smash draft finals and salty suite at 6am, should be worth

Stream schedule organized real nice-like http://imgur.com/a/GUh0X

Can't wait for Abate vs S2J rematch tonight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dMKnBDaskM

Also lol, PPMD got an invisible ceiling glitch on Abate but actually killed him, and he tweeted like 30 seconds later on camera https://twitter.com/EG_PPMD/status/688157020663320577

damn i totally forgot about this i guess ill be watching the vods for the draft crews

can someone link the google doc of all the tftv melee players, just spent like 10 minutes googling trying to find it. watching genesis makes me wanna play again

Also PM here if u wanna netplay

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1khAzu94aBtOJk01k34s_50RnzSH-Gp0nfj9_jmpzWSE/edit#gid=0

by the way you people messing with it realize that drive saves all the revisions (looking at u billdozer)

for those who dont know the first two genesis tournaments were just about the biggest tournaments of their time, and genesis 3 is now the second largest melee tournament of all time (1828 entrants) behind evo 2015 (1869 entrants)

Anyone here make a fantasy team? I saw cloudmaker recreated mihaly's flow

https://smash.gg/tournament/genesis-3/fantasy/roster/613eb905

Salty Suite starting soon http://www.twitch.tv/showdownsmash
Today has been insane

http://www.twitch.tv/showdownsmash2

1) why does everyone hate nintendude
2) how can they continue to hate him on the basis that he's still managing to do well in the worst matchup of all the top tiers

because hes a wobbler

u probably deserve to get wobbled if u manage to get grabbed

edit: if u manage to get grabbed in peach vs ics

ok wobbling is dumb but that doesnt justify wishing death upon someone

ban shine spiking!
ban air wobbling!
ban sheik tech chasing!!!!!!

same thing lol

M2K picked peach, on dreamland, against ice climbers, which is the easiest top tiered matchup you can have in melee, and he still fucked it up

I am trying to think of a TF2 comparison, and the best I can think of is if someone got pissy at a n invite soldier for having better DPM than the scouts on viaduct, but even that only barely covers half of how ignorant ppl are here

ics r a joke

this is like an invite soldier 1v1ing a spy while he has height advantage and people complaining because he fell down and walked into a trickstab

live 10mins away but didnt go

those kadano controllers are legit too ez for shield drops. mango was looking clean af with them.

people who support wobbling have never been wobbled in tournament before.

literally stream monsters from a different game

I've managed to not get wobbled but that's because I know how to not get grabbed

it's not THAT hard, at least as doc

all the ics I've played aren't that good though

no, ppl who support wobbling actually know how melee works

ICs are barely top tier, they're one of the most fragile characters in the game and they only ever get results on a rare basis

TF2 is an outlier in how it handles bans, every other genre (ESPECIALLY fighting games) does not give a single shit in the world if you don't like something, until it becomes ST akuma it's staying

and there you go

you honestly have no idea what you're talking about

literally there has never been a time where high level ic players are not threats at nationals, at any stage of the games history. its almost a staple of crew battles to include as many ic players on your team (see the genesis 2 ec v wc crew battle)

so all the ics I've played aren't good and that's why my opinion on wobbling is disregarded but wobbling is something so stupid op and easy to learn that it should be banned

"literally there has never been a time where high level ic players are not threats at nationals"

there's four of them. four "threats", compared to about the twenty or so fox threats. most of them don't even use wobbling heavily, because functionally chaingrabs and handovers accomplish the same thing. wobbles would get the exact same kind of results in wobbling banned tourneys and wobbling allowed tourneys, because he was still getting kills off of grabs. so would nintendude, since he would still place high at TBH when it had it banned.

fox gets free gimps off of a single shine. marth chaingrabs fast fallers to death. zero-to-deaths off of one read is not special, you're just not a good player

yes

hbox is the lone puff main who places well, so puff is mid tier now?

your bit about ic cg's proves my point further

this is where i realize you don't even play the game, please stop - you literally have not played before if you think marth shiek and spacies follow ups are guaranteed the same way wobbling is

"your bit about ic cg's proves my point further"

...by pointing out how meaningless it is, and thus in the FG mindset, how it's not going to be banned?

I don't think you've thought your argument through very well

but the arguments against wobbling are that it's op and easy to do

so even if the ics I play are bad I should still get wobbled if its so guaranteed

but I didn't

because wobbling is not broken

it's dumb and I hate it but banning it because it's "broken" is equally as dumb

how is getting instant killed by one grab not broken
wobbling is broken but it's literally the only reason why ics are ok at a high level so i'm ok with it being allowed

again, different mindsets. there's a lot of really intolerable matchups in melee, but you're not going to make friends by saying peach should be banned

the argument against wobbling is that all other infinites in the game are worked around in some way, aside from the transformations on pokemon (which some people want banned, but thats an entirely different conversation in itself) - a majority of other stages that you can exploit infinites on are banned for obvious reasons. the followup is that ice climbers can still be viable without them via cg's, removing the character diversity bullshit bit or whatever, niggas are still gonna play ics

like i said, you literally said that in tournaments where wobbling was banned ic players have pretty similar results, and some ic players dont even wobble, literally stating that ic's are still viable without the infinite, removing that part of the argument entirely

again u dont play melee so theres no point in really saying anything at this point, but reading di and techs in pretty much every punish game of every top tier character in melee is vastly different than wobbling, which is something anyone who plays will know

...but my argument was that if it doesn't matter, you have to deal with it, because you don't just ban things on the basis that you don't like it.

idk why you're obsessed with it, but for the record: I've been in competitive melee since 2012. my comparison was made because I know that marth's issues in punishing is covered by a better neutral. ICs has poor neutral, beyond the fear of their grab. this is not difficult to understand.

there's a word for people who don't want to adapt, and try to change the ruleset to fit them instead. it's not a very nice one, I hate to break it to you