want to keep people updated about the distribution issues: http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/505251/saloon-tf
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#41
6 Frags +

still no payout from woodpig vs meat market for some, it's been 3 weeks......

still no payout from woodpig vs meat market for some, it's been 3 weeks......
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#42
marketplace.tf
-2 Frags +

The reason it's so difficult to fix these payout issues is because the old saloon was coded by someone other than ourselves, in a language we're not familiar with, and using a strategy for handling the confirmation and transfer of items that we don't endorse. We're working on it but our focus has been to get the new version out the door so that a) the issues stop occurring and b) we can easily fix any issues that might arise.

The reason it's so difficult to fix these payout issues is because the old saloon was coded by someone other than ourselves, in a language we're not familiar with, and using a strategy for handling the confirmation and transfer of items that we don't endorse. We're working on it but our focus has been to get the new version out the door so that a) the issues stop occurring and b) we can easily fix any issues that might arise.
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#43
1 Frags +

Geel9, i have sent you a pm here on teamfortress.tv. Hopefully you can take a look into it.

Geel9, i have sent you a pm here on teamfortress.tv. Hopefully you can take a look into it.
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#44
2 Frags +

any plans of allowing unusuals to be bet? not that i wanna bet unusuals, i just wanna win them

any plans of allowing unusuals to be bet? not that i wanna bet unusuals, i just wanna win them
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#45
marketplace.tf
6 Frags +
Hallowany plans of allowing unusuals to be bet? not that i wanna bet unusuals, i just wanna win them

Unusuals already can be bet.

Also no more ridiculously overpriced strange cabers.

[quote=Hallow]any plans of allowing unusuals to be bet? not that i wanna bet unusuals, i just wanna win them[/quote]

Unusuals already can be bet.

Also no more ridiculously overpriced strange cabers.
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#46
1 Frags +
Geel9Hallowany plans of allowing unusuals to be bet? not that i wanna bet unusuals, i just wanna win themAlso no more ridiculously overpriced strange cabers.

damn u just lost me some 50 refined

[quote=Geel9][quote=Hallow]any plans of allowing unusuals to be bet? not that i wanna bet unusuals, i just wanna win them[/quote]
Also no more ridiculously overpriced strange cabers.[/quote]
damn u just lost me some 50 refined
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#47
3 Frags +

and guys bet unusuals on lego for tomorrow tyvm!

and guys bet unusuals on lego for tomorrow tyvm!
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#48
4 Frags +
VaskieIt looks fantastic, and it seems a whole lot faster. Genuinely appreciate all the effort put into it. Hopefully there won't be any more issues that could put people off Saloon.

I do have a request though. Looking into the Epsilon vs Animate match, it says Animate have a 4.5 point handicap, but i feel as if that can be extremely confusing, it would be easier as it was on the old version of the website, where it did show how many point handicap there was, but also all it takes for Animate or Epsilon to win. As an example, it could say, Animate are given 4.5 points and win this game if they lose by 2 or better, or anything along the lines of that.

As it currently is, i don't actually understand what that handicap means, but it might just be me, and if that's the case, don't mind me, but i do feel as if it would make everything a lot easier to understand. Going by how the old Saloon presented it, it made more sense, and it was slightly easier to understand.

+1 an explanation on handicaps will be useful for new users

[quote=Vaskie]It looks fantastic, and it seems a whole lot faster. Genuinely appreciate all the effort put into it. Hopefully there won't be any more issues that could put people off Saloon.

I do have a request though. Looking into the Epsilon vs Animate match, it says Animate have a 4.5 point handicap, but i feel as if that can be extremely confusing, it would be easier as it was on the old version of the website, where it did show how many point handicap there was, but also all it takes for Animate or Epsilon to win. As an example, it could say, Animate are given 4.5 points and win this game if they lose by 2 or better, or anything along the lines of that.

As it currently is, i don't actually understand what that handicap means, but it might just be me, and if that's the case, don't mind me, but i do feel as if it would make everything a lot easier to understand. Going by how the old Saloon presented it, it made more sense, and it was slightly easier to understand.[/quote]

+1 an explanation on handicaps will be useful for new users
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#49
-10 Frags +

Hmm, is it really difficult to understand how points are being split in officials? I could imagine it for stopwatch but for 5cp/koth?

Hmm, is it really difficult to understand how points are being split in officials? I could imagine it for stopwatch but for 5cp/koth?
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#50
9 Frags +

its because NA and EU split points differently

There is a difference between having a 3.5 handicap in NA than having a 3.5 handicap in EU
Thats why an explanation would be nice like the old saloon had (I really liked the old description of the handicaps from saloon)

its because NA and EU split points differently

There is a difference between having a 3.5 handicap in NA than having a 3.5 handicap in EU
Thats why an explanation would be nice like the old saloon had (I really liked the old description of the handicaps from saloon)
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#51
2 Frags +

How about ETF2L comes out of the stone age and stops using a points system :O

Scrap the golden cap, award full points to the team who wins it and rank based on W/L. It would make more sense to viewers, players and betters.

How about ETF2L comes out of the stone age and stops using a points system :O

Scrap the golden cap, award full points to the team who wins it and rank based on W/L. It would make more sense to viewers, players and betters.
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#52
4 Frags +
kKaltUuHmm, is it really difficult to understand how points are being split in officials? I could imagine it for stopwatch but for 5cp/koth?

In the case of Unpoppable vs Highpander does 2 point handicap mean that if Unpoppable get one round, the points will be 4-4 and the bet a tie on saloon?
Also the website needs to be accessible, if I'm just a random guy interested in betting I don't want to spend 2 hours researching about leagues' rules.
edit: it indeed means a tie on saloon

[quote=kKaltUu]Hmm, is it really difficult to understand how points are being split in officials? I could imagine it for stopwatch but for 5cp/koth?[/quote]
In the case of Unpoppable vs Highpander does 2 point handicap mean that if Unpoppable get one round, the points will be 4-4 and the bet a tie on saloon?
Also the website needs to be accessible, if I'm just a random guy interested in betting I don't want to spend 2 hours researching about leagues' rules.
edit: it indeed means a tie on saloon
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#53
5 Frags +

Geel9 already replied to my private message regarding the suggestion i gave and he agreed, so i am guessing that it's going to be worked on soon hopefully.

It can actually be pretty confusing, it should be as easy as a straight message telling you what needs to happen for X or Y team to win. Possible examples:

Danger Dogs are given 4.5 points and win this game if they take at least one GC loss.
LEGO are given 0.5 points and win this game if they take at least one map in regular time.
Animate are given 0.5 points and win this game if they take at least one map in regular time.

The entire "point" system is confusing to me, and as far as i am aware, to a certain extent to other people to.

Geel9 already replied to my private message regarding the suggestion i gave and he agreed, so i am guessing that it's going to be worked on soon hopefully.

It can actually be pretty confusing, it should be as easy as a straight message telling you what needs to happen for X or Y team to win. Possible examples:

Danger Dogs are given 4.5 points and win this game if they take at least one GC loss.
LEGO are given 0.5 points and win this game if they take at least one map in regular time.
Animate are given 0.5 points and win this game if they take at least one map in regular time.

The entire "point" system is confusing to me, and as far as i am aware, to a certain extent to other people to.
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#54
1 Frags +
VaskieGeel9 already replied to my private message regarding the suggestion i gave and he agreed, so i am guessing that it's going to be worked on soon hopefully.

It can actually be pretty confusing, it should be as easy as a straight message telling you what needs to happen for X or Y team to win. Possible examples:

Danger Dogs are given 4.5 points and win this game if they take at least one GC loss.
LEGO are given 0.5 points and win this game if they take at least one map in regular time.
Animate are given 0.5 points and win this game if they take at least one map in regular time.

The entire "point" system is confusing to me, and as far as i am aware, to a certain extent to other people to.

Nice idea!

[quote=Vaskie]Geel9 already replied to my private message regarding the suggestion i gave and he agreed, so i am guessing that it's going to be worked on soon hopefully.

It can actually be pretty confusing, it should be as easy as a straight message telling you what needs to happen for X or Y team to win. Possible examples:

Danger Dogs are given 4.5 points and win this game if they take at least one GC loss.
LEGO are given 0.5 points and win this game if they take at least one map in regular time.
Animate are given 0.5 points and win this game if they take at least one map in regular time.

The entire "point" system is confusing to me, and as far as i am aware, to a certain extent to other people to.[/quote]
Nice idea!
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#55
2 Frags +

The "Official Match Page" links to teamfortresstv pages and not the ETF2L match pages for Euro 6v6 games at least.

The "Official Match Page" links to teamfortresstv pages and not the ETF2L match pages for Euro 6v6 games at least.
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#56
5 Frags +

Would be sweet to have a preview of what we stand to win before actually betting

Would be sweet to have a preview of what we stand to win [u]before [/u]actually betting
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#57
1 Frags +

(Im new to this whole betting thing)

I've been betting on the right teams but I never win anything. My bets are around 5 refish every time and when my team that I bet on wins, it always says "Theres nothing here...".

I lost once and now my total winnings are -0.9 keys.

(Im new to this whole betting thing)

I've been betting on the right teams but I never win anything. My bets are around 5 refish every time and when my team that I bet on wins, it always says "Theres nothing here...".

I lost once and now my total winnings are -0.9 keys.
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#58
0 Frags +
SleshWould be sweet to have a preview of what we stand to win before actually betting

It's not that difficult to calculate for the time being, just multiply your bet with the multiplier of the team: for example if you bet an item worth 0.25 keys and the team you're betting on has a multiplier of 2.9 you get the estimated winning from 0.25 × 2.9 = 0.725

[quote=Slesh]Would be sweet to have a preview of what we stand to win [u]before [/u]actually betting[/quote]
It's not that difficult to calculate for the time being, just multiply your bet with the multiplier of the team: for example if you bet an item worth 0.25 keys and the team you're betting on has a multiplier of 2.9 you get the estimated winning from 0.25 × 2.9 = 0.725
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#59
0 Frags +
Astrin_(Im new to this whole betting thing)

I've been betting on the right teams but I never win anything. My bets are around 5 refish every time and when my team that I bet on wins, it always says "Theres nothing here...".

I lost once and now my total winnings are -0.9 keys.

Were those underdogs? If there aren't any items left after paying off the bigger bets you're out of luck. Which happens when the already favorites win.

On another note, I added ETF2L Highlander Season 9 Premiership Week 3 matches -
A game that should be really close if Stacked can bring their main lineup:
Fair Enough vs Stacked

stacked recently beat Fair Enough in the ETF2L and in another RETF2 cup

BUT in season 6, season 7 and in season 8 Fe managed to beat stacked by a comfortable margin. Will this be the case tonight as well?

All other matches have big spreads:
Wednesday we'll have Tourettes Chessclub vs Unpoppable. UPP will win on saloon if they take one round.

Thursday it's going to be Highpander vs The Experiment. Spread means The Experiment will win on saloon if they win one round.

Last but not least is between the other russians vs PAPA CARLOS, aka Strong Opinions vs WASP. Also 3 points to the underWASPs.

[quote=Astrin_](Im new to this whole betting thing)

I've been betting on the right teams but I never win anything. My bets are around 5 refish every time and when my team that I bet on wins, it always says "Theres nothing here...".

I lost once and now my total winnings are -0.9 keys.[/quote]
Were those underdogs? If there aren't any items left after paying off the bigger bets you're out of luck. Which happens when the already favorites win.

On another note, I added ETF2L Highlander Season 9 Premiership Week 3 matches -
A game that should be really close if Stacked can bring their main lineup:
[url=http://saloon.tf/match/14 ]Fair Enough vs Stacked[/url]

stacked recently beat Fair Enough in the [url=http://etf2l.org/matches/62212/]ETF2L[/url] and in another [url=http://retrospective2.challonge.com/highlander]RETF2 [/url]cup

BUT in [url=http://etf2l.org/matches/47589/]season 6[/url], [url=http://etf2l.org/matches/55077/]season 7[/url] and in [url=http://etf2l.org/matches/57547/]season 8[/url] Fe managed to beat stacked by a comfortable margin. Will this be the case tonight as well?

All other matches have big spreads:
Wednesday we'll have [url=http://saloon.tf/match/17]Tourettes Chessclub vs Unpoppable[/url]. UPP will win on saloon if they take one round.

Thursday it's going to be [url=http://saloon.tf/match/15]Highpander vs The Experiment[/url]. Spread means The Experiment will win on saloon if they win one round.

Last but not least is between the other russians vs PAPA CARLOS, aka [url=http://saloon.tf/match/16]Strong Opinions vs WASP[/url]. Also 3 points to the underWASPs.
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#60
2 Frags +

Not sure if it was suggested before or if you have resources to implement this, but I strongly suggest that there should be an option to choose in which form bet amounts are shown. With the selection of options, e.g : refs, currency, keys. The reasons behind this are purely psychologial, our mind tends to notice and recognize bigger numbers easily. So 0.9 keys could be worth more than 4 refs but our mind just likes to think that 4 > 0.9, therefore it is a bit disturbing and confusing for people who never operate with keys. Thanks in advance.

Not sure if it was suggested before or if you have resources to implement this, but I strongly suggest that there should be an option to choose in which form bet amounts are shown. With the selection of options, e.g : refs, currency, keys. The reasons behind this are purely psychologial, our mind tends to notice and recognize bigger numbers easily. So 0.9 keys could be worth more than 4 refs but our mind just likes to think that 4 > 0.9, therefore it is a bit disturbing and confusing for people who never operate with keys. Thanks in advance.
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