She was unable to sail to westeros when Drogo was alive because they had no money or ships. It was frequently talked about in the first season along with the Dothraki fear of sailing.
The situation now is much different. She has a huge city under her control and the money to buy ships from another Free City like Braavos, Pentos or Volantis. I feel the show will go to Volantis at some point, it has been talked about for several seasons but nothing more.
I don't think you should get hung up on the word "submission" so much. Warrior cultures don't submit to anything but they do voluntarily follow a strong and powerful leader to keep their own honor. That is how I view the Dothraki and one big difference in your theory I see is that a "witch" doing blood or fire magic would not be accepted by the Dothraki and therefore they would never follow her even if she performed the same thing Daenerys did at the end of the episode and kill all the Khals.
Daenerys did not perform any "magic" or "witch-like" rituals or spells. She is simply an incredibly strong individual because of her connection to Dragons. It is logical to assume the Dothraki see her like that and will follow her because of her strength.
She was unable to sail to westeros when Drogo was alive because they had no money or ships. It was frequently talked about in the first season along with the Dothraki fear of sailing.
The situation now is much different. She has a huge city under her control and the money to buy ships from another Free City like Braavos, Pentos or Volantis. I feel the show will go to Volantis at some point, it has been talked about for several seasons but nothing more.
I don't think you should get hung up on the word "submission" so much. Warrior cultures don't submit to anything but they do voluntarily follow a strong and powerful leader to keep their own honor. That is how I view the Dothraki and one big difference in your theory I see is that a "witch" doing blood or fire magic would not be accepted by the Dothraki and therefore they would never follow her even if she performed the same thing Daenerys did at the end of the episode and kill all the Khals.
Daenerys did not perform any "magic" or "witch-like" rituals or spells. She is simply an incredibly strong individual because of her connection to Dragons. It is logical to assume the Dothraki see her like that and will follow her because of her strength.
I'm aware why dany didn't cross the sea with drogo earlier, I'm wondering why it didn't occur to her earlier to take command of the dothraki if she always had the means to do so, and it had been her plan ever since drogo anyway.
As for the fire scene, it just doesn't feel as logical to me as you I guess lol. To me, these are highly superstitious people who called a herbalist a witch (before there was any evidence that she actually was one) and among who "it is known" that blue-eyed women are witches (i know these were women bickering but still). They also disrespect women. And they certainly dislike, if not despise, magic. They respect raw strength, but I don't see them respecting magic, even if its destructive. What dany did has to look like obvious witch magic to any of these dothraki who have never seen a dragon or heard the first thing about targaryen blood. All they see is a woman with weird looking hair who isn't hurt by fire and is apparently trying to burn their holy city down. I'm sure they have rekt women for less. If she had ridden into the village on her dragons ferociously burning down the temple, yeah I could see the dothraki bowing. The first scene like this when her dragons hatched worked great and felt right to me. But the way this one looked to me, if I was a dothraki in that crowd, all I would see would either be a really clever arsenist with a bag of tricks, or a witch. Who also looks like really good raping material. But apparently none of them thought that.
I can also see your argument though, I guess the scene is more plausible if the dothraki know more about dragons than i think they do. I haven't read the books, so maybe they do?
I'm aware why dany didn't cross the sea with drogo earlier, I'm wondering why it didn't occur to her earlier to take command of the dothraki if she always had the means to do so, and it had been her plan ever since drogo anyway.
As for the fire scene, it just doesn't feel as logical to me as you I guess lol. To me, these are highly superstitious people who called a herbalist a witch (before there was any evidence that she actually was one) and among who "it is known" that blue-eyed women are witches (i know these were women bickering but still). They also disrespect women. And they certainly dislike, if not despise, magic. They respect raw strength, but I don't see them respecting magic, even if its destructive. What dany did has to look like obvious witch magic to any of these dothraki who have never seen a dragon or heard the first thing about targaryen blood. All they see is a woman with weird looking hair who isn't hurt by fire and is apparently trying to burn their holy city down. I'm sure they have rekt women for less. If she had ridden into the village on her dragons ferociously burning down the temple, yeah I could see the dothraki bowing. The first scene like this when her dragons hatched worked great and felt right to me. But the way this one looked to me, if I was a dothraki in that crowd, all I would see would either be a really clever arsenist with a bag of tricks, or a witch. Who also looks like really good raping material. But apparently none of them thought that.
I can also see your argument though, I guess the scene is more plausible if the dothraki know more about dragons than i think they do. I haven't read the books, so maybe they do?
the301stspartan What dany did has to look like obvious witch magic to any of these dothraki who have never seen a dragon or heard the first thing about targaryen blood. All they see is a woman with weird looking hair who isn't hurt by fire and is apparently trying to burn their holy city down.
I believe the Dothraki know exactly what Dragons are and have seen/experienced them in the past. Before the Targaryen's went to war and took control over the 7 kingdoms, they went East and assisted the "Free Cities" in becoming independent of the 7 kingdoms. After that, the Targaryens returned to westeros and conquered the 7 kingdoms.
In the end, nobody has any real way of knowing where the show is going to turn. GRRM has his own way of fooling everyone into thinking one thing then doing another. We could both be wrong when things come full circle.
[quote=the301stspartan] What dany did has to look like obvious witch magic to any of these dothraki who have never seen a dragon or heard the first thing about targaryen blood. All they see is a woman with weird looking hair who isn't hurt by fire and is apparently trying to burn their holy city down.[/quote]
I believe the Dothraki know exactly what Dragons are and have seen/experienced them in the past. Before the Targaryen's went to war and took control over the 7 kingdoms, they went East and assisted the "Free Cities" in becoming independent of the 7 kingdoms. After that, the Targaryens returned to westeros and conquered the 7 kingdoms.
In the end, nobody has any real way of knowing where the show is going to turn. GRRM has his own way of fooling everyone into thinking one thing then doing another. We could both be wrong when things come full circle.
fuck that actually made me really sad
fuck that actually made me really sad
today's penis caught me by surprise
today's penis caught me by surprise
I lost my shit to Tormund and Brienne this episode
I lost my shit to [url=https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FrayedGloriousGnu-mobile.mp4]Tormund and Brienne[/url] this episode
remedytoday's penis caught me by surprise
happened to everyone, there was no warning at all just instant penis. On another note, the younger actress had amazing boobs
[quote=remedy]today's penis caught me by surprise[/quote]
happened to everyone, there was no warning at all just instant penis. On another note, the younger actress had amazing boobs
Actually cried a bit. It was brutal when they killed the Wolf, but when Hodor dropped down, I just lost it.
Actually cried a bit. It was brutal when they killed the Wolf, but when Hodor dropped down, I just lost it.
I love the book and was one of those people that always looked down on the TV show like "eerugh but there's no deep character development smh" but the last season and this one has really done it for me, I no longer think of them as separate things now but just one big overall story.
time travel stuff proper makes me erect as well.
I love the book and was one of those people that always looked down on the TV show like "eerugh but there's no deep character development smh" but the last season and this one has really done it for me, I no longer think of them as separate things now but just one big overall story.
time travel stuff proper makes me erect as well.
The Hodor scene was really good even though I find it confusing.However, I really gotta wonder why they preceded it with one of the dumbest self-sacrifice scenes I've ever seen. Leaf has a grenade that explodes on impact, in a tight corridor with zombies literally everywhere behind her. What could possibly make her decide she has to walk into them to set it off?
The Hodor scene was really good even though I find it confusing.However, I really gotta wonder why they preceded it with one of the dumbest self-sacrifice scenes I've ever seen. Leaf has a grenade that explodes on impact, in a tight corridor with zombies literally everywhere behind her. What could possibly make her decide she has to walk into them to set it off?
well she does it to give them more time to escape. she jumps in and zombies focus on her cuz they zombies bruh. then boom.
well she does it to give them more time to escape. she jumps in and zombies focus on her cuz they zombies bruh. then boom.
But they don't, they're zombies, they don't all stop to get to her. Right next to the 10 that could possibly have focused on her, there were 100 more that just kept running, it just made no difference and she must have known it would make no difference.
But they don't, they're zombies, they don't all stop to get to her. Right next to the 10 that could possibly have focused on her, there were 100 more that just kept running, it just made no difference and she must have known it would make no difference.
the301stspartanThe Hodor scene was really good even though I find it confusing.However, I really gotta wonder why they preceded it with one of the dumbest self-sacrifice scenes I've ever seen. Leaf has a grenade that explodes on impact, in a tight corridor with zombies literally everywhere behind her. What could possibly make her decide she has to walk into them to set it off?
It's not really that confusing if you look at it from a different perspective. I watched the whole scene again and a few things
Her "grenade" or whatever it is, seemed to be special and different than the others that were thrown outside before the tunnel chase. If anything, the grenade was "charging up" as it was held in her hands so perhaps she wanted to give it the biggest possible charge before detonation thus she stands there and gets ripped apart until the zombies activate the grenade themselves.
Also bear in mind that all her sisters had already died in the battle and she was the last one standing. Not really hard to understand why she would decide to make her stand there and go out with her sisters while possibly allowing Bran to escape. Leaf knew how important Bran is or can be in the big picture.
Lastly, the White Walker army of Wights are referred to as Zombies a lot and not much is known about them. If they act like traditional "zombie" type creatures from D&D it means they need to either be commanded by a more powerful creature or ,if they have no orders, they simply attack whenever they can physically see or hear at the moment. They cannot think for themselves or reason anything out. Every scene with them to date has been consistent with that reasoning.
That said, the "sacrifices" in the tunnel were just fine in context but the main difference between the Dire Wolf and Leaf deaths were that the Wights still seen other things to attack in the tunnel thus they kept coming. If you watch the scene again, when Hodor did his hold the door thing, it allowed Bran to fade into the mist so after Hodor was dead, the Wights had nothing else to see and attack.
[quote=the301stspartan]The Hodor scene was really good even though I find it confusing.However, I really gotta wonder why they preceded it with one of the dumbest self-sacrifice scenes I've ever seen. Leaf has a grenade that explodes on impact, in a tight corridor with zombies literally everywhere behind her. What could possibly make her decide she has to walk into them to set it off?[/quote]
It's not really that confusing if you look at it from a different perspective. I watched the whole scene again and a few things
Her "grenade" or whatever it is, seemed to be special and different than the others that were thrown outside before the tunnel chase. If anything, the grenade was "charging up" as it was held in her hands so perhaps she wanted to give it the biggest possible charge before detonation thus she stands there and gets ripped apart until the zombies activate the grenade themselves.
Also bear in mind that all her sisters had already died in the battle and she was the last one standing. Not really hard to understand why she would decide to make her stand there and go out with her sisters while possibly allowing Bran to escape. Leaf knew how important Bran is or can be in the big picture.
Lastly, the White Walker army of Wights are referred to as Zombies a lot and not much is known about them. If they act like traditional "zombie" type creatures from D&D it means they need to either be commanded by a more powerful creature or ,if they have no orders, they simply attack whenever they can physically see or hear at the moment. They cannot think for themselves or reason anything out. Every scene with them to date has been consistent with that reasoning.
That said, the "sacrifices" in the tunnel were just fine in context but the main difference between the Dire Wolf and Leaf deaths were that the Wights still seen other things to attack in the tunnel thus they kept coming. If you watch the scene again, when Hodor did his hold the door thing, it allowed Bran to fade into the mist so after Hodor was dead, the Wights had nothing else to see and attack.
Add the Kingsmoot/Ironborn to the list of show botches.
Add the Kingsmoot/Ironborn to the list of show botches.
yeah i really wanted to see victarion greyjoy and a euron that's more similar to the books. But I guess the whole thing with the Ironborn is probably just too much story to fit in.
yeah i really wanted to see victarion greyjoy and a euron that's more similar to the books. But I guess the whole thing with the Ironborn is probably just too much story to fit in.
Bran is still tagged by the night's king isn't he? Doesn't that basicially mean he can't run away?
Bran is still tagged by the night's king isn't he? Doesn't that basicially mean he can't run away?
When Bran was touched in his vision, it just let the White Walker know his location at that instant so he showed up at the tree after. It doesn't mean Bran has a GPS on his arm or anything.
When Bran was touched in his vision, it just let the White Walker know his location at that instant so he showed up at the tree after. It doesn't mean Bran has a GPS on his arm or anything.
"Don't knock it down while I'm gone" is 100% foreshadowing
"Don't knock it down while I'm gone" is 100% foreshadowing
How did the other countries adapted the "Hold the door" to Hodor thing?
In Brazilian portuguese, "Segure a porta" (which is the exactly translation to "Hold the door") went to "Porta" and then it magically became "Hodor". It made no sense.
I've also seen that in French they used "Qu'ils n'aillent pas au-dehors !" (which means like "Don't let them outside!") instead of "Tiens la porte" ("Hold the door") and it transformed in "Pas au-dehors !" and then to "Hodor". It was kind forced, but at least not as bad as they did for portuguese.
How did the other countries adapted the "Hold the door" to Hodor thing?
In Brazilian portuguese, "Segure a porta" (which is the exactly translation to "Hold the door") went to "Porta" and then it magically became "Hodor". It made no sense.
I've also seen that in French they used "Qu'ils n'aillent pas au-dehors !" (which means like "Don't let them outside!") instead of "Tiens la porte" ("Hold the door") and it transformed in "Pas au-dehors !" and then to "Hodor". It was kind forced, but at least not as bad as they did for portuguese.
Failed in German too more or less. I think they could've dumbed it down in the translations by just making him shout "[do whatever], hodor". It's a bit less smart but it makes just as much (little) sense time-travelling wise. It would make the story slightly inconsistent with the original which is bad I guess but at least it wouldn't be completely weird.
Failed in German too more or less. I think they could've dumbed it down in the translations by just making him shout "[do whatever], hodor". It's a bit less smart but it makes just as much (little) sense time-travelling wise. It would make the story slightly inconsistent with the original which is bad I guess but at least it wouldn't be completely weird.
SpaceCadetWhen Bran was touched in his vision, it just let the White Walker know his location at that instant so he showed up at the tree after. It doesn't mean Bran has a GPS on his arm or anything.
how do you know that?
[quote=SpaceCadet]When Bran was touched in his vision, it just let the White Walker know his location at that instant so he showed up at the tree after. It doesn't mean Bran has a GPS on his arm or anything.[/quote]
how do you know that?
does summers death symbolise winters coming
does summers death symbolise winters coming
Laandoes summers death symbolise winters coming
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[quote=Laan]does summers death symbolise winters coming[/quote]
sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh
DavidTheWin"Don't knock it down while I'm gone" is 100% foreshadowing
The whitewalker king is going to use his seismic thingy on the wall to destroy it 100%.
[quote=DavidTheWin]"Don't knock it down while I'm gone" is 100% foreshadowing[/quote]
The whitewalker king is going to use his seismic thingy on the wall to destroy it 100%.
anyone else think the kingslanding story is super dull compared to the other storylines?
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also, benjen_boyz
anyone else think the kingslanding story is super dull compared to the other storylines?
[spoiler]also, benjen_boyz[/spoiler]