trashsheepylolIt's important to know that how they are feeling isn't entirely unjustified and they are not bad people for feeling like this. This is why people need to stop throwing around the word "racist" here when someone says anything remotely against Islam, all it will do is make them feel worse and it will certainly not help to change their views.
"my racism is okay because it involved a bad scenario" is still racism. you don't get to will away the consequences of what that means, and you definitely better not be willing to go into a discussion thread thinking you should continue to live in ignorance if this is what you strongly believe
SpaceCadetYou can disagree with my point of view on immigration, that is your right. Just don't be among the crowd screaming "how did they get in the country?" when an attack of greater magnitude hits in the USA.
oh boy, fox news rhetoric, my fav
1) I'm not even american, there's like a flag of where I'm from RIGHT ABOVE THIS TEXT! and, in that magical world, we let a lot of different people in for quite a while, to the point that our ministry cabinet just straight-up has a sikh leading our entire military now. funny enough, we have yet to explode from sheer cultural impact
2) if you were actually as emphasized on "safety" as you proudly believed yourself to be, surely you'd be eyeing up the massive number of gun-related deaths in america, a statistic which doesn't even just eclipse all terrorist deaths in america since 2001, but actually beats that number on a monthly basis? statistically, you're not actually accomplishing much if you want safety
3) if you actually had any understanding of who the daesh were beyond your shitty pre-historic brain mentality of "MAN IN STRANGE GARB, MUST REMOVE", you would realize that they and you are actually the best of pals in this world. they want people like you, because your bullshit creates more misinformation, and that lets them justify to more ignorance
I don't watch or listen to FOX news, it is beyond terrible. I also never referred to or said the word "safety" once in my posts.
The massive number of gun related deaths in this country are not terrorist related incidents. They also have nothing at all to do with keeping terrorists out of this country which is the main issue I am talking about.
I think you need to decide what issue you are really talking about here and not try to change the subject of your argument when the answers don't suit you.
[quote=trash][quote=sheepylol]It's important to know that how they are feeling isn't entirely unjustified and they are not bad people for feeling like this. This is why people need to stop throwing around the word "racist" here when someone says anything remotely against Islam, all it will do is make them feel worse and it will certainly not help to change their views.[/quote]
"my racism is okay because it involved a bad scenario" is still racism. you don't get to will away the consequences of what that means, and you definitely better not be willing to go into a discussion thread thinking you should continue to live in ignorance if this is what you strongly believe
[quote=SpaceCadet]You can disagree with my point of view on immigration, that is your right. Just don't be among the crowd screaming "how did they get in the country?" when an attack of greater magnitude hits in the USA.[/quote]
oh boy, fox news rhetoric, my fav
1) I'm not even american, there's like a flag of where I'm from RIGHT ABOVE THIS TEXT! and, in that magical world, we let a lot of different people in for quite a while, to the point that our ministry cabinet just straight-up has a sikh leading our entire military now. funny enough, we have yet to explode from sheer cultural impact
2) if you were actually as emphasized on "safety" as you proudly believed yourself to be, surely you'd be eyeing up the massive number of gun-related deaths in america, a statistic which doesn't even just eclipse all terrorist deaths in america since 2001, but actually beats that number on a monthly basis? statistically, you're not actually accomplishing much if you want safety
3) if you actually had any understanding of who the daesh were beyond your shitty pre-historic brain mentality of "MAN IN STRANGE GARB, MUST REMOVE", you would realize that they and you are actually the best of pals in this world. they want people like you, because your bullshit creates more misinformation, and that lets them justify to more ignorance[/quote]
I don't watch or listen to FOX news, it is beyond terrible. I also never referred to or said the word "safety" once in my posts.
The massive number of gun related deaths in this country are not terrorist related incidents. They also have nothing at all to do with keeping terrorists out of this country which is the main issue I am talking about.
I think you need to decide what issue you are really talking about here and not try to change the subject of your argument when the answers don't suit you.
trash
"my racism is okay because it involved a bad scenario" is still racism. you don't get to will away the consequences of what that means, and you definitely better not be willing to go into a discussion thread thinking you should continue to live in ignorance if this is what you strongly believe
I think you have misunderstood my post. I was certainly not saying racism is ok, just like how sexism is also not ok. I was saying that there is usually a logical explanation for people being racist/sexist and more importantly - people can change their views on a race, gender, country ect with proper threapy. Just like the young girl who is afraid of men because of what a man did will get therapy and help so she can overcome her sexism, racism can be overcome with therapy, help, understanding and support. Think of it like this - no one will ever call the girl sexist because people understand the reason she feels this way towards men and instead of persecuting her they will try to help her. We need to act the same with people who are against Muslims,
[quote=trash]
"my racism is okay because it involved a bad scenario" is still racism. you don't get to will away the consequences of what that means, and you definitely better not be willing to go into a discussion thread thinking you should continue to live in ignorance if this is what you strongly believe
[/quote]
I think you have misunderstood my post. I was certainly not saying racism is ok, just like how sexism is also not ok. I was saying that there is usually a logical explanation for people being racist/sexist and more importantly - people can change their views on a race, gender, country ect with proper threapy. Just like the young girl who is afraid of men because of what a man did will get therapy and help so she can overcome her sexism, racism can be overcome with therapy, help, understanding and support. Think of it like this - no one will ever call the girl sexist because people understand the reason she feels this way towards men and instead of persecuting her they will try to help her. We need to act the same with people who are against Muslims,
what hes saying (i think) is that if you were ACTUALLY interested in safety and not just distrustful of foreigners you might try to fix domestic gun crimes than "immigrant terrorism"
what hes saying (i think) is that if you were ACTUALLY interested in safety and not just distrustful of foreigners you might try to fix domestic gun crimes than "immigrant terrorism"
fatswimdudewhat hes saying is that if you were really interested in safety and not just distrustful of foreigners you might try to fix domestic gun crimes than "immigrant terrorism"
I am interested in keeping terrorists out of our country. If you want to call that a safety concern, fair enough. I can easily agree that gun crimes is an issue that needs to be fixed in this country. I also think it is a totally separate issue than the one we are talking about currently and has no basis for comparison.
[quote=fatswimdude]what hes saying is that if you were really interested in safety and not just distrustful of foreigners you might try to fix domestic gun crimes than "immigrant terrorism"[/quote]
I am interested in keeping terrorists out of our country. If you want to call that a safety concern, fair enough. I can easily agree that gun crimes is an issue that needs to be fixed in this country. I also think it is a totally separate issue than the one we are talking about currently and has no basis for comparison.
SheepylolObviously it is logical to not feel any hostility towards entire races, sex or counties because certain people from a certain race, sex or country have caused one grief in any form in the past. Unfortunately this is not how human psychology works - I can go back to my example of women who are abused by men at a young age, if a young girl is repeatedly sexually abused by a specific gender (lets say men here) then the child will begin to have negative associations with not only the man who was abusing her but also with men in general, obviously not all men sexually abuse little girls but even if the girl knows that she can't help but feel scared or angry at any man she comes into contact with because it was a man who did it, It can take years of therapy for the girl to be able to trust men again and some women can go their whole lives never trusting men because of what one man did to them.
Obviously this is quite a different example but the psychology is very similar. It happened to america after 9/11 and its happening to Europe now. People are going to start negatively associating Islam as a religion and the people who follow it because of what a few crazy Muslims did. People know that not all Muslims are killers and they know that the Muslim they are talking to is perfectly harmless and probably a really nice guy. However the young girl who was sexually abused knows that the majority of men she comes into contact with are also harmless and probably really nice guys as well, despite this she will still have extreme difficulty for the rest of her life trusting men in general because of what one man did to her.
Most of us haven't been affected too badly by Muslims in our lifetime so we might find it hard to understand why a lot of people find it hard to trust Muslims nowadays just like the girl who wasn't sexually abused finds it hard to understand why the other girl who was can't talk to men.
With something like this happening, those of us with empathy are affected when people are killed so brutally like they were in Paris. Sometimes this is what causes "Islamophobia" or "racism". It's not always illogical hatred or ignorance like you all seem to think it is - it sometimes comes down to reasonable negative association. I am not defending racism but I think sometimes extremely racist people need therapy and help instead of more hatred thrown at them by people who don't understand what has caused them to be "racist" in the first place. You find it hard to understand something that you have never experienced
So this is why the more this kind of thing happens, the more people will start to worry when they see that their taxi driver is Muslim or that their new best friend has turned to Islam. People will fear their safety because the people causing these events call themselves Muslim. Its not illogical at all really, it mainly comes down to basic psychology. People can really turn their views around if they acknowledge and understand why they are feeling this way about Muslims. It's important to know that how they are feeling isn't entirely unjustified and they are not bad people for feeling like this. This is why people need to stop throwing around the word "racist" here when someone says anything remotely against Islam, all it will do is make them feel worse and it will certainly not help to change their views.
I can promise you that if your mother was one of the people gunned down in Paris on Friday. You would find it very hard to accept and trust Muslims for a long time.
It should be a given that after such a traumatic incident done by extremists it will make you more wary of Muslims as a whole. What you seem to miss is that it still doesn't make that fear justified or reasonable.
We know through facts an overwhelming majority of the Muslim community is innocent of extremist crimes and do not deserve the discrimination, but our body is telling us to be afraid and scared of them because of this traumatic event done by a fanatical few. If you cannot realize that and overcome that fear you have of them, then you only make things worse for all parties. The Muslims who are bring discriminated against feel at least as much if not more afraid of their future than you are as a result of this catastrophe they had no control over.
[quote=Sheepylol]
Obviously it is logical to not feel any hostility towards entire races, sex or counties because certain people from a certain race, sex or country have caused one grief in any form in the past. Unfortunately this is not how human psychology works - I can go back to my example of women who are abused by men at a young age, if a young girl is repeatedly sexually abused by a specific gender (lets say men here) then the child will begin to have negative associations with not only the man who was abusing her but also with men in general, obviously not all men sexually abuse little girls but even if the girl knows that she can't help but feel scared or angry at any man she comes into contact with because it was a man who did it, It can take years of therapy for the girl to be able to trust men again and some women can go their whole lives never trusting men because of what one man did to them.
Obviously this is quite a different example but the psychology is very similar. It happened to america after 9/11 and its happening to Europe now. People are going to start negatively associating Islam as a religion and the people who follow it because of what a few crazy Muslims did. People know that not all Muslims are killers and they know that the Muslim they are talking to is perfectly harmless and probably a really nice guy. However the young girl who was sexually abused knows that the majority of men she comes into contact with are also harmless and probably really nice guys as well, despite this she will still have extreme difficulty for the rest of her life trusting men in general because of what one man did to her.
Most of us haven't been affected too badly by Muslims in our lifetime so we might find it hard to understand why a lot of people find it hard to trust Muslims nowadays just like the girl who wasn't sexually abused finds it hard to understand why the other girl who was can't talk to men.
With something like this happening, those of us with empathy are affected when people are killed so brutally like they were in Paris. Sometimes this is what causes "Islamophobia" or "racism". It's not always illogical hatred or ignorance like you all seem to think it is - it sometimes comes down to reasonable negative association. I am not defending racism but I think sometimes extremely racist people need therapy and help instead of more hatred thrown at them by people who don't understand what has caused them to be "racist" in the first place. You find it hard to understand something that you have never experienced
So this is why the more this kind of thing happens, the more people will start to worry when they see that their taxi driver is Muslim or that their new best friend has turned to Islam. People will fear their safety because the people causing these events call themselves Muslim. Its not illogical at all really, it mainly comes down to basic psychology. People can really turn their views around if they acknowledge and understand why they are feeling this way about Muslims. It's important to know that how they are feeling isn't entirely unjustified and they are not bad people for feeling like this. This is why people need to stop throwing around the word "racist" here when someone says anything remotely against Islam, all it will do is make them feel worse and it will certainly not help to change their views.
I can promise you that if your mother was one of the people gunned down in Paris on Friday. You would find it very hard to accept and trust Muslims for a long time.[/quote]
It should be a given that after such a traumatic incident done by extremists it will make you more wary of Muslims as a whole. What you seem to miss is that it still doesn't make that fear justified or reasonable.
We know through facts an overwhelming majority of the Muslim community is innocent of extremist crimes and do not deserve the discrimination, but our body is telling us to be afraid and scared of them because of this traumatic event done by a fanatical few. If you cannot realize that and overcome that fear you have of them, then you only make things worse for all parties. The Muslims who are bring discriminated against feel at least as much if not more afraid of their future than you are as a result of this catastrophe they had no control over.
SpaceCadetand not try to change the subject of your argument when the answers don't suit you.
dude you literally touched on three slight cherry-picks and conveniently ignored the rest
I repeat: I live in a country wherein not only can people who would fall into your racist "terrorist" racial profiling (of which I should point out will inevitably contain non-muslims, due to your ignorant generalizations) still come in, but also can get enough recognition to take leadership of our entire military.
where's all this terrorism? where's this violence over clash of cultures? you say I'm gonna bemoan a great terrorist attack in the US, but canada is doing all the things you're saying not to do, and yet, the one thing that's actually happened even remotely related to this was a year ago, an attack by a fringe dude (whom, at best, would be more compared to american shootings than anything) that was almost immediately contained. in fact, the only recent thing I can find was that mosque being burned down, from what I mentioned a few pages back
[quote=SpaceCadet]and not try to change the subject of your argument when the answers don't suit you.[/quote]
dude you literally touched on three slight cherry-picks and conveniently ignored the rest
I repeat: I live in a country wherein not only can people who would fall into your racist "terrorist" racial profiling (of which I should point out will inevitably contain non-muslims, due to your ignorant generalizations) still come in, but also can get enough recognition to [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harjit_Sajjan]take leadership of our entire military[/url].
where's all this terrorism? where's this violence over clash of cultures? you say I'm gonna bemoan a great terrorist attack in the US, but canada is doing all the things you're saying not to do, and yet, the one thing that's actually happened even remotely related to this was a year ago, an attack by a fringe dude (whom, at best, would be more compared to american shootings than anything) that was almost immediately contained. in fact, the only recent thing I can find was that mosque being burned down, from what I mentioned a few pages back
Space, you still haven't answered the question. How do you differentiate between terrorists and innocent Muslims (or even middle eastern christians?)
Are you just going to dance around that? Nobody has come up with a good solution. Please don't tell me you actually believe in screening or background checks or questionnaires. It's so easy to spoof backgrounds nowadays that any attempt to do a background check is laughable.
if the only way to stop any extremists from entering your country are you willing to take the route of extreme racism/xenophobia? Because I'm not and I'd hope that our leaders will never be that close minded.
Space, you still haven't answered the question. How do you differentiate between terrorists and innocent Muslims (or even middle eastern christians?)
Are you just going to dance around that? Nobody has come up with a good solution. Please don't tell me you actually believe in screening or background checks or questionnaires. It's so easy to spoof backgrounds nowadays that any attempt to do a background check is laughable.
if the only way to stop any extremists from entering your country are you willing to take the route of extreme racism/xenophobia? Because I'm not and I'd hope that our leaders will never be that close minded.
bowswer5
It should be a given that after such a traumatic incident done by extremist Muslims will make you more wary of Muslims as a whole. What you seem to miss is that it still doesn't make that fear justified or reasonable.
We know through facts an overwhelming majority of the Muslim community is innocent of extremist crimes and do not deserve the discrimination, but our body is telling us to be afraid and scared of them because of this traumatic event done by a fanatical few. If you cannot realize that and overcome that fear you have of them, then you only make things worse for all parties. The Muslims who are bring discriminated against feel at least as much if not more afraid of their future than you are as a result of this catastrophe they had no control over.
I really feel like you aren't reading or understanding my post. I did NOT say that the fear is justified. I am saying that from a psychology standpoint, there is a reason that so many people are becoming afraid of Muslims. I don't get why people think I am trying to justify racism or think this makes it ok. People who murder also have a reason that makes sense or else they wouldn't murder but that doesn't make it ok. What I am saying is that if we want to solve this problem of "islamophobia" and racism in general we need to start understanding WHY people are against Muslims. Then we can start rehabilitation for them. Its not as simple as just "overcoming that fear you have of them" like you said. First we need to understand why the fear is there so we can start helping them get over this fear. A big problem nowadays, even in the psychology world, is that people don't want to even try understanding racism and why people feel the way they do, all people want to do is throw out hate and fling about words that will ultimately cause the racism to get worse.
If you want to solve a problem the first step is to understand it. People seem to be missing this part.
[quote=bowswer5]
It should be a given that after such a traumatic incident done by extremist Muslims will make you more wary of Muslims as a whole. What you seem to miss is that it still doesn't make that fear justified or reasonable.
We know through facts an overwhelming majority of the Muslim community is innocent of extremist crimes and do not deserve the discrimination, but our body is telling us to be afraid and scared of them because of this traumatic event done by a fanatical few. If you cannot realize that and overcome that fear you have of them, then you only make things worse for all parties. The Muslims who are bring discriminated against feel at least as much if not more afraid of their future than you are as a result of this catastrophe they had no control over.[/quote]
I really feel like you aren't reading or understanding my post. I did NOT say that the fear is justified. I am saying that from a psychology standpoint, there is a reason that so many people are becoming afraid of Muslims. I don't get why people think I am trying to justify racism or think this makes it ok. People who murder also have a reason that makes sense or else they wouldn't murder but that doesn't make it ok. What I am saying is that if we want to solve this problem of "islamophobia" and racism in general we need to start understanding WHY people are against Muslims. Then we can start rehabilitation for them. Its not as simple as just "overcoming that fear you have of them" like you said. First we need to understand why the fear is there so we can start helping them get over this fear. A big problem nowadays, even in the psychology world, is that people don't want to even try understanding racism and why people feel the way they do, all people want to do is throw out hate and fling about words that will ultimately cause the racism to get worse.
If you want to solve a problem the first step is to understand it. People seem to be missing this part.
Sheepylolbowswer5
It should be a given that after such a traumatic incident done by extremist Muslims will make you more wary of Muslims as a whole. What you seem to miss is that it still doesn't make that fear justified or reasonable.
We know through facts an overwhelming majority of the Muslim community is innocent of extremist crimes and do not deserve the discrimination, but our body is telling us to be afraid and scared of them because of this traumatic event done by a fanatical few. If you cannot realize that and overcome that fear you have of them, then you only make things worse for all parties. The Muslims who are bring discriminated against feel at least as much if not more afraid of their future than you are as a result of this catastrophe they had no control over.
I really feel like you aren't reading or understanding my post. I did NOT say that the fear is justified. I am saying that from a psychology standpoint, there is a reason that so many people are becoming afraid of Muslims. I don't get why people think I am trying to justify racism or think this makes it ok. People who murder also have a reason that makes sense or else they wouldn't murder but that doesn't make it ok. What I am saying is that if we want to solve this problem of "islamophobia" and racism in general we need to start understanding WHY people are against Muslims. Then we can start rehabilitation for them. Its not as simple as just "overcoming that fear you have of them" like you said. First we need to understand why the fear is there so we can start helping them get over this fear. A big problem nowadays, even in the psychology world, is that people don't want to even try understanding racism and why people feel the way they do, all people want to do is throw out hate and fling about words that will ultimately cause the racism to get worse.
If you want to solve a problem the first step is to understand it. People seem to be missing this part.
Of course there's a reason. There's a reason for ISIS bombing civilians, even that's not "irrational". I don't see why its that relevant for you to be stating it, its basically a given that people being scared is fueling it.
[quote=Sheepylol][quote=bowswer5]
It should be a given that after such a traumatic incident done by extremist Muslims will make you more wary of Muslims as a whole. What you seem to miss is that it still doesn't make that fear justified or reasonable.
We know through facts an overwhelming majority of the Muslim community is innocent of extremist crimes and do not deserve the discrimination, but our body is telling us to be afraid and scared of them because of this traumatic event done by a fanatical few. If you cannot realize that and overcome that fear you have of them, then you only make things worse for all parties. The Muslims who are bring discriminated against feel at least as much if not more afraid of their future than you are as a result of this catastrophe they had no control over.[/quote]
I really feel like you aren't reading or understanding my post. I did NOT say that the fear is justified. I am saying that from a psychology standpoint, there is a reason that so many people are becoming afraid of Muslims. I don't get why people think I am trying to justify racism or think this makes it ok. People who murder also have a reason that makes sense or else they wouldn't murder but that doesn't make it ok. What I am saying is that if we want to solve this problem of "islamophobia" and racism in general we need to start understanding WHY people are against Muslims. Then we can start rehabilitation for them. Its not as simple as just "overcoming that fear you have of them" like you said. First we need to understand why the fear is there so we can start helping them get over this fear. A big problem nowadays, even in the psychology world, is that people don't want to even try understanding racism and why people feel the way they do, all people want to do is throw out hate and fling about words that will ultimately cause the racism to get worse.
If you want to solve a problem the first step is to understand it. People seem to be missing this part.[/quote]
Of course there's a reason. There's a reason for ISIS bombing civilians, even that's not "irrational". I don't see why its that relevant for you to be stating it, its basically a given that people being scared is fueling it.
killemdeader
Of course there's a reason. There's a reason for ISIS bombing civilians, even that's not "irrational". I don't see why its that relevant for you to be stating it, its basically a given that people being scared is fueling it.
It's relevant because a lot of people on this thread don't seem to properly understand why people are being so anti-islam after these attacks. I just want people to be less ignorant about this. I'm really sick of seeing the word "racist" being thrown around here when its not the correct word to use. My point was basically - After an event like this a lot people are gonna be more afraid of Muslims. For most of us it won't really affect us since this event didn't personally impact us. For those people who were heavily impacted by it and have found themselves very anti-Islam because of it. They need to stop being persecuted by society and instead have society help them into changing their ways. This thread has shown me that a lot of people here have no intention of helping anyone and instead want to ridicule people they believe to be racist. This attitude will make ISIS stronger and it will make it much harder for people to recover from events like these.
[quote=killemdeader]
Of course there's a reason. There's a reason for ISIS bombing civilians, even that's not "irrational". I don't see why its that relevant for you to be stating it, its basically a given that people being scared is fueling it.[/quote]
It's relevant because a lot of people on this thread don't seem to properly understand why people are being so anti-islam after these attacks. I just want people to be less ignorant about this. I'm really sick of seeing the word "racist" being thrown around here when its not the correct word to use. My point was basically - After an event like this a lot people are gonna be more afraid of Muslims. For most of us it won't really affect us since this event didn't personally impact us. For those people who were heavily impacted by it and have found themselves very anti-Islam because of it. They need to stop being persecuted by society and instead have society help them into changing their ways. This thread has shown me that a lot of people here have no intention of helping anyone and instead want to ridicule people they believe to be racist. This attitude will make ISIS stronger and it will make it much harder for people to recover from events like these.
SpaceCadetI am interested in keeping terrorists out of our country. If you want to call that a safety concern, fair enough. I can easily agree that gun crimes is an issue that needs to be fixed in this country. I also think it is a totally separate issue than the one we are talking about currently and has no basis for comparison.
How do you tell the difference between the thousands of students whose parents are pumping hundreds of thousands of dollars per head into your economy getting their children educated in the US and the miniscule number of people entering the US with a plan to commit terrorism?
You're not seriously suggesting refusing access to the US to any citizens of any country with Islamic people in it?
[quote=SpaceCadet]I am interested in keeping terrorists out of our country. If you want to call that a safety concern, fair enough. I can easily agree that gun crimes is an issue that needs to be fixed in this country. I also think it is a totally separate issue than the one we are talking about currently and has no basis for comparison.[/quote]
How do you tell the difference between the thousands of students whose parents are pumping hundreds of thousands of dollars per head into your economy getting their children educated in the US and the miniscule number of people entering the US with a plan to commit terrorism?
You're not seriously suggesting refusing access to the US to any citizens of any country with Islamic people in it?
sensible citizen"Also I feel now like we should really tighten up on who we let into our countries, maybe start doing background checks and interviews more ect."
Marxist scumThis is known as racial profiling, it is or should be illegal everywhere, and it will not have any affect on the ability of terrorist groups to commit atrocities, it will only hurt ordinary people.
you're a racist in mustardoverlords eyes, if you want to control who goes in and out of your country. has he never been through customs as any foreigner there, where you have to do this regardless of your age, gender, ethnicy. So why call it racial profiling????
Do you even know how strict the rules are for immigration and visas, in the USA compared to europe? Lmao it's only a three years ago you couldn't travel to the USA if you had AIDS.
And why are you asking me for evidence?
*insert where is the proofs cock*
You have shown zero evidence of your own points to anyone, as well as many others, i always give sources, becuase i like talking from facts, but i'm getting tired of this double standards tbh..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_SB_1070
U.S. federal law requires all aliens over the age of 14 who remain in the United States for longer than 30 days[5] to register with the U.S. government,[6] and to have registration documents in their possession at all times; violation of this requirement is a federal misdemeanor crime.[7] The Arizona act additionally made it a state misdemeanor crime for an alien to be in Arizona without carrying the required documents,[8] required that state law enforcement officers attempt to determine an individual's immigration status during a "lawful stop, detention or arrest", when there is reasonable suspicion that the individual is an illegal immigrant.[9][10]
many mustardoverlords cried over "muh racism" but supreme court validated the act.
" All justices agreed to uphold the portion of the law allowing Arizona state police to investigate the immigration status of an individual stopped, detained, or arrested if there is reasonable suspicion that individual is in the country illegally.[258] "
Hey mustardoverlord, if you want to know what happens with your no-borders perfect world, look what happened in the last months in europe on how refugees go through several borders illegally, bypassing, any actual legitimate immigration according to the local laws. a guy can "find an AK" in a park in brussels, and try to do a terrorist hit in a train, or as I said from the start these severely underfunded services can keep doing their work, while some Marxist like mustardoverlord, breathes down their neck, to make their work as hard as possible becuase of various subversive reasons. One of the terrorists got into greece in oktober, and got all the way to france unhindered..
Let's see if you pass the common sense test: if someone from here goes to syria to fight for ISIS , and comes back a few months later, do you think there is a heightened security risk upon his return?
Newsflash:
deredactie.be Mohamed Abdeslam, de broer van twee verdachten in het onderzoek naar de aanslagen in Parijs, is door de onderzoeksrechter in Brussel vrijgelaten en niet in verdenking gesteld. Dat wordt bevestigd door de advocate van de man, Nathalie Gallant. Mohamed werkte tot voor een paar dagen op de Dienst Vreemdelingenzaken van Sint-Jans-Molenbeek. Naast Mohamed zijn nog vier van de zeven personen die dit weekend werden opgepakt, vrijgelaten.
Mohamed Abdeslam was zaterdag opgepakt nadat zijn broers in verband werden gebracht met de aanslagen. Volgens zijn advocate had hij echter een onweerlegbaar alibi voor vrijdagavond, zodat hij niet in Parijs kon zijn geweest. "Hij heeft niets te maken met de aanslagen", zegt meester Gallant.
Mohamed heeft jarenlang op het kabinet van Philippe Moureaux (PS) de voormalige burgemeester van de Brusselse gemeente Sint-Jans-Molenbeek. Dat heeft Moureaux zelf bevestigd aan de krant De Standaard. Tot voor enkele dagen werkte hij voor de Dienst Vreemdelingenzaken bij de gemeente. Hij zou zich daar volgens Moureaux onder meer hebben beziggehouden met regularisatiedossiers.
Lmao, local quarter under siege, rooting out suspects of the terrorist attack in paris, they already released someone becuase he has an alibi for direct involvment, but it's funny what he was doing, brother of two terrorists, works on the cabinet of the local socialists, and is responsible for immigration affairs. Well the idea, that "infiltrators" are active, in government services, isn't so far fetched now, is it.. oh wait, investigating relatives of terrorists, would be "racial profiling" according to marxistoverlord.
[quote=sensible citizen]"Also I feel now like we should really tighten up on who we let into our countries, maybe start doing background checks and interviews more ect."
[/quote]
[quote=Marxist scum]This is known as racial profiling, it is or should be illegal everywhere, and it will not have any affect on the ability of terrorist groups to commit atrocities, it will only hurt ordinary people.
[/quote]
you're a racist in mustardoverlords eyes, if you want to control who goes in and out of your country. has he never been through customs as any foreigner there, where you have to do this regardless of your age, gender, ethnicy. So why call it racial profiling????
Do you even know how strict the rules are for immigration and visas, in the USA compared to europe? Lmao it's only a three years ago you couldn't travel to the USA if you had AIDS.
And why are you asking me for evidence?
*insert where is the proofs cock*
You have shown zero evidence of your own points to anyone, as well as many others, i always give sources, becuase i like talking from facts, but i'm getting tired of this double standards tbh..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_SB_1070
U.S. federal law requires all aliens over the age of 14 who remain in the United States for longer than 30 days[5] to register with the U.S. government,[6] and to have registration documents in their possession at all times; violation of this requirement is a federal misdemeanor crime.[7] The Arizona act additionally made it a state misdemeanor crime for an alien to be in Arizona without carrying the required documents,[8] required that state law enforcement officers attempt to determine an individual's immigration status during a "lawful stop, detention or arrest", when there is reasonable suspicion that the individual is an illegal immigrant.[9][10]
many mustardoverlords cried over "muh racism" but supreme court validated the act.
" All justices agreed to uphold the portion of the law allowing Arizona state police to investigate the immigration status of an individual stopped, detained, or arrested if there is reasonable suspicion that individual is in the country illegally.[258] "
Hey mustardoverlord, if you want to know what happens with your no-borders perfect world, look what happened in the last months in europe on how refugees go through several borders illegally, bypassing, any actual legitimate immigration according to the local laws. a guy can "find an AK" in a park in brussels, and try to do a terrorist hit in a train, or as I said from the start these severely underfunded services can keep doing their work, while some Marxist like mustardoverlord, breathes down their neck, to make their work as hard as possible becuase of various subversive reasons. One of the terrorists got into greece in oktober, and got all the way to france unhindered..
Let's see if you pass the common sense test: if someone from here goes to syria to fight for ISIS , and comes back a few months later, do you think there is a heightened security risk upon his return?
Newsflash:
[quote=deredactie.be] Mohamed Abdeslam, de broer van twee verdachten in het onderzoek naar de aanslagen in Parijs, is door de onderzoeksrechter in Brussel vrijgelaten en niet in verdenking gesteld. Dat wordt bevestigd door de advocate van de man, Nathalie Gallant. Mohamed werkte tot voor een paar dagen op de Dienst Vreemdelingenzaken van Sint-Jans-Molenbeek. Naast Mohamed zijn nog vier van de zeven personen die dit weekend werden opgepakt, vrijgelaten.
Mohamed Abdeslam was zaterdag opgepakt nadat zijn broers in verband werden gebracht met de aanslagen. Volgens zijn advocate had hij echter een onweerlegbaar alibi voor vrijdagavond, zodat hij niet in Parijs kon zijn geweest. "Hij heeft niets te maken met de aanslagen", zegt meester Gallant.
Mohamed heeft jarenlang op het kabinet van Philippe Moureaux (PS) de voormalige burgemeester van de Brusselse gemeente Sint-Jans-Molenbeek. Dat heeft Moureaux zelf bevestigd aan de krant De Standaard. Tot voor enkele dagen werkte hij voor de Dienst Vreemdelingenzaken bij de gemeente. Hij zou zich daar volgens Moureaux onder meer hebben beziggehouden met regularisatiedossiers.[/quote]
Lmao, local quarter under siege, rooting out suspects of the terrorist attack in paris, they already released someone becuase he has an alibi for direct involvment, but it's funny what he was doing, brother of two terrorists, works on the cabinet of the local socialists, and is responsible for immigration affairs. Well the idea, that "infiltrators" are active, in government services, isn't so far fetched now, is it.. oh wait, investigating relatives of terrorists, would be "racial profiling" according to marxistoverlord.
read up to "Marxist scum", immediately ceased doing so
read up to "Marxist scum", immediately ceased doing so
trashread up to "Marxist scum", immediately ceased doing so
It's my favourite insult becuase it's true, never heard of the "internationalists"s or subversion? also aren't you the usefull idiot who said, that if 55% of a country like indonesia want to stone you for adultery, "it isn't so bad"
sostoned"When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least
three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they
would favor making it the law; in Nigeria, 51% of Muslims favor and 46% oppose it.
In contrast, Muslims in Lebanon, Turkey and Indonesia largely reject the notion that
harsh punishments should be the law in their countries. About three-quarters of Turkish
and Lebanese Muslims oppose the stoning of people who commit adultery (77% and
76%, respectively), as does a narrower majority (55%) of Muslims in Indonesia. "
why did you ignore the several countries which heavily rejected it shown from the exact same paragraph?
oh only 130 million out of the 255 million in indonesia would want want that, such a heavy rejection of the facts, trash you were some pretty good comic relief.
[quote=trash]read up to "Marxist scum", immediately ceased doing so[/quote]
It's my favourite insult becuase it's true, never heard of the "internationalists"s or subversion? also aren't you the usefull idiot who said, that if 55% of a country like indonesia want to stone you for adultery, "it isn't so bad"
[quote=sostoned]"When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least
three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they
would favor making it the law; in Nigeria, 51% of Muslims favor and 46% oppose it.
In contrast, Muslims in Lebanon, Turkey and Indonesia largely reject the notion that
harsh punishments should be the law in their countries. About three-quarters of Turkish
and Lebanese Muslims oppose the stoning of people who commit adultery (77% and
76%, respectively), as does a narrower majority (55%) of Muslims in Indonesia. "
why did you ignore the several countries which heavily rejected it shown from the exact same paragraph?[/quote]
oh only 130 million out of the 255 million in indonesia would want want that, such a heavy rejection of the facts, trash you were some pretty good comic relief.
no, I'm just one of the many people in this thread you turn into convenient strawmen so you can justify continuously getting mad that your tactics that haven't worked before will continue to not work
you're arguing with a fictional being, my man, calm down
no, I'm just one of the many people in this thread you turn into convenient strawmen so you can justify continuously getting mad that your tactics that haven't worked before will continue to not work
you're arguing with a fictional being, my man, calm down
trashno, I'm just one of the many people in this thread you turn into convenient strawmans so you can justify continuously getting mad that your tactics that haven't worked before will continue to not work
you're arguing with a fictional being, my man, calm down
i'm so mad, you're the one who feels it necessary to -frag, why i couldn't even bother, i think it's your ass that's glowing atm tbh.. You basically admitted that you can't argue anymore so you pick on one little detail, just like others before you did. It shows that people nowadays can't read anything anymore, that isn't a one-liner..
[quote=trash]no, I'm just one of the many people in this thread you turn into convenient strawmans so you can justify continuously getting mad that your tactics that haven't worked before will continue to not work
you're arguing with a fictional being, my man, calm down[/quote]
i'm so mad, you're the one who feels it necessary to -frag, why i couldn't even bother, i think it's your ass that's glowing atm tbh.. You basically admitted that you can't argue anymore so you pick on one little detail, just like others before you did. It shows that people nowadays can't read anything anymore, that isn't a one-liner..
sactrashread up to "Marxist scum", immediately ceased doing so
It's my favourite insult becuase it's true, never heard of the "internationalists"s or subversion? also aren't you the usefull idiot who said, that if 55% of a country like indonesia want to stone you for adultery, "it isn't so bad"
sostoned"When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least
three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they
would favor making it the law; in Nigeria, 51% of Muslims favor and 46% oppose it.
In contrast, Muslims in Lebanon, Turkey and Indonesia largely reject the notion that
harsh punishments should be the law in their countries. About three-quarters of Turkish
and Lebanese Muslims oppose the stoning of people who commit adultery (77% and
76%, respectively), as does a narrower majority (55%) of Muslims in Indonesia. "
why did you ignore the several countries which heavily rejected it shown from the exact same paragraph?
oh only 130 million out of the 255 million in indonesia would want want that, such a heavy rejection of the facts, trash you were some pretty good comic relief.
Why would you bother the Indonesians? Let me explain. Almost half of the Indonesians Muslims are somewhat of a Fundamentalists Muslims, they are those who might took the verses on the Quran too literal, and these guys cause some havoc here and there sometimes. This is why according to the post only 55% Indonesian Muslims reject. This half are your normal Indonesian Muslims. A quick search might lead you to NU, Muhammadiyah, all that stuff. Alright. I'll stop. And you sac, don't ever talk about Indonesians once again. And dude, not all of Indonesians are Muslims y'know even we are one of the most Muslim populated country. Seriously.
[quote=sac][quote=trash]read up to "Marxist scum", immediately ceased doing so[/quote]
It's my favourite insult becuase it's true, never heard of the "internationalists"s or subversion? also aren't you the usefull idiot who said, that if 55% of a country like indonesia want to stone you for adultery, "it isn't so bad"
[quote=sostoned]"When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least
three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they
would favor making it the law; in Nigeria, 51% of Muslims favor and 46% oppose it.
In contrast, Muslims in Lebanon, Turkey and Indonesia largely reject the notion that
harsh punishments should be the law in their countries. About three-quarters of Turkish
and Lebanese Muslims oppose the stoning of people who commit adultery (77% and
76%, respectively), as does a narrower majority (55%) of Muslims in Indonesia. "
why did you ignore the several countries which heavily rejected it shown from the exact same paragraph?[/quote]
oh only 130 million out of the 255 million in indonesia would want want that, such a heavy rejection of the facts, trash you were some pretty good comic relief.[/quote]
Why would you bother the Indonesians? Let me explain. Almost half of the Indonesians Muslims are somewhat of a Fundamentalists Muslims, they are those who might took the verses on the Quran too literal, and these guys cause some havoc here and there sometimes. This is why according to the post only 55% Indonesian Muslims reject. This half are your normal Indonesian Muslims. A quick search might lead you to NU, Muhammadiyah, all that stuff. Alright. I'll stop. And you sac, don't ever talk about Indonesians once again. And dude, not all of Indonesians are Muslims y'know even we are one of the most Muslim populated country. Seriously.
Concordiasactrashread up to "Marxist scum", immediately ceased doing so
It's my favourite insult becuase it's true, never heard of the "internationalists"s or subversion? also aren't you the usefull idiot who said, that if 55% of a country like indonesia want to stone you for adultery, "it isn't so bad"
sostoned"When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least
three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they
would favor making it the law; in Nigeria, 51% of Muslims favor and 46% oppose it.
In contrast, Muslims in Lebanon, Turkey and Indonesia largely reject the notion that
harsh punishments should be the law in their countries. About three-quarters of Turkish
and Lebanese Muslims oppose the stoning of people who commit adultery (77% and
76%, respectively), as does a narrower majority (55%) of Muslims in Indonesia. "
why did you ignore the several countries which heavily rejected it shown from the exact same paragraph?
oh only 130 million out of the 255 million in indonesia would want want that, such a heavy rejection of the facts, trash you were some pretty good comic relief.
Why would you bother the Indonesians? Let me explain. Almost half of the Indonesians Muslims are somewhat of a Fundamentalists Muslims, they are those who might took the verses on the Quran too literal, and these guys cause some havoc here and there sometimes. This is why according to the post only have 55%. The other half are your normal Indonesian Muslims. A quick search might lead you to NU, Muhammadiyah, all that stuff. Alright. I'll stop. And you sac, don't ever talk about Indonesians once again. And dude, not all of Indonesians are Muslims y'know even we are one of the most Muslim populated country. Seriously.
He's not criticizing the non-fundamentalist muslims in Indonesia. He's talking about the 100 million or so Indonesian muslims who advocate the punishment of stoning. You can't just dismiss the danger that people like this can represent just because the narrow majority of muslims in Indonesia don't share their world view.
[quote=Concordia][quote=sac][quote=trash]read up to "Marxist scum", immediately ceased doing so[/quote]
It's my favourite insult becuase it's true, never heard of the "internationalists"s or subversion? also aren't you the usefull idiot who said, that if 55% of a country like indonesia want to stone you for adultery, "it isn't so bad"
[quote=sostoned]"When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least
three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they
would favor making it the law; in Nigeria, 51% of Muslims favor and 46% oppose it.
In contrast, Muslims in Lebanon, Turkey and Indonesia largely reject the notion that
harsh punishments should be the law in their countries. About three-quarters of Turkish
and Lebanese Muslims oppose the stoning of people who commit adultery (77% and
76%, respectively), as does a narrower majority (55%) of Muslims in Indonesia. "
why did you ignore the several countries which heavily rejected it shown from the exact same paragraph?[/quote]
oh only 130 million out of the 255 million in indonesia would want want that, such a heavy rejection of the facts, trash you were some pretty good comic relief.[/quote]
Why would you bother the Indonesians? Let me explain. Almost half of the Indonesians Muslims are somewhat of a Fundamentalists Muslims, they are those who might took the verses on the Quran too literal, and these guys cause some havoc here and there sometimes. This is why according to the post only have 55%. The other half are your normal Indonesian Muslims. A quick search might lead you to NU, Muhammadiyah, all that stuff. Alright. I'll stop. And you sac, don't ever talk about Indonesians once again. And dude, not all of Indonesians are Muslims y'know even we are one of the most Muslim populated country. Seriously.[/quote]
He's not criticizing the non-fundamentalist muslims in Indonesia. He's talking about the 100 million or so Indonesian muslims who advocate the punishment of stoning. You can't just dismiss the danger that people like this can represent just because the narrow majority of muslims in Indonesia don't share their world view.
[img]https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12249721_1019586324753275_3967952235046532891_n.png?oh=4dcd7f49a88bf442ae7a28ecd0edf82b&oe=56B0A026[/img]
yewlConcordiasactrashread up to "Marxist scum", immediately ceased doing so
It's my favourite insult becuase it's true, never heard of the "internationalists"s or subversion? also aren't you the usefull idiot who said, that if 55% of a country like indonesia want to stone you for adultery, "it isn't so bad"
sostoned"When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least
three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they
would favor making it the law; in Nigeria, 51% of Muslims favor and 46% oppose it.
In contrast, Muslims in Lebanon, Turkey and Indonesia largely reject the notion that
harsh punishments should be the law in their countries. About three-quarters of Turkish
and Lebanese Muslims oppose the stoning of people who commit adultery (77% and
76%, respectively), as does a narrower majority (55%) of Muslims in Indonesia. "
why did you ignore the several countries which heavily rejected it shown from the exact same paragraph?
oh only 130 million out of the 255 million in indonesia would want want that, such a heavy rejection of the facts, trash you were some pretty good comic relief.
Why would you bother the Indonesians? Let me explain. Almost half of the Indonesians Muslims are somewhat of a Fundamentalists Muslims, they are those who might took the verses on the Quran too literal, and these guys cause some havoc here and there sometimes. This is why according to the post only have 55%. The other half are your normal Indonesian Muslims. A quick search might lead you to NU, Muhammadiyah, all that stuff. Alright. I'll stop. And you sac, don't ever talk about Indonesians once again. And dude, not all of Indonesians are Muslims y'know even we are one of the most Muslim populated country. Seriously.
He's not criticizing the non-fundamentalist muslims in Indonesia. He's talking about the 100 million or so Indonesian muslims who advocate the punishment of stoning. You can't just dismiss the danger that people like this can represent just because the narrow majority of muslims in Indonesia don't share their world view.
Well, I forgot to explain that huh. The fundamentalists muslims in Indonesia is actually one who usually creates the chaos all the time. Like seriously, these guys almost as dangerous. But yeah, if you ever come to Indonesia and meet these guys, stay away from them. I'll be in my quarters.
[quote=yewl][quote=Concordia][quote=sac][quote=trash]read up to "Marxist scum", immediately ceased doing so[/quote]
It's my favourite insult becuase it's true, never heard of the "internationalists"s or subversion? also aren't you the usefull idiot who said, that if 55% of a country like indonesia want to stone you for adultery, "it isn't so bad"
[quote=sostoned]"When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least
three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they
would favor making it the law; in Nigeria, 51% of Muslims favor and 46% oppose it.
In contrast, Muslims in Lebanon, Turkey and Indonesia largely reject the notion that
harsh punishments should be the law in their countries. About three-quarters of Turkish
and Lebanese Muslims oppose the stoning of people who commit adultery (77% and
76%, respectively), as does a narrower majority (55%) of Muslims in Indonesia. "
why did you ignore the several countries which heavily rejected it shown from the exact same paragraph?[/quote]
oh only 130 million out of the 255 million in indonesia would want want that, such a heavy rejection of the facts, trash you were some pretty good comic relief.[/quote]
Why would you bother the Indonesians? Let me explain. Almost half of the Indonesians Muslims are somewhat of a Fundamentalists Muslims, they are those who might took the verses on the Quran too literal, and these guys cause some havoc here and there sometimes. This is why according to the post only have 55%. The other half are your normal Indonesian Muslims. A quick search might lead you to NU, Muhammadiyah, all that stuff. Alright. I'll stop. And you sac, don't ever talk about Indonesians once again. And dude, not all of Indonesians are Muslims y'know even we are one of the most Muslim populated country. Seriously.[/quote]
He's not criticizing the non-fundamentalist muslims in Indonesia. He's talking about the 100 million or so Indonesian muslims who advocate the punishment of stoning. You can't just dismiss the danger that people like this can represent just because the narrow majority of muslims in Indonesia don't share their world view.[/quote]
Well, I forgot to explain that huh. The fundamentalists muslims in Indonesia is actually one who usually creates the chaos all the time. Like seriously, these guys almost as dangerous. But yeah, if you ever come to Indonesia and meet these guys, stay away from them. I'll be in my quarters.
Molenbeek, a part of Brussels, the municipality in my country known for it's lax and "tolerant" attitude towards rape, harassment of women or gay people, violence against jews etc by Muslims is now branded the "Jihad capital of Europe" by the international press.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the-belgian-neighborhood-indelibly-linked-to-jihad/2015/11/15/02bba49c-8b39-11e5-bd91-d385b244482f_story.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/15/europe/paris-attacks-belgium-molenbeek/
We've been saying for years the place is a mess and should be controlled, but any criticism towards their policies backed by statistics is xenophobic of course. Criticizing the amount of normal muslim people being radicalized by twats is racism, don't you know this?
Guess now we know why: One of the people detained while looking the terrorists worked for the socialist's party cabinet of foreign affairs there.
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/35524/Aanslagen-Parijs/article/detail/2525615/2015/11/16/Mohamed-Abdeslam-werkte-op-dienst-vreemdelingenzaken-Molenbeek.dhtml
Such tolerant people, but remember folks this all happens because we're such racists - the same party :^)
Molenbeek, a part of Brussels, the municipality in my country known for it's lax and "tolerant" attitude towards rape, harassment of women or gay people, violence against jews etc by Muslims is now branded the "Jihad capital of Europe" by the international press.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the-belgian-neighborhood-indelibly-linked-to-jihad/2015/11/15/02bba49c-8b39-11e5-bd91-d385b244482f_story.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/15/europe/paris-attacks-belgium-molenbeek/
We've been saying for years the place is a mess and should be controlled, but any criticism towards their policies backed by statistics is xenophobic of course. Criticizing the amount of normal muslim people being radicalized by twats is racism, don't you know this?
Guess now we know why: One of the people detained while looking the terrorists worked for the socialist's party cabinet of foreign affairs there.
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/35524/Aanslagen-Parijs/article/detail/2525615/2015/11/16/Mohamed-Abdeslam-werkte-op-dienst-vreemdelingenzaken-Molenbeek.dhtml
Such tolerant people, but remember folks this all happens because we're such racists - the same party :^)
yeah, it's not a secret that socialist party's all over europe help import these problems, becuase they needed block of reliable voters for their agenda. did you see the excuse of the former PS mayor who ruled over Molenbeek for 20 years? Hey blames the MR who have been in rule since three years, and is like "not like this happened under me". It's revolting.
yeah, it's not a secret that socialist party's all over europe help import these problems, becuase they needed block of reliable voters for their agenda. did you see the excuse of the former PS mayor who ruled over Molenbeek for 20 years? Hey blames the MR who have been in rule since three years, and is like "not like this happened under me". It's revolting.
Nice article, except that after he was questioned it says that they don't think he had anything to do with it (he was only a typist after all, not someone in control, and he was arrested at his apartment in Molenbeek, was not a terrorist) and he was released today. I guess you try to abuse the fact that nobody can read it, maybe translate the title and trust you on your word.
Nice article, except that after he was questioned it says that they don't think he had anything to do with it (he was only a typist after all, not someone in control, and he was arrested at his apartment in Molenbeek, was not a terrorist) and he was released today. I guess you try to abuse the fact that nobody can read it, maybe translate the title and trust you on your word.
sacyeah, it's not a secret that socialist party's all over europe help import these problems, becuase they needed block of reliable voters for their agenda. did you see the excuse of the former PS mayor who ruled over Molenbeek for 20 years? Hey blames the MR who have been in rule since three years, and is like "not like this happened under me". It's revolting.
Exactly. He allows everything to turn to shit for over 2 decades and then blames the next major, who isn't a socialist, who has been in power for less than what, 3 years? What an absolute fucking retard, I could dig up articles from 2009-2010-2011 too to prove that this started way earlier than 3 years ago.
[quote=sac]yeah, it's not a secret that socialist party's all over europe help import these problems, becuase they needed block of reliable voters for their agenda. did you see the excuse of the former PS mayor who ruled over Molenbeek for 20 years? Hey blames the MR who have been in rule since three years, and is like "not like this happened under me". It's revolting.[/quote]
Exactly. He allows everything to turn to shit for over 2 decades and then blames the next major, who isn't a socialist, who has been in power for less than what, 3 years? What an absolute fucking retard, I could dig up articles from 2009-2010-2011 too to prove that this started way earlier than 3 years ago.
SchweppesMolenbeek
I slept there few nights. Didn't seem so bad, of course there were many Western Unions and hair saloons, but nobody wanted anything from me. Even more some guys offered to sell me weed.
[quote=Schweppes]Molenbeek[/quote]
I slept there few nights. Didn't seem so bad, of course there were many Western Unions and hair saloons, but nobody wanted anything from me. Even more some guys offered to sell me weed.
BonafideNice article, except that after he was questioned it says that they don't think he had anything to do with it (he was only a typist after all, not someone in control, and he was arrested at his apartment in Molenbeek, was not a terrorist) and he was released today. I guess you try to abuse the fact that nobody can read it, maybe translate the title and trust you on your word.
The brother of the most wanted terrorist right now in Europe worked at regularization for years and the police "are not fully sure". He worked for the guy responsible for not preventing radicalization even though we've known for years it wouldn't lead to anything good. Why did the police "randomly detain" him out of all people then if he had absolutely nothing to do with it? Out of the thousands of muslims in Molenbeek I just think it's hilarious one of the first one they detain works for the guy that, in my eyes, is partially responsible for this. I don't for one second believe his brother who worked for the city's government on foreign affairs, didn't know his own brother was radicalized.
[quote=Bonafide]Nice article, except that after he was questioned it says that they don't think he had anything to do with it (he was only a typist after all, not someone in control, and he was arrested at his apartment in Molenbeek, was not a terrorist) and he was released today. I guess you try to abuse the fact that nobody can read it, maybe translate the title and trust you on your word.[/quote]
The brother of the most wanted terrorist right now in Europe worked at [i]regularization[/i] for years and the police "are not fully sure". He worked for the guy responsible for not preventing radicalization even though we've known for years it wouldn't lead to anything good. Why did the police "randomly detain" him out of all people then if he had absolutely nothing to do with it? Out of the thousands of muslims in Molenbeek I just think it's hilarious one of the first one they detain works for the guy that, in my eyes, is partially responsible for this. I don't for one second believe his brother who worked for the city's government on foreign affairs, didn't know his own brother was radicalized.
BonafideNice article, except that after he was questioned it says that they don't think he had anything to do with it (he was only a typist after all, not someone in control, and he was arrested at his apartment in Molenbeek, was not a terrorist) and he was released today. I guess you try to abuse the fact that nobody can read it, maybe translate the title and trust you on your word.
I quoted a similar article and provided translation , but i guess you're too intellectually dishonest vs schweppes you have to throw that allegation.
[quote=Bonafide]Nice article, except that after he was questioned it says that they don't think he had anything to do with it (he was only a typist after all, not someone in control, and he was arrested at his apartment in Molenbeek, was not a terrorist) and he was released today. I guess you try to abuse the fact that nobody can read it, maybe translate the title and trust you on your word.[/quote]
I quoted a similar article and provided translation , but i guess you're too intellectually dishonest vs schweppes you have to throw that allegation.
SchweppesBonafideNice article, except that after he was questioned it says that they don't think he had anything to do with it (he was only a typist after all, not someone in control, and he was arrested at his apartment in Molenbeek, was not a terrorist) and he was released today. I guess you try to abuse the fact that nobody can read it, maybe translate the title and trust you on your word.
The brother of the most wanted terrorist right now in Europe worked at regularization for years and the police "are not fully sure". He worked for the guy responsible for not preventing radicalization even though we've known for years it wouldn't lead to anything good. Why did the police "randomly detain" him out of all people then if he had absolutely nothing to do with it? Out of the thousands of muslims in Molenbeek I just think it's hilarious one of the first one they detain works for the guy that, in my eyes, is partially responsible for this. I don't for one second believe his brother who worked for the city's government on foreign affairs, didn't know his own brother was radicalized.
It VERY clearly says they do not suspect him. Also most people who commit mass shootings, their families never saw it coming as well, how do you know how good his relationship with his brother was? I am not saying he didn't have anything to do with it, but slandering his name because someone in his family committed this awful crime is just fucking ridiculous.
[quote=Schweppes][quote=Bonafide]Nice article, except that after he was questioned it says that they don't think he had anything to do with it (he was only a typist after all, not someone in control, and he was arrested at his apartment in Molenbeek, was not a terrorist) and he was released today. I guess you try to abuse the fact that nobody can read it, maybe translate the title and trust you on your word.[/quote]
The brother of the most wanted terrorist right now in Europe worked at [i]regularization[/i] for years and the police "are not fully sure". He worked for the guy responsible for not preventing radicalization even though we've known for years it wouldn't lead to anything good. Why did the police "randomly detain" him out of all people then if he had absolutely nothing to do with it? Out of the thousands of muslims in Molenbeek I just think it's hilarious one of the first one they detain works for the guy that, in my eyes, is partially responsible for this. I don't for one second believe his brother who worked for the city's government on foreign affairs, didn't know his own brother was radicalized.[/quote]
It VERY clearly says they do not suspect him. Also most people who commit mass shootings, their families never saw it coming as well, how do you know how good his relationship with his brother was? I am not saying he didn't have anything to do with it, but slandering his name because someone in his family committed this awful crime is just fucking ridiculous.
Nowhere does he state that he had a bad relationship with his brother, they lived in the same city and they had a family apartment - not stated to what extent of the family however. You really think you could go so far in a toxic ideology that makes you kill tons of innocent people because your horseshit interpretation of an ancient book told you so, without your family noticing signs something's up? I don't. Though if something like that's possible anywhere in the world, it's certainly our little metropolis of returning people who fought in Syria.
Nowhere does he state that he had a bad relationship with his brother, they lived in the same city and they had a family apartment - not stated to what extent of the family however. You really think you could go so far in a toxic ideology that makes you kill tons of innocent people because your horseshit interpretation of an ancient book told you so, without your family noticing signs something's up? I don't. Though if something like that's possible anywhere in the world, it's certainly our little metropolis of returning people who fought in Syria.
They didn't have a family apartment, he was arrested in his family's apartment, since he was a grown man with a job he very likely has his own house. And yes, people tend to hide insane things from their family to protect any info about the attack leaking out, this is not the first time in history that happened. I do agree that the people who fought in Syria shouldn't just be allowed in the country.
They didn't have a family apartment, he was arrested in his family's apartment, since he was a grown man with a job he very likely has his own house. And yes, people tend to hide insane things from their family to protect any info about the attack leaking out, this is not the first time in history that happened. I do agree that the people who fought in Syria shouldn't just be allowed in the country.