u guys literally arent going to change anything youre gonna be like lets boycott ugc and end up killing your format
just suck it up and play highlander
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u guys literally arent going to change anything youre gonna be like lets boycott ugc and end up killing your format
just suck it up and play highlander
just suck it up and play highlander
aim-u guys literally arent going to change anything youre gonna be like lets boycott ugc and end up killing your format
just suck it up and play highlander
To be fair, if HL dies for a few years TF2 would probably be better for it.
[quote=aim-]u guys literally arent going to change anything youre gonna be like lets boycott ugc and end up killing your format
just suck it up and play highlander[/quote]
To be fair, if HL dies for a few years TF2 would probably be better for it.
just suck it up and play highlander[/quote]
To be fair, if HL dies for a few years TF2 would probably be better for it.
aim-u guys literally arent going to change anything youre gonna be like lets boycott ugc and end up killing your format
just suck it up and play highlander
You're actually right. NA 6s almost died during ESEA S16 because people wanted to boycott ESEA and switch to CEVO. ESEA had given us a Main division the season before, but (iirc) the bitcoin thing combined with the apparent apathy towards us made people want to switch to CEVO. As a result, we lost Main (which we still haven't gotten back since) and were at risk of losing IM and Invite, if not ESEA as a whole. The community recovering but hasn't completely came back from that (I would say if we get Main again then we've completely recovered). If ESEA dropped TF2, I don't think it would have ever recovered and Overwatch would definitely kill it.
It's not the same situation here, as there's not really another league to play in (there's ETF2L, but that's not the best option). Lots of lower level players will likely not even care or realize that boycotting UGC is essentially the same as killing HL. However, if the majority of the HL playerbase decides to boycott then the death of the format is likely.
[quote=aim-]u guys literally arent going to change anything youre gonna be like lets boycott ugc and end up killing your format
just suck it up and play highlander[/quote]
You're actually right. NA 6s almost died during ESEA S16 because people wanted to boycott ESEA and switch to CEVO. ESEA had given us a Main division the season before, but (iirc) the bitcoin thing combined with the apparent apathy towards us made people want to switch to CEVO. As a result, we lost Main (which we still haven't gotten back since) and were at risk of losing IM and Invite, if not ESEA as a whole. The community recovering but hasn't completely came back from that (I would say if we get Main again then we've completely recovered). If ESEA dropped TF2, I don't think it would have ever recovered and Overwatch would definitely kill it.
It's not the same situation here, as there's not really another league to play in (there's ETF2L, but that's not the best option). Lots of lower level players will likely not even care or realize that boycotting UGC is essentially the same as killing HL. However, if the majority of the HL playerbase decides to boycott then the death of the format is likely.
just suck it up and play highlander[/quote]
You're actually right. NA 6s almost died during ESEA S16 because people wanted to boycott ESEA and switch to CEVO. ESEA had given us a Main division the season before, but (iirc) the bitcoin thing combined with the apparent apathy towards us made people want to switch to CEVO. As a result, we lost Main (which we still haven't gotten back since) and were at risk of losing IM and Invite, if not ESEA as a whole. The community recovering but hasn't completely came back from that (I would say if we get Main again then we've completely recovered). If ESEA dropped TF2, I don't think it would have ever recovered and Overwatch would definitely kill it.
It's not the same situation here, as there's not really another league to play in (there's ETF2L, but that's not the best option). Lots of lower level players will likely not even care or realize that boycotting UGC is essentially the same as killing HL. However, if the majority of the HL playerbase decides to boycott then the death of the format is likely.
If ESEA cared about TF2 I would say now would be a good time to test the waters and start a Highlander League for 1 season. While I agree that 6s is the more skill intensive format, it would be interesting to see how many people would pay to play HL.
If ESEA cared about TF2 I would say now would be a good time to test the waters and start a Highlander League for 1 season. While I agree that 6s is the more skill intensive format, it would be interesting to see how many people would pay to play HL.
If ESEA didn't care about TF2, they wouldn't even have a 6s league.
If ESEA didn't care about TF2, they wouldn't even have a 6s league.
WillmaticIf ESEA cared about TF2 I would say now would be a good time to test the waters and start a Highlander League for 1 season. While I agree that 6s is the more skill intensive format, it would be interesting to see how many people would pay to play HL.
the only reason highlander has such a huge following is that its free...
[quote=Willmatic]If ESEA cared about TF2 I would say now would be a good time to test the waters and start a Highlander League for 1 season. While I agree that 6s is the more skill intensive format, it would be interesting to see how many people would pay to play HL.[/quote]
the only reason highlander has such a huge following is that its free...
the only reason highlander has such a huge following is that its free...
WillmaticIf ESEA cared about TF2 I would say now would be a good time to test the waters and start a Highlander League for 1 season. While I agree that 6s is the more skill intensive format, it would be interesting to see how many people would pay to play HL.
Look at how many teams have unpaid players on esea, and how many people are roster riding. People in a huge division like steel or iron dont want to have at least 9 players(usually even more just because subs and ringers are used) pay up to most likely not win money. It would also make esea lose a lot more money on buying servers that the return investment of hl players wouldn't cover.
[quote=Willmatic]If ESEA cared about TF2 I would say now would be a good time to test the waters and start a Highlander League for 1 season. While I agree that 6s is the more skill intensive format, it would be interesting to see how many people would pay to play HL.[/quote]
Look at how many teams have unpaid players on esea, and how many people are roster riding. People in a huge division like steel or iron dont want to have at least 9 players(usually even more just because subs and ringers are used) pay up to most likely not win money. It would also make esea lose a lot more money on buying servers that the return investment of hl players wouldn't cover.
Look at how many teams have unpaid players on esea, and how many people are roster riding. People in a huge division like steel or iron dont want to have at least 9 players(usually even more just because subs and ringers are used) pay up to most likely not win money. It would also make esea lose a lot more money on buying servers that the return investment of hl players wouldn't cover.
saamHueyLewisBuncha willfully ignorant people posting, go figure.
It's a plan to strengthen the league because the top has been dying out for the last 7 seasons and nobody in gold ever moves up because they're afraid of the few actual good teams on plat.
The thought being that forcing a larger division and Swiss scheduling will mean you'll still play mostly teams at your own level while getting a taste of those much better. Therefore you get decent competition and hopefully learn faster by playing those better teams.
What also might happen is, after a season, some lower level teams will fold but consolidate into better teams, keeping the best players. This is what happened last time the league was in this format.
The only downsides are that you don't get a meaningless gold medal, and plat loses it's round robin format, which was utterly pointless anyway because we played 4 different game-modes (payload, a/d, koth, 5cp) per season so scheduling wasn't ever fair.
Logically the decision makes perfect sense. Realistically though it's not going to help because the only reason the top is dying is because fewer high level 6s players care anymore. If about 20-30 IM+ level players decided to play it'd be the golden age of Highlander. 6s is better though so this is their only move.
I think the pants-on-head retarded decision making of Kumori is a pretty big reason that the league is dying. She's made so many wrong decisions over and over and over again it honestly is starting to feel intentional.
I don't think the league would have ever gotten to a point where this was necessary if someone who had any idea what the fuck they were doing was in charge.
Kumori took over from infinite, it's not like there isn't a proud tradition of stupidity going back years in ugc
I'd prolly have something to say about this, but I'm league and forum banned til november (what convenient timing) so I cannot join the party
[quote=saam][quote=HueyLewis]Buncha willfully ignorant people posting, go figure.
It's a plan to strengthen the league because the top has been dying out for the last 7 seasons and nobody in gold ever moves up because they're afraid of the few actual good teams on plat.
The thought being that forcing a larger division and Swiss scheduling will mean you'll still play mostly teams at your own level while getting a taste of those much better. Therefore you get decent competition and hopefully learn faster by playing those better teams.
What also might happen is, after a season, some lower level teams will fold but consolidate into better teams, keeping the best players. This is what happened last time the league was in this format.
The only downsides are that you don't get a meaningless gold medal, and plat loses it's round robin format, which was utterly pointless anyway because we played 4 different game-modes (payload, a/d, koth, 5cp) per season so scheduling wasn't ever fair.
Logically the decision makes perfect sense. Realistically though it's not going to help because the only reason the top is dying is because fewer high level 6s players care anymore. If about 20-30 IM+ level players decided to play it'd be the golden age of Highlander. 6s is better though so this is their only move.[/quote]
I think the pants-on-head retarded decision making of Kumori is a pretty big reason that the league is dying. She's made so many wrong decisions over and over and over again it honestly is starting to feel intentional.
I don't think the league would have ever gotten to a point where this was necessary if someone who had any idea what the fuck they were doing was in charge.[/quote]
Kumori took over from infinite, it's not like there isn't a proud tradition of stupidity going back years in ugc
I'd prolly have something to say about this, but I'm league and forum banned til november (what convenient timing) so I cannot join the party
It's a plan to strengthen the league because the top has been dying out for the last 7 seasons and nobody in gold ever moves up because they're afraid of the few actual good teams on plat.
The thought being that forcing a larger division and Swiss scheduling will mean you'll still play mostly teams at your own level while getting a taste of those much better. Therefore you get decent competition and hopefully learn faster by playing those better teams.
What also might happen is, after a season, some lower level teams will fold but consolidate into better teams, keeping the best players. This is what happened last time the league was in this format.
The only downsides are that you don't get a meaningless gold medal, and plat loses it's round robin format, which was utterly pointless anyway because we played 4 different game-modes (payload, a/d, koth, 5cp) per season so scheduling wasn't ever fair.
Logically the decision makes perfect sense. Realistically though it's not going to help because the only reason the top is dying is because fewer high level 6s players care anymore. If about 20-30 IM+ level players decided to play it'd be the golden age of Highlander. 6s is better though so this is their only move.[/quote]
I think the pants-on-head retarded decision making of Kumori is a pretty big reason that the league is dying. She's made so many wrong decisions over and over and over again it honestly is starting to feel intentional.
I don't think the league would have ever gotten to a point where this was necessary if someone who had any idea what the fuck they were doing was in charge.[/quote]
Kumori took over from infinite, it's not like there isn't a proud tradition of stupidity going back years in ugc
I'd prolly have something to say about this, but I'm league and forum banned til november (what convenient timing) so I cannot join the party
I still think ppl are severely overestimating how stable UGC would be, even assuming a perfect world of moderation
highlander's main draw has always been that, to newer players, it was as close to the main public server game as possible, and so it was easy to get into. with MM, that draw jumped right off a cliff, and everyone knows that, because now valve 6s is the main game for serious play. why would people try and join an alternate, unsupported format when valve's pushing 6v6 as the future?
you can see it with how many people are trying to get matchmaking passes (currently at ~173k, according to the steam group). new players aren't joining HL because most of them just end up thinking "matchmaking is coming soon, I'll go wait for that"
I still think ppl are severely overestimating how stable UGC would be, even assuming a perfect world of moderation
highlander's main draw has always been that, to newer players, it was as close to the main public server game as possible, and so it was easy to get into. with MM, that draw jumped right off a cliff, and everyone knows that, because now valve 6s is the main game for serious play. why would people try and join an alternate, unsupported format when valve's pushing 6v6 as the future?
you can see it with how many people are trying to get matchmaking passes (currently at ~173k, according to the steam group). new players aren't joining HL because most of them just end up thinking "matchmaking is coming soon, I'll go wait for that"
highlander's main draw has always been that, to newer players, it was as close to the main public server game as possible, and so it was easy to get into. with MM, that draw jumped right off a cliff, and everyone knows that, because now valve 6s is the main game for serious play. why would people try and join an alternate, unsupported format when valve's pushing 6v6 as the future?
you can see it with how many people are trying to get matchmaking passes (currently at ~173k, according to the steam group). new players aren't joining HL because most of them just end up thinking "matchmaking is coming soon, I'll go wait for that"
trashnew players aren't joining HL because most of them just end up thinking "matchmaking is coming soon, I'll go wait for that"
If this was true wouldn't more people be joining ESEA for 6s? Or UGC 6s? As far as I can tell esea open didn't exponentially grow as of recent, and just like hl, 6s in UGC is way down in numbers currently (not including the inevitable amount of dead that will die midseason). Just last season 6s platinum was removed because a lack of teams.
This trend has been going on for a little while now, so I don't think it's fair saying matchmaking is the sole reason (albeit the drop was a bit more than average this season irc).
[quote=trash]new players aren't joining HL because most of them just end up thinking "matchmaking is coming soon, I'll go wait for that"[/quote]
If this was true wouldn't more people be joining ESEA for 6s? Or UGC 6s? As far as I can tell esea open didn't exponentially grow as of recent, and just like hl, 6s in UGC is way down in numbers currently (not including the inevitable amount of dead that will die midseason). Just last season 6s platinum was removed because a lack of teams.
This trend has been going on for a little while now, so I don't think it's fair saying matchmaking is the sole reason (albeit the drop was a bit more than average this season irc).
If this was true wouldn't more people be joining ESEA for 6s? Or UGC 6s? As far as I can tell esea open didn't exponentially grow as of recent, and just like hl, 6s in UGC is way down in numbers currently (not including the inevitable amount of dead that will die midseason). Just last season 6s platinum was removed because a lack of teams.
This trend has been going on for a little while now, so I don't think it's fair saying matchmaking is the sole reason (albeit the drop was a bit more than average this season irc).
WillmaticIf ESEA cared about TF2 I would say now would be a good time to test the waters and start a Highlander League for 1 season. While I agree that 6s is the more skill intensive format, it would be interesting to see how many people would pay to play HL.
ETF2L opening an NA section is much more likely
[quote=Willmatic]If ESEA cared about TF2 I would say now would be a good time to test the waters and start a Highlander League for 1 season. While I agree that 6s is the more skill intensive format, it would be interesting to see how many people would pay to play HL.[/quote]
ETF2L opening an NA section is much more likely
ETF2L opening an NA section is much more likely
GentlemanJonWillmaticIf ESEA cared about TF2 I would say now would be a good time to test the waters and start a Highlander League for 1 season. While I agree that 6s is the more skill intensive format, it would be interesting to see how many people would pay to play HL.ETF2L opening an NA section is much more likely
Knowing NA Highlander players, there would be a huge unrest among the things like unlocks and maps, already heard a lot of NA players in streams complaining about bad maps and unlocks that ETF2L has. But I think ETF2L would open NA section if there will be enough NA admins to help and sustain the NA part of the league, because EU admins won't do that.
[quote=GentlemanJon][quote=Willmatic]If ESEA cared about TF2 I would say now would be a good time to test the waters and start a Highlander League for 1 season. While I agree that 6s is the more skill intensive format, it would be interesting to see how many people would pay to play HL.[/quote]
ETF2L opening an NA section is much more likely[/quote]
Knowing NA Highlander players, there would be a huge unrest among the things like unlocks and maps, already heard a lot of NA players in streams complaining about bad maps and unlocks that ETF2L has. But I think ETF2L would open NA section if there will be enough NA admins to help and sustain the NA part of the league, because EU admins won't do that.
ETF2L opening an NA section is much more likely[/quote]
Knowing NA Highlander players, there would be a huge unrest among the things like unlocks and maps, already heard a lot of NA players in streams complaining about bad maps and unlocks that ETF2L has. But I think ETF2L would open NA section if there will be enough NA admins to help and sustain the NA part of the league, because EU admins won't do that.
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