HRG homicide

#1

Rick

26 Frags – +

Killing decided to kill our IM team due to the hijack rule..

Killing in the Name #esea: hey
HRG hertz: yo
Killing in the Name #esea: your team is going to be marked dead
HRG hertz: wat
HRG hertz: how come?
Killing in the Name #esea: roster hijack rule
HRG hertz: we played the matches with our players
HRG hertz: for the first 3/4
Killing in the Name #esea: http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=2935167
HRG hertz: ya thats the 4th game
HRG hertz: we played the first 3
HRG hertz: and the first 1 was a ffw
Killing in the Name #esea: http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=2908368
HRG hertz: i thought we used thorn in that match wtf
Killing in the Name #esea: sorry man :(
HRG hertz: dude we played them every other match and even trekkie played
Killing in the Name #esea: hands are tied
Killing in the Name #esea: I would let it slide
Killing in the Name #esea: but I can't
HRG hertz: are u serious dude we spent all our money on fucking backups and making sure we had 6 players
HRG hertz: and now were getting kicked out
HRG hertz: thorn was on a vacation before he started school
Killing in the Name #esea: yeah
HRG hertz: there would have been no other way to get an original player from roster
HRG hertz: technosex doesnt have a pc
HRG hertz: i cant believe u cant let this slide man
Killing in the Name #esea: osrry

Killing in the Name #esea: hands are tied
Killing in the Name #esea: I would let it slide
Killing in the Name #esea: but I can't

Before the season even began I asked killing and kalkin if i could move the HRG roster from invite to IM, to avoid this dumb situation but they would not let me even though the only invite player was me, and i wasn't going to blatantly stack a team, but play with people who wanted to improve, and we are currently 3-2

We played the matches with the original people we could get to play, our first match was a ffw so that doesn't count towards the rule, and the second match thorn had lost internet but luckily techdude was able to play for us. so we played 2/4 first matches with 2 original players and 2/4 matches with 1 original players.. clearly we were not trying to evade this rule.

Trekkie was unable to play this week due to work and school, so we played luccious and thorn, thorn of which is one of the original players.

there was no way we could have fielded 2 of the original players because technosex did not have a computer and all the other original members were on other rosters

We spent all this money on esea premium, league fees, and league fees for the players we had to use just for the rule, and all to just play this season as a team and we can't

This is bullshit and I am pretty fucking mad that this is gonna happen to my team, we all wanted to play out the season, and be able to compete in playoffs. This being a first esea season for a few members with a stable team, the fact we will be unable to play is just shitty

end rant

Killing decided to kill our IM team due to the hijack rule..

Killing in the Name #esea: hey
HRG hertz: yo
Killing in the Name #esea: your team is going to be marked dead
HRG hertz: wat
HRG hertz: how come?
Killing in the Name #esea: roster hijack rule
HRG hertz: we played the matches with our players
HRG hertz: for the first 3/4
Killing in the Name #esea: http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=2935167
HRG hertz: ya thats the 4th game
HRG hertz: we played the first 3
HRG hertz: and the first 1 was a ffw
Killing in the Name #esea: http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=2908368
HRG hertz: i thought we used thorn in that match wtf
Killing in the Name #esea: sorry man :(
HRG hertz: dude we played them every other match and even trekkie played
Killing in the Name #esea: hands are tied
Killing in the Name #esea: I would let it slide
Killing in the Name #esea: but I can't
HRG hertz: are u serious dude we spent all our money on fucking backups and making sure we had 6 players
HRG hertz: and now were getting kicked out
HRG hertz: thorn was on a vacation before he started school
Killing in the Name #esea: yeah
HRG hertz: there would have been no other way to get an original player from roster
HRG hertz: technosex doesnt have a pc
HRG hertz: i cant believe u cant let this slide man
Killing in the Name #esea: osrry

Killing in the Name #esea: hands are tied
Killing in the Name #esea: I would let it slide
Killing in the Name #esea: but I can't

Before the season even began I asked killing and kalkin if i could move the HRG roster from invite to IM, to avoid this dumb situation but they would not let me even though the only invite player was me, and i wasn't going to blatantly stack a team, but play with people who wanted to improve, and we are currently 3-2

We played the matches with the original people we could get to play, our first match was a ffw so that doesn't count towards the rule, and the second match thorn had lost internet but luckily techdude was able to play for us. so we played 2/4 first matches with 2 original players and 2/4 matches with 1 original players.. clearly we were not trying to evade this rule.

Trekkie was unable to play this week due to work and school, so we played luccious and thorn, thorn of which is one of the original players.

there was no way we could have fielded 2 of the original players because technosex did not have a computer and all the other original members were on other rosters

We spent all this money on esea premium, league fees, and league fees for the players we had to use just for the rule, and all to just play this season as a team and we can't

This is bullshit and I am pretty fucking mad that this is gonna happen to my team, we all wanted to play out the season, and be able to compete in playoffs. This being a first esea season for a few members with a stable team, the fact we will be unable to play is just shitty

end rant

#2

Fox

4 Frags – +

esea should make this an exception and let them play
is anyone going to argue that HRG shouldn't be in IM

#3

harbleu

7 Frags – +

i dont understand why they weren't just allowed to move down the invite roster to avoid this stupid rule. i've seen plenty of invite teams moved down to main in cs so why couldnt they do it with a tf2 team?

#4

PUFF

14 Frags – +

HIS HANDS ARE TIED

lol o come on

LET THEM PLAY! LET THEM PLAY! LET THEM PLAY! LET THEM PLAY!

HIS HANDS ARE TIED

lol o come on

LET THEM PLAY! LET THEM PLAY! LET THEM PLAY! LET THEM PLAY!

#5

Fog

10 Frags – +

#freeHRG

#6

kawa

-3 Frags – +

a

#7

Pheesh

-4 Frags – +

This is what happens when you give a douchebag even an ounce of power

#8

djc

8 Frags – +

while it's pretty shitty that this is happening, in past seasons the teams are automatically marked as dead by the system and killing quite literally can't undo it

unless they changed something there is probably a 0% chance that killing can change it

while it's pretty shitty that this is happening, in past seasons the teams are automatically marked as dead by the system and killing quite literally can't undo it

unless they changed something there is probably a 0% chance that killing can change it

#9

grillz

-1 Frags – +

djcwhile it's pretty shitty that this is happening, in past seasons the teams are automatically marked as dead by the system and killing quite literally can't undo it

unless they changed something there is probably a 0% chance that killing can change it

this is how I understand it as well. Same thing has happened before.

[quote=djc]while it's pretty shitty that this is happening, in past seasons the teams are automatically marked as dead by the system and killing quite literally can't undo it

unless they changed something there is probably a 0% chance that killing can change it[/quote]

this is how I understand it as well. Same thing has happened before.

#10

d_b

-1 Frags – +

retarded

#11

xsephy

11 Frags – +

I don't understand why people are mad at killing...this is an automated process and he has no say in it.

People should be mad at ESEA. Clearly the spirit of the rule is that they want teams to stick together, yet many of the people on this team have been together for seasons. The reason to have admins is to differentiate the breaking of the letter of the rule and the intent, yet ESEA doesn't give its admins any power in this situation.

Unfortunately it would have been better to take FFLs instead of playing with backups, depriving themselves and other teams the games they paid for, just to comply with this rule. Of course, the irony in all this is that a rule that was meant to keep teams together is going to either break one apart, or the team will hijack the roster of a dead team that already met the 3 game requirement.

Better luck next season guys, I know how you feel. =(

I don't understand why people are mad at killing...this is an automated process and he has no say in it.

People should be mad at ESEA. Clearly the spirit of the rule is that they want teams to stick together, yet many of the people on this team have been together for seasons. The reason to have admins is to differentiate the breaking of the letter of the rule and the intent, yet ESEA doesn't give its admins any power in this situation.

Unfortunately it would have been better to take FFLs instead of playing with backups, depriving themselves and other teams the games they paid for, just to comply with this rule. Of course, the irony in all this is that a rule that was meant to keep teams together is going to either break one apart, or the team will hijack the roster of a dead team that already met the 3 game requirement.

Better luck next season guys, I know how you feel. =(

#12

nge

5 Frags – +

That's really shitty, unfair, and unfortunate. HRG is a great team and I really hope you guys stick it out until next season, hopefully you all won't have such unlucky circumstance next time around.

#13

lucrative

4 Frags – +

http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=forums&d=topic&id=438207

#14

weeble

-2 Frags – +

if it were automated then why does he say, your team is going to be marked dead, 4 matches later.

gg killing

if it were automated then why does he say, your team is going to be marked dead, 4 matches later.

gg killing

#15

Superfuzz

0 Frags – +

Why did Technosex quit the internet?

I liked his videos (at least, the music in his videos).

Why did Technosex quit the internet?

I liked his videos (at least, the music in his videos).

#16

shrt

7 Frags – +

Fuck this god damn league.

#17

powah

6 Frags – +

djc and cbear joins the roster
team dies
GOOD FUCKING JOB GUYS
jk, its really gay whats happening to you guys, but i dont think you should be mad at Killing

#18

lucrative

10 Frags – +

esea admins deleted my post and locked my thread on the esea forums.

guess thats how much esea cares.

esea admins deleted my post and locked my thread on the esea forums.

guess thats how much esea cares.

#19

eli

0 Frags – +

this is absurd

#20

eXtine

eXtelevision

-10 Frags – +

THE RULES ARE THE RULES

#21

thorn_

5 Frags – +

#20 The rule is absurd for several reasons.

#1 - We had everyone on for a match that would fulfill the 3/4 rule, but the team forfeited. If everyone is on at the time of the match and they forfeit, it should count as a match played.

#2. - If we would have forfeited our last match and the following match, we could have still played the season out. Forfeiting a match where we had 6 could have saved our season? Why is that fair at all?

#20 The rule is absurd for several reasons.

#1 - We had everyone on for a match that would fulfill the 3/4 rule, but the team forfeited. If everyone is on at the time of the match and they forfeit, it should count as a match played.

#2. - If we would have forfeited our last match and the following match, we could have still played the season out. Forfeiting a match where we had 6 could have saved our season? Why is that fair at all?

#22

shitonmychest

9 Frags – +

The rules are the rules but this shouldn't have even been an issue if the team was moved down from invite to IM like rick asked. Why the hell didn't Killing allow this? The team had 1 invite player and that invite player was off-classing. The team is 3-2 in IM which is too good for open and too shitty for invite, its the right place for the team. Why teams continually have to jump through hoops to avoid crushing open is beyond me.

#23

clorg

3 Frags – +

Where can I read the rule at? Also, this guy....

venomKZYou have submitted a ticket no need to take it public. Thanks

Where can I read the rule at? Also, this guy....

[quote=venomKZ]
You have submitted a ticket no need to take it public. Thanks

[/quote]

#24

lucrative

0 Frags – +

In response to my ticket (i didn't think this would get very far)

venomKZ + -
Sorry but unfortunately we do not make exceptions to the "Team Eligibility, Promotions & Demotions" which clearly states:

"For divisions above Open, excluding Invite, for a team's spot to be maintained once the regular season begins, a team must use 2 players per match who participated during the prior season (through playing a match) in 3 out of the first 4 matches played (i.e. not including forfeits) of the season."

As for being refunded premium and league fee's we do not
issue any type of refund after the registration period is over.

http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=content...

In response to my ticket (i didn't think this would get very far)

[quote] venomKZ + -
Sorry but unfortunately we do not make exceptions to the "Team Eligibility, Promotions & Demotions" which clearly states:

"For divisions above Open, excluding Invite, for a team's spot to be maintained once the regular season begins, a team must use 2 players per match who participated during the prior season (through playing a match) in 3 out of the first 4 matches played (i.e. not including forfeits) of the season."

As for being refunded premium and league fee's we do not
issue any type of refund after the registration period is over.

http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=content...[/quote]

#25

defiance

0 Frags – +

:(

#26

Lights_

0 Frags – +

just steal a dead open teams roster and prove to ESEA that the rule is fucking dumb

#27

defiance

0 Frags – +

weebleif it were automated then why does he say, your team is going to be marked dead, 4 matches later.

gg killing

What? It doesn't mark you dead right away....i hope you understand that. After a certain number of matches it does.

[quote=weeble]if it were automated then why does he say, your team is going to be marked dead, 4 matches later.

gg killing[/quote]
What? It doesn't mark you dead right away....i hope you understand that. After a certain number of matches it does.

#28

jakeee

1 Frags – +

this sounds familiar lol

#29

defy

2 Frags – +

Funny how esea takes your money no problem but if you have a situation at the beginning of the season such as this they still bend you over backwards. Customer support at its finest! some things never change

#30

yungsally

-5 Frags – +

Lights_just steal a dead open teams roster and prove to ESEA that the rule is fucking dumb

this

[quote=Lights_]just steal a dead open teams roster and prove to ESEA that the rule is fucking dumb[/quote]
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