mustardoverlordSheepylolThe truth is a lot of people from these countries aren't as civilized as we are and this is why we are seeing so many people from these countries raping our children, in the UK at least. People need to understand that the lifestyle in some of these middle eastern places are a lot different from what its like over here.
What the fuck are you talking about you racist freak
Thanks for the great insight you bring up. I'm really happy that we can have mature conversations where we can share our opinions like adults. I think you bring up a very valid point mustard and I respect your opinion. However I must go back to one of my previous posts on this - Muslims were getting away with raping children in the UK because the police were scared of being called racist by closed-minded ignorant man-children like you who decide to argue based on emotion instead of listening to the facts.
Also the FACT is that some middle eastern muslim countries aren't as civilized as western non-muslim countries.
[quote=mustardoverlord]
[quote=Sheepylol]The truth is a lot of people from these countries aren't as civilized as we are and this is why we are seeing so many people from these countries raping our children, in the UK at least. People need to understand that the lifestyle in some of these middle eastern places are a lot different from what its like over here.[/quote]
What the fuck are you talking about you racist freak[/quote]
Thanks for the great insight you bring up. I'm really happy that we can have mature conversations where we can share our opinions like adults. I think you bring up a very valid point mustard and I respect your opinion. However I must go back to one of my previous posts on this - Muslims were getting away with raping children in the UK because the police were scared of being called racist by closed-minded ignorant man-children like you who decide to argue based on emotion instead of listening to the facts.
Also the FACT is that some middle eastern muslim countries aren't as civilized as western non-muslim countries.
mustardoverlordSpaceCadetsaamAnd a huge amount of mass shootings are by white people...Do you run and put on a bullet proof vest every time you see a white person?
Is it enjoyable to talk about 2 completely unrelated situations and try and make them seem the same?
Most mass shootings have been mental health issues gone bad. A terrorist attack is a group of people intent on harming another group of people. Both can be stopped and prevented but they both required a different approach to solve. That is why they are different and separate issues.
1) I'm just gonna springboard off of this point to talk about a mostly unrelated but important topic, which is the exaggeration of the link between mental illness and violence- http://depts.washington.edu/mhreport/facts_violence.php
That is not to say that mass shootings are not often perpetrated by mentally ill people, I was just reminded of something that I thought people in this thread ought to know about.
2) saam's point does not require the two situations/motivations for them to be the same, it's about the level of overreaction and racial profiling that the rest of us commit after these events occur. Unless you have statistics to show that a larger percentage or even a larger total number of Muslims living in the U.S. are involved in terrorism than the percentage/amount of white people in the U.S. who commit gun violence, then acting that way afterwards is the same in both situations.
With 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world, if even 1% of them are extremists then we need to worry about 16 million of these idiots causing us harm. Lots of estimates are well above 1% so don't act like it was just 8 guys in Paris out for a stroll with guns and bombs completely not representative of a HUGE amount of people who agree with killing us.
You keep worrying about "statistics" and and whatever college professors paper you happen to read and agree with on a Friday night. While you and the medic do that, the next terror plot is being sketched out in some random house right now by a group of people who should not be in either country to begin with.
[quote=mustardoverlord][quote=SpaceCadet][quote=saam]
And a huge amount of mass shootings are by white people...Do you run and put on a bullet proof vest every time you see a white person?[/quote]
Is it enjoyable to talk about 2 completely unrelated situations and try and make them seem the same?
Most mass shootings have been mental health issues gone bad. A terrorist attack is a group of people intent on harming another group of people. Both can be stopped and prevented but they both required a different approach to solve. That is why they are different and separate issues.[/quote]
1) I'm just gonna springboard off of this point to talk about a mostly unrelated but important topic, which is the exaggeration of the link between mental illness and violence- http://depts.washington.edu/mhreport/facts_violence.php
That is not to say that mass shootings are not often perpetrated by mentally ill people, I was just reminded of something that I thought people in this thread ought to know about.
2) saam's point does not require the two situations/motivations for them to be the same, it's about the level of overreaction and racial profiling that the rest of us commit after these events occur. Unless you have statistics to show that a larger percentage or even a larger total number of Muslims living in the U.S. are involved in terrorism than the percentage/amount of white people in the U.S. who commit gun violence, then acting that way afterwards is the same in both situations.[/quote]
With 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world, if even 1% of them are extremists then we need to worry about 16 million of these idiots causing us harm. Lots of estimates are well above 1% so don't act like it was just 8 guys in Paris out for a stroll with guns and bombs completely not representative of a HUGE amount of people who agree with killing us.
You keep worrying about "statistics" and and whatever college professors paper you happen to read and agree with on a Friday night. While you and the medic do that, the next terror plot is being sketched out in some random house right now by a group of people who should not be in either country to begin with.
SpaceCadetA time will come, probably after many more attacks, when the countries of the west realize you can't be civilized with cultures/religions that have not evolved to that level. At one time ,Christianity was just as violent as Islam and perhaps even more brutal but we evolved in the west and so did our belief system. The same has simply not happened in the middle east and both cultures will continue to clash.
It wasn't too long ago that popular wisdom held Catholic nations were too uncivilized to handle democracy because Catholicism is rooted in obedience to authority. At that time (30ish years ago), the vast majority of Catholic nations (mainly East Europe, Italy, Latin America) were controlled by dictatorships of various forms, which lent credence to this sort of mentality. Post Cold War, it's quite obvious that trying to link the many disparate reasons for a lack of democratic rule in all those different regions to religion was fucking retarded but apparently we still haven't learned that international relations are complex and multifaceted.
[quote=SpaceCadet]
A time will come, probably after many more attacks, when the countries of the west realize you can't be civilized with cultures/religions that have not evolved to that level. At one time ,Christianity was just as violent as Islam and perhaps even more brutal but we evolved in the west and so did our belief system. The same has simply not happened in the middle east and both cultures will continue to clash.[/quote]
It wasn't too long ago that popular wisdom held Catholic nations were too uncivilized to handle democracy because Catholicism is rooted in obedience to authority. At that time (30ish years ago), the vast majority of Catholic nations (mainly East Europe, Italy, Latin America) were controlled by dictatorships of various forms, which lent credence to this sort of mentality. Post Cold War, it's quite obvious that trying to link the many disparate reasons for a lack of democratic rule in all those different regions to religion was fucking retarded but apparently we still haven't learned that international relations are complex and multifaceted.
MapleSpaceCadetA time will come, probably after many more attacks, when the countries of the west realize you can't be civilized with cultures/religions that have not evolved to that level. At one time ,Christianity was just as violent as Islam and perhaps even more brutal but we evolved in the west and so did our belief system. The same has simply not happened in the middle east and both cultures will continue to clash.
It wasn't too long ago that popular wisdom held Catholic nations were too uncivilized to handle democracy because Catholicism is rooted in obedience to authority. At that time (30ish years ago), the vast majority of Catholic nations (mainly East Europe, Italy, Latin America) were controlled by dictatorships of various forms, which lent credence to this sort of mentality. Post Cold War, it's quite obvious that trying to link the many disparate reasons for a lack of democratic rule in all those different regions to religion was fucking retarded but apparently we still haven't learned that international relations are complex and multifaceted.
heh, some would give credit to the catholic solidarity movement in Poland, as one of the big dominos that led to the collaps of the USSR. Pope John Paul II did make imho the mistake of treating liberation theology, as marxist subversion. So that might give the impression. Also Italy was not a dictatorship 30 year ago hah, their dictatorship was secular and a lot in conflict with the catholic church (Like how Mussolini strong-armed the vatican in the current arrangment.)
[quote=Maple][quote=SpaceCadet]
A time will come, probably after many more attacks, when the countries of the west realize you can't be civilized with cultures/religions that have not evolved to that level. At one time ,Christianity was just as violent as Islam and perhaps even more brutal but we evolved in the west and so did our belief system. The same has simply not happened in the middle east and both cultures will continue to clash.[/quote]
It wasn't too long ago that popular wisdom held Catholic nations were too uncivilized to handle democracy because Catholicism is rooted in obedience to authority. At that time (30ish years ago), the vast majority of Catholic nations (mainly East Europe, Italy, Latin America) were controlled by dictatorships of various forms, which lent credence to this sort of mentality. Post Cold War, it's quite obvious that trying to link the many disparate reasons for a lack of democratic rule in all those different regions to religion was fucking retarded but apparently we still haven't learned that international relations are complex and multifaceted.[/quote]
heh, some would give credit to the catholic solidarity movement in Poland, as one of the big dominos that led to the collaps of the USSR. Pope John Paul II did make imho the mistake of treating liberation theology, as marxist subversion. So that might give the impression. Also Italy was not a dictatorship 30 year ago hah, their dictatorship was secular and a lot in conflict with the catholic church (Like how Mussolini strong-armed the vatican in the current arrangment.)
MapleSpaceCadetA time will come, probably after many more attacks, when the countries of the west realize you can't be civilized with cultures/religions that have not evolved to that level. At one time ,Christianity was just as violent as Islam and perhaps even more brutal but we evolved in the west and so did our belief system. The same has simply not happened in the middle east and both cultures will continue to clash.
It wasn't too long ago that popular wisdom held Catholic nations were too uncivilized to handle democracy because Catholicism is rooted in obedience to authority. At that time (30ish years ago), the vast majority of Catholic nations (mainly East Europe, Italy, Latin America) were controlled by dictatorships of various forms, which lent credence to this sort of mentality. Post Cold War, it's quite obvious that trying to link the many disparate reasons for a lack of democratic rule in all those different regions to religion was fucking retarded but apparently we still haven't learned that international relations are complex and multifaceted.
Those popular wisdoms are fucking hilarious.
Dictatorship in Poland (I'm not speaking for other countries) was imposed after WWII when America and Britain agreed to leave the country to Soviets (http://www.gcsehistory.org.uk/modernworld/coldwar/tehranyaltapotsdam.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference#Poland_and_the_Eastern_Bloc) and it wasn't broadly supported so religion of people here had nothing to do with it. It's also worth noting that communist government was murdering some priests, so it also had nothing to do with catolicism (most notable example is Popiełuszko who's recognized as martyr).
Truth is while I'm not a big supporter of catholic church nowadays it was the reason why government couldn't do everything back then as it was the only non-government controlled legal organization uniting most of the people.
[quote=Maple][quote=SpaceCadet]
A time will come, probably after many more attacks, when the countries of the west realize you can't be civilized with cultures/religions that have not evolved to that level. At one time ,Christianity was just as violent as Islam and perhaps even more brutal but we evolved in the west and so did our belief system. The same has simply not happened in the middle east and both cultures will continue to clash.[/quote]
It wasn't too long ago that popular wisdom held Catholic nations were too uncivilized to handle democracy because Catholicism is rooted in obedience to authority. At that time (30ish years ago), the vast majority of Catholic nations (mainly East Europe, Italy, Latin America) were controlled by dictatorships of various forms, which lent credence to this sort of mentality. Post Cold War, it's quite obvious that trying to link the many disparate reasons for a lack of democratic rule in all those different regions to religion was fucking retarded but apparently we still haven't learned that international relations are complex and multifaceted.[/quote]
Those popular wisdoms are fucking hilarious.
Dictatorship in Poland (I'm not speaking for other countries) was imposed after WWII when America and Britain agreed to leave the country to Soviets (http://www.gcsehistory.org.uk/modernworld/coldwar/tehranyaltapotsdam.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference#Poland_and_the_Eastern_Bloc) and it wasn't broadly supported so religion of people here had nothing to do with it. It's also worth noting that communist government was murdering some priests, so it also had nothing to do with catolicism (most notable example is Popiełuszko who's recognized as martyr).
Truth is while I'm not a big supporter of catholic church nowadays it was the reason why government couldn't do everything back then as it was the only non-government controlled legal organization uniting most of the people.
the sheer fact that a not-small number of american shootings in recent years has come from rather militant atheists kinda points out how little religion really has to do with it in the long run. it's just a middle man for their moral justifications at most, and the actual consistency comes in their need to enforce a power structure in their favor long-term
canada is one of the most heavily multi-cultured first-world countries out there, a pretty wide mixture of atheists, muslims and catholic christians from city-to-city... and the only times heavy islamist terrorism came about was in very edge-case scenarios that were either prevented, or quickly contained. on the flip-side, the 60s had a bunch of quebecois nationalist terrorists, who weren't very religious at all
the sheer fact that a not-small number of american shootings in recent years has come from rather militant atheists kinda points out how little religion really has to do with it in the long run. it's just a middle man for their moral justifications at most, and the actual consistency comes in their need to enforce a power structure in their favor long-term
canada is one of the most heavily multi-cultured first-world countries out there, a pretty wide mixture of atheists, muslims and catholic christians from city-to-city... and the only times heavy islamist terrorism came about was in very edge-case scenarios that were either prevented, or quickly contained. on the flip-side, the 60s had a bunch of quebecois nationalist terrorists, who weren't very religious at all
Terrorist attacks are in no way shape or form the same as mass shootings except for the killing part, most people who commit these mass shootings have mental health issues, severe depression, are lonely outcasts etc. Terrorist attacks are organized groups of people who kill innocents for their own ideology of what is right, while the mass shooters know what they do is wrong, they just want to hurt people.
Terrorist attacks are in no way shape or form the same as mass shootings except for the killing part, most people who commit these mass shootings have mental health issues, severe depression, are lonely outcasts etc. Terrorist attacks are organized groups of people who kill innocents for their own ideology of what is right, while the mass shooters know what they do is wrong, they just want to hurt people.
BonafideTmost people who commit these mass shootings have mental health issues, severe depression, are lonely outcasts etc.
this is flat-out incorrect, as statistics people have been regularly posting have shown. likewise, mental health as an excuse is mostly used in america as another scapegoat, as any genuine problem in mental health is immediately brushed aside once people cease talking about the shooter
on top of this, a good number of the shooters are well-known to hold ideology, as I was specifically referring to the militant atheist who shot and killed his muslim neighbors, or the men's rights activist who made a youtube video of his motto a day before killing . it's simply not referred to under the american semantics of "terrorism", because the american definition is intentionally set to only refer to anti-state killers
[quote=Bonafide]Tmost people who commit these mass shootings have mental health issues, severe depression, are lonely outcasts etc.[/quote]
this is flat-out incorrect, as statistics people have been regularly posting have shown. likewise, mental health as an excuse is mostly used in america as another scapegoat, as any genuine problem in mental health is immediately brushed aside once people cease talking about the shooter
on top of this, a good number of the shooters are well-known to hold ideology, as I was specifically referring to the militant atheist who shot and killed his muslim neighbors, or [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/anne-theriault-/elliot-rodger-shooting_b_5386818.html]the men's rights activist who made a youtube video of his motto a day before killing[/url] . it's simply not referred to under the american semantics of "terrorism", because the american definition is intentionally set to only refer to anti-state killers
trashBonafideTmost people who commit these mass shootings have mental health issues, severe depression, are lonely outcasts etc.
this is flat-out incorrect, as statistics people have been regularly posting have shown. likewise, mental health as an excuse is mostly used in america as another scapegoat, as any genuine problem in mental health is immediately brushed aside once people cease talking about the shooter
on top of this, a good number of the shooters are well-known to hold ideology, as I was specifically referring to the militant atheist who shot and killed his muslim neighbors, or the men's rights activist who made a youtube video of his motto a day before killing . it's simply not referred to under the american semantics of "terrorism", because the american definition is intentionally set to only refer to anti-state killers
I am personally even one of the believers guns shouldn't be allowed and indeed mental health is used as an excuse, but that doesn't mean it doesn't play a role in the shootings, these, usually men, have no place to talk about their issues and are rejected by many. They grow hatred for everyone. Comparing mass shootings to terrorist attacks is comparing any hostage takeover or murder to terrorist attacks, they are not comparable as an issue.
[quote=trash][quote=Bonafide]Tmost people who commit these mass shootings have mental health issues, severe depression, are lonely outcasts etc.[/quote]
this is flat-out incorrect, as statistics people have been regularly posting have shown. likewise, mental health as an excuse is mostly used in america as another scapegoat, as any genuine problem in mental health is immediately brushed aside once people cease talking about the shooter
on top of this, a good number of the shooters are well-known to hold ideology, as I was specifically referring to the militant atheist who shot and killed his muslim neighbors, or [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/anne-theriault-/elliot-rodger-shooting_b_5386818.html]the men's rights activist who made a youtube video of his motto a day before killin[/url]g . it's simply not referred to under the american semantics of "terrorism", because the american definition is intentionally set to only refer to anti-state killers[/quote]
I am personally even one of the believers guns shouldn't be allowed and indeed mental health is used as an excuse, but that doesn't mean it doesn't play a role in the shootings, these, usually men, have no place to talk about their issues and are rejected by many. They grow hatred for everyone. Comparing mass shootings to terrorist attacks is comparing any hostage takeover or murder to terrorist attacks, they are not comparable as an issue.
These terrible events always bring the racists out of the woodwork
If you value your sanity stay away from reddit threads about this, racism everywhere
These terrible events always bring the racists out of the woodwork
If you value your sanity stay away from reddit threads about this, racism everywhere
I should point out that, in this scenario, there has been no form of "islamic terrorism" in canada, under the legal definition, that involved as many deaths as the ecole polytechnique massacre in quebec.
again, the definition of terrorism is intentionally arbitrary, but for logical comparison they can absolutely be classified as ideological when they explicitly have a learned, harmful ideology, shared through others wanting to hold power, behind their killings
I should point out that, in this scenario, there has been no form of "islamic terrorism" [u]in canada[/u], under the legal definition, that involved as many deaths as the ecole polytechnique massacre in quebec.
again, the definition of terrorism is intentionally arbitrary, but for logical comparison they can absolutely be classified as ideological when they explicitly have a learned, harmful ideology, shared through others wanting to hold power, behind their killings
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/14/exclusive-u-s-targets-isis-in-libya-airstrike.html
I don't know how this stuff gets confirmed, but apparently an airstrike from us killed the leader of ISIS. Nice.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/14/exclusive-u-s-targets-isis-in-libya-airstrike.html
I don't know how this stuff gets confirmed, but apparently an airstrike from us killed the leader of ISIS. Nice.
Let's just agree on that we're completely against all of it. Because I don't really want to discuss after such horrific events, even though I just did.
Let's just agree on that we're completely against all of it. Because I don't really want to discuss after such horrific events, even though I just did.
yeah, I'm down for that. my apologies for the argument
yeah, I'm down for that. my apologies for the argument
kirbyhttp://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/14/exclusive-u-s-targets-isis-in-libya-airstrike.html
I don't know how this stuff gets confirmed, but apparently an airstrike from us killed the leader of ISIS. Nice.
It was the ISIS leader in Libya, who they "probably" killed.
[quote=kirby]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/14/exclusive-u-s-targets-isis-in-libya-airstrike.html
I don't know how this stuff gets confirmed, but apparently an airstrike from us killed the leader of ISIS. Nice.[/quote]
It was the ISIS leader in Libya, who they "probably" killed.
trashthe men's rights activist who made a youtube video of his motto a day before killing
I don't really see what made elliot rodger a men's rights activist. Seems much more like a failed pickup up artist. But far be it from a (feminist, leftist, whateverist) to confuse two groups of people with some overlap, that could get you called a racist in different circumstances.
[quote=trash][url=http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/anne-theriault-/elliot-rodger-shooting_b_5386818.html]the men's rights activist who made a youtube video of his motto a day before killing[/url][/quote] I don't really see what made elliot rodger a men's rights activist. Seems much more like a failed pickup up artist. But far be it from a (feminist, leftist, whateverist) to confuse two groups of people with some overlap, that could get you called a racist in different circumstances.
trashI should point out that, in this scenario, there has been no form of "islamic terrorism", under the legal definition, that involved as many deaths as the ecole polytechnique massacre in quebec.
again, the definition of terrorism is intentionally arbitrary, but for logical comparison they can absolutely be classified as ideological when they explicitly have a learned, harmful ideology, shared through others wanting to hold power, behind their killings
did you forgot about 9/11
[quote=trash]I should point out that, in this scenario, there has been no form of "islamic terrorism", under the legal definition, that involved as many deaths as the ecole polytechnique massacre in quebec.
again, the definition of terrorism is intentionally arbitrary, but for logical comparison they can absolutely be classified as ideological when they explicitly have a learned, harmful ideology, shared through others wanting to hold power, behind their killings[/quote]
did you forgot about 9/11
DreamboatHaven't heard anything from my aunt and uncle who's hotel was 30min away from the attacks... Has there been any info on if any Canadians were wounded/killed?
Update on this:
They're safe, last I heard they were at the airport and on their way home!
[quote=Dreamboat]Haven't heard anything from my aunt and uncle who's hotel was 30min away from the attacks... Has there been any info on if any Canadians were wounded/killed?[/quote]
Update on this:
They're safe, last I heard they were at the airport and on their way home!
http://globalnews.ca/news/2339859/trump-says-paris-massacre-would-have-been-different-if-people-had-guns/
oh man, thats quite the opinion.
sacdid you forgot about 9/11
...I thought I put "in canada" at the end of that, but forgot. yeah, I meant in context of canada's domestic terrorism. my bad
DanceNumberhttp://globalnews.ca/news/2339859/trump-says-paris-massacre-would-have-been-different-if-people-had-guns/
oh man, thats quite the opinion.
maybe if we dump oil onto the forest fire, it'll douse itself out
[quote=sac]
did you forgot about 9/11[/quote]
...I thought I put "in canada" at the end of that, but forgot. yeah, I meant in context of canada's domestic terrorism. my bad
[quote=DanceNumber]http://globalnews.ca/news/2339859/trump-says-paris-massacre-would-have-been-different-if-people-had-guns/
oh man, thats quite the opinion.[/quote]
maybe if we dump oil onto the forest fire, it'll douse itself out
Really wonder what goes on in Trumps mind sometimes rofl
Really wonder what goes on in Trumps mind sometimes rofl
[img]http://d35brb9zkkbdsd.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/terrorism-EU-2-638x599.png[/img]
pothttp://d35brb9zkkbdsd.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/terrorism-EU-2-638x599.png
directly lifted from the source:
https://i.imgur.com/UPs1L49.png
I suppose the point can still technically stand on its own disconnected from the UK, but the vagueness on the UK's part is a bit of a nuisance
e: actually looking into this, a lot of data is weird. for example, despite europol still being able to know which crimes are and aren't right-wing extremism upon arrest, no country is actually willing to properly classify the attacks as such, even though they still do so for left-wing extremism, which gives a similar amount of arrests. these statistics are odd
[quote=pot][img]http://d35brb9zkkbdsd.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/terrorism-EU-2-638x599.png[/img][/quote]
[url=https://www.europol.europa.eu/content/european-union-terrorism-situation-and-trend-report-2015]directly lifted from the source[/url]:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/UPs1L49.png[/img]
I suppose the point can still technically stand on its own disconnected from the UK, but the vagueness on the UK's part is a bit of a nuisance
e: actually looking into this, a lot of data is weird. for example, despite europol still being able to know which crimes are and aren't right-wing extremism upon arrest, no country is actually willing to properly classify the attacks as such, even though they still do so for left-wing extremism, which gives a similar amount of arrests. these statistics are odd
http://i.imgur.com/cOeyPSb.jpg
“The worst of times brings out the best in people.”
[img]http://i.imgur.com/cOeyPSb.jpg[/img]
“The worst of times brings out the best in people.”
Some of the posts in this thread are steeped in a racist and deeply reactionary mindset and i hope that Sheepylol, SpaceCadet et al. reconsider their point of view. Some choice words from a friend on facebook:
Attacks like the ones tonight in Paris are committed to purposely trigger an Islamophobic backlash. That backlash is not an unintended consequence of such attacks, it is part of their logic. ISIS types want an Islamophobic backlash because it lends credence to their narrative that there is a war between the West and Islam. By strengthening and emboldening the xenophobic right-wing in Europe, they strengthen their own worldview as well. And the most tragic irony is that that backlash may target refugees who themselves had been fleeing ISIS' reign of terror.
Thoughts with everyone in Paris tonight. May the forces who wish to beget an apocalyptic "war of civilizations" be defeated.
Some of the posts in this thread are steeped in a racist and deeply reactionary mindset and i hope that Sheepylol, SpaceCadet et al. reconsider their point of view. Some choice words from a friend on facebook:
[quote]Attacks like the ones tonight in Paris are committed to purposely trigger an Islamophobic backlash. That backlash is not an unintended consequence of such attacks, it is part of their logic. ISIS types want an Islamophobic backlash because it lends credence to their narrative that there is a war between the West and Islam. By strengthening and emboldening the xenophobic right-wing in Europe, they strengthen their own worldview as well. And the most tragic irony is that that backlash may target refugees who themselves had been fleeing ISIS' reign of terror.
Thoughts with everyone in Paris tonight. May the forces who wish to beget an apocalyptic "war of civilizations" be defeated.[/quote]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/stFxevb.jpg[/img]
Isis claims they are muslims but don't follow the teachings of Islam at all. Its sad that the actions of a few makes the world judge the rest of the billion+ population of muslims who just want to pray 5 times a day and give to charity. The religion itself isn't violent but if you're a violent person your islam is going to be violent. The same goes for any other religion. Religion just becomes the scapegoat for the actions of these psychopaths.
"Whoever kills an innocent person is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)
Isis claims they are muslims but don't follow the teachings of Islam at all. Its sad that the actions of a few makes the world judge the rest of the billion+ population of muslims who just want to pray 5 times a day and give to charity. The religion itself isn't violent but if you're a violent person your islam is going to be violent. The same goes for any other religion. Religion just becomes the scapegoat for the actions of these psychopaths.
"Whoever kills an innocent person is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)
SpaceCadetWith 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world, if even 1% of them are extremists then we need to worry about 16 million of these idiots causing us harm. Lots of estimates are well above 1% so don't act like it was just 8 guys in Paris out for a stroll with guns and bombs completely not representative of a HUGE amount of people who agree with killing us.
You keep worrying about "statistics" and and whatever college professors paper you happen to read and agree with on a Friday night. While you and the medic do that, the next terror plot is being sketched out in some random house right now by a group of people who should not be in either country to begin with.
It sounds like you're a few posts away from sharing your final solution to the Muslim question...
SpaceCadetA time will come, probably after many more attacks, when the countries of the west realize you can't be civilized with cultures/religions that have not evolved to that level. At one time ,Christianity was just as violent as Islam and perhaps even more brutal but we evolved in the west and so did our belief system. The same has simply not happened in the middle east and both cultures will continue to clash.
You do realize Social Darwinism has lead to millions upon millions of deaths?
[quote=SpaceCadet]
With 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world, if even 1% of them are extremists then we need to worry about 16 million of these idiots causing us harm. Lots of estimates are well above 1% so don't act like it was just 8 guys in Paris out for a stroll with guns and bombs completely not representative of a HUGE amount of people who agree with killing us.
You keep worrying about "statistics" and and whatever college professors paper you happen to read and agree with on a Friday night. While you and the medic do that, the next terror plot is being sketched out in some random house right now by a group of people who should not be in either country to begin with.[/quote]
It sounds like you're a few posts away from sharing your final solution to the Muslim question...
[quote=SpaceCadet]
A time will come, probably after many more attacks, when the countries of the west realize you can't be civilized with cultures/religions that have not evolved to that level. At one time ,Christianity was just as violent as Islam and perhaps even more brutal but we evolved in the west and so did our belief system. The same has simply not happened in the middle east and both cultures will continue to clash.[/quote]
You do realize Social Darwinism has lead to millions upon millions of deaths?
ikpureIsis claims they are muslims but don't follow the teachings of Islam at all. Its sad that the actions of a few makes the world judge the rest of the billion+ population of muslims who just want to pray 5 times a day and give to charity. The religion itself isn't violent but if you're a violent person your islam is going to be violent. The same goes for any other religion. Religion just becomes the scapegoat for the actions of these psychopaths.
"Whoever kills an innocent person is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
[quote=ikpure]Isis claims they are muslims but don't follow the teachings of Islam at all. Its sad that the actions of a few makes the world judge the rest of the billion+ population of muslims who just want to pray 5 times a day and give to charity. The religion itself isn't violent but if you're a violent person your islam is going to be violent. The same goes for any other religion. Religion just becomes the scapegoat for the actions of these psychopaths.
"Whoever kills an innocent person is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)[/quote]
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"