Nub_DanishIn EU anyone who is a resident of another country that is a member of the EU is allowed to enter the UK and live there. Also the EU could pass legislative requiring the UK to take a certain amount of "refugees".
1. You're a dumbass if you assume the UK won't try to renegotiate for open borders. The European economy depends on it at this point and UK workers are now nearly worthless compared to Irish or mainland people in the same field since they have much worse travel requirements
2. The EU could've done a lot of things to detract from the British economy but it didn't. This is ignoring that immigrants are what the UK desperately needs right now. Part of the reason the Scottish voted so strongly to remain is because the population is aging faster than they can maintain and they need more young workers.
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In EU anyone who is a resident of another country that is a member of the EU is allowed to enter the UK and live there. Also the EU could pass legislative requiring the UK to take a certain amount of "refugees".[/quote]
1. You're a dumbass if you assume the UK won't try to renegotiate for open borders. The European economy depends on it at this point and UK workers are now nearly worthless compared to Irish or mainland people in the same field since they have much worse travel requirements
2. The EU could've done a lot of things to detract from the British economy but it didn't. This is ignoring that immigrants are what the UK desperately needs right now. Part of the reason the Scottish voted so strongly to remain is because the population is aging faster than they can maintain and they need more young workers.
Unfortunately this doesnt mean that England is no longer allowed to play in the EuroCup2016 because the still count towards the european continent... Maybe they could try and vote themselfes out of that too
Unfortunately this doesnt mean that England is no longer allowed to play in the EuroCup2016 because the still count towards the european continent... Maybe they could try and vote themselfes out of that too
The fact is I don't see any way this isn't an objective disaster for the average working class citizen. We're about to hand the reins of the country over to the most fanatical neo-liberal party ever who already tried to privatise all education in the UK through trying to force them to become academies and would very much like to privatise the NHS. Cameron was bad enough but he's gone by October and Boris will likely be replacing him and that would be even worse because he's deceptively dangerous due to his carefully cultivated public image of being a buffoon. He's said that people would appreciate the NHS more if they had to pay for it (at point of use, not through taxes as it is currently). No one can say for certain but given the Conservative's track record we're up for more crushing austerity and more privatisation of education and health and other public services which is objectively bad for the working class. Not to mention the removal of EU funding of higher education means that either tuition fees will rise or the quality of education will decrease making it harder to leave the working class via higher education.
The fact is I don't see any way this isn't an objective disaster for the average working class citizen. We're about to hand the reins of the country over to the most fanatical neo-liberal party ever who already tried to privatise all education in the UK through trying to force them to become academies and would very much like to privatise the NHS. Cameron was bad enough but he's gone by October and Boris will likely be replacing him and that would be even worse because he's deceptively dangerous due to his carefully cultivated public image of being a buffoon. He's said that people would appreciate the NHS more if they had to pay for it (at point of use, not through taxes as it is currently). No one can say for certain but given the Conservative's track record we're up for more crushing austerity and more privatisation of education and health and other public services which is objectively bad for the working class. Not to mention the removal of EU funding of higher education means that either tuition fees will rise or the quality of education will decrease making it harder to leave the working class via higher education.
Jason_HeyUnfortunately this doesnt mean that England is no longer allowed to play in the EuroCup2016 because the still count towards the european continent... Maybe they could try and vote themselfes out of that too
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DavidTheWinThe fact is I don't see
It's an opinion then.
We're about to hand the reins of the country over to the most fanatical neo-liberal party ever who already tried to privatise all education in the UK through trying to force them to become academies and would very much like to privatise the NHS. Cameron was bad enough but he's gone by October and Boris will likely be replacing him and that would be even worse because he's deceptively dangerous due to his carefully cultivated public image of being a buffoon. He's said that people would appreciate the NHS more if they had to pay for it (at point of use, not through taxes as it is currently). No one can say for certain but given the Conservative's track record we're up for more crushing austerity and more privatisation of education and health and other public services which is objectively bad for the working class. Not to mention the removal of EU funding of higher education means that either tuition fees will rise or the quality of education will decrease making it harder to leave the working class via higher education.
Given that potential scenario then, the UK government is 100% liable assuming we've already left the EU by then. We make our decision come the next general election whether to oust them or not, without any influence or involvement by the European Commission (in theory at least, pending self-interests of current MPs). This referendum was bigger than the Conservative being in power in the longer term.
[quote=Jason_Hey]Unfortunately this doesnt mean that England is no longer allowed to play in the EuroCup2016 because the still count towards the european continent... Maybe they could try and vote themselfes out of that too[/quote]
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[quote=DavidTheWin]The fact is I don't see[/quote]
It's an opinion then.
[quote]We're about to hand the reins of the country over to the most fanatical neo-liberal party ever who already tried to privatise all education in the UK through trying to force them to become academies and would very much like to privatise the NHS. Cameron was bad enough but he's gone by October and Boris will likely be replacing him and that would be even worse because he's deceptively dangerous due to his carefully cultivated public image of being a buffoon. He's said that people would appreciate the NHS more if they had to pay for it (at point of use, not through taxes as it is currently). No one can say for certain but given the Conservative's track record we're up for more crushing austerity and more privatisation of education and health and other public services which is objectively bad for the working class. Not to mention the removal of EU funding of higher education means that either tuition fees will rise or the quality of education will decrease making it harder to leave the working class via higher education.[/quote]
Given that potential scenario then, the UK government is 100% liable assuming we've already left the EU by then. We make our decision come the next general election whether to oust them or not, without any influence or involvement by the European Commission (in theory at least, pending self-interests of current MPs). This referendum was bigger than the Conservative being in power in the longer term.
Legitimately terrified that the NHS might be on the way out. If the best hospital system in the world gets destroyed and privatized, it'll be generations before the US even thinks about universal healthcare :(
Legitimately terrified that the NHS might be on the way out. If the best hospital system in the world gets destroyed and privatized, it'll be generations before the US even thinks about universal healthcare :(
The whole Leave camp is another fabricated grassroots movement just like the Tea Party in America. You get the people with strongest nationalistic ties (older folks, blue collar workers, etc..) then whip them
Into a frenzy of how their money is supporting a system that is oppressing then (taxes/regulation) and changing their way of life (immigrants) except instead of your national government like in the USA they used the EU boogeyman with its tyrannical laws.
Just like in the Tea Party the immigrant talk was used to get the reactionaries out to vote and the supposed saved money will all funnel to politicians and their partners who wanted to get rid of pesky EU regulation in the way of their profit margin. The working man won't see a penny invested into the public or wages.
But I bet in another ten years or even less you'll see this movement renewed but now with the EU gone they'll be looking to even more aggressively chop up your regulatory bodies because "big government is stifling business".
I've seen enough of this shit over here to see where it's going.
The whole Leave camp is another fabricated grassroots movement just like the Tea Party in America. You get the people with strongest nationalistic ties (older folks, blue collar workers, etc..) then whip them
Into a frenzy of how their money is supporting a system that is oppressing then (taxes/regulation) and changing their way of life (immigrants) except instead of your national government like in the USA they used the EU boogeyman with its tyrannical laws.
Just like in the Tea Party the immigrant talk was used to get the reactionaries out to vote and the supposed saved money will all funnel to politicians and their partners who wanted to get rid of pesky EU regulation in the way of their profit margin. The working man won't see a penny invested into the public or wages.
But I bet in another ten years or even less you'll see this movement renewed but now with the EU gone they'll be looking to even more aggressively chop up your regulatory bodies because "big government is stifling business".
I've seen enough of this shit over here to see where it's going.
eeeLegitimately terrified that the NHS might be on the way out. If the best hospital system in the world gets destroyed and privatized, it'll be generations before the US even thinks about universal healthcare :(
It's already being deliberately underfunded, a cynic might assume this is to force a crisis and for private care to take up the slack. We're heading towards your system much faster than you're moving to ours.
[quote=eee]Legitimately terrified that the NHS might be on the way out. If the best hospital system in the world gets destroyed and privatized, it'll be generations before the US even thinks about universal healthcare :([/quote]
It's already being deliberately underfunded, a cynic might assume this is to force a crisis and for private care to take up the slack. We're heading towards your system much faster than you're moving to ours.
GentlemanJoneeeLegitimately terrified that the NHS might be on the way out. If the best hospital system in the world gets destroyed and privatized, it'll be generations before the US even thinks about universal healthcare :(
It's already being deliberately underfunded, a cynic might assume this is to force a crisis and for private care to take up the slack. We're heading towards your system much faster than you're moving to ours.
True bummer, didn't the UKIP leader write a book about privatizing the NHS?
I guess the one benefit is that most people are supposedly happy with the NHS so anyone campaigning directly on breaking it up would have a hard fight to win.
[quote=GentlemanJon][quote=eee]Legitimately terrified that the NHS might be on the way out. If the best hospital system in the world gets destroyed and privatized, it'll be generations before the US even thinks about universal healthcare :([/quote]
It's already being deliberately underfunded, a cynic might assume this is to force a crisis and for private care to take up the slack. We're heading towards your system much faster than you're moving to ours.[/quote]
True bummer, didn't the UKIP leader write a book about privatizing the NHS?
I guess the one benefit is that most people are supposedly happy with the NHS so anyone campaigning directly on breaking it up would have a hard fight to win.
AvastThe whole Leave camp is another fabricated grassroots movement just like the Tea Party in America. You get the people with strongest nationalistic ties (older folks, blue collar workers, etc..) then whip them
Into a frenzy of how their money is supporting a system that is oppressing then (taxes/regulation) and changing their way of life (immigrants) except instead of your national government like in the USA they used the EU boogeyman with its tyrannical laws.
Just like in the Tea Party the immigrant talk was used to get the reactionaries out to vote and the supposed saved money will all funnel to politicians and their partners who wanted to get rid of pesky EU regulation in the way of their profit margin. The working man won't see a penny invested into the public or wages.
But I bet in another ten years or even less you'll see this movement renewed but now with the EU gone they'll be looking to even more aggressively chop up your regulatory bodies because "big government is stifling business".
I've seen enough of this shit over here to see where it's going.
It's not really comparable to the Tea Party at all. The Tea Party were hardcore right-wingers, the people who voted leave were mostly working class labour (left of centre) voters who were left behind by New-Labour in the 90s/00s and then took the brunt of the austerity measures after the housing market crash. They're people who feel like the elites got rich off of relaxed markets and increasing globalism while they were left to deal with the negatives of immigration, downward pressure on wages and massively inflated housing costs. They wont be looking to privatize health care or reduce public services.
The leave people are much more like Trump supporters in that respect I guess.
[quote=Avast]The whole Leave camp is another fabricated grassroots movement just like the Tea Party in America. You get the people with strongest nationalistic ties (older folks, blue collar workers, etc..) then whip them
Into a frenzy of how their money is supporting a system that is oppressing then (taxes/regulation) and changing their way of life (immigrants) except instead of your national government like in the USA they used the EU boogeyman with its tyrannical laws.
Just like in the Tea Party the immigrant talk was used to get the reactionaries out to vote and the supposed saved money will all funnel to politicians and their partners who wanted to get rid of pesky EU regulation in the way of their profit margin. The working man won't see a penny invested into the public or wages.
But I bet in another ten years or even less you'll see this movement renewed but now with the EU gone they'll be looking to even more aggressively chop up your regulatory bodies because "big government is stifling business".
I've seen enough of this shit over here to see where it's going.[/quote]
It's not really comparable to the Tea Party at all. The Tea Party were hardcore right-wingers, the people who voted leave were mostly working class labour (left of centre) voters who were left behind by New-Labour in the 90s/00s and then took the brunt of the austerity measures after the housing market crash. They're people who feel like the elites got rich off of relaxed markets and increasing globalism while they were left to deal with the negatives of immigration, downward pressure on wages and massively inflated housing costs. They wont be looking to privatize health care or reduce public services.
The leave people are much more like Trump supporters in that respect I guess.
your reason for the tea party not being the same as the brexit voters was completely unrelated to what avast said
your reason for the tea party not being the same as the brexit voters was completely unrelated to what avast said
EmilioEstevezIt's not really comparable to the Tea Party at all. The Tea Party were hardcore right-wingers, the people who voted leave were mostly working class labour (left of centre) voters who were left behind by New-Labour in the 90s/00s and then took the brunt of the austerity measures after the housing market crash. They're people who feel like the elites got rich off of relaxed markets and increasing globalism while they were left to deal with the negatives of immigration and downward, pressure on wages and massively inflated housing costs.
The leave people are much more like Trump supporters in that respect I guess.
No that is the same, the leadership of leave are hard core right wingers. Johnson and Gove are pure neo-conservatives, which is in remarkable contrast to your statement about the disdain of elites earlier. You couldn't get two more blatant political and social insiders who have unrelentingly used rhetoric to exploit ignorance and prejudice. Johnson under cover of being a lovable buffoon, Gove under cover of being an ultra-patriotic would-be intellectual.
e: That doesn't include Farage of course, another public (private school for American readers) schoolboy, a city insider, and a more blatant charlatan you couldn't find. Happy to be used as a battering ram saying things that Tory candidates wouldn't dare.
[quote=EmilioEstevez]It's not really comparable to the Tea Party at all. The Tea Party were hardcore right-wingers, the people who voted leave were mostly working class labour (left of centre) voters who were left behind by New-Labour in the 90s/00s and then took the brunt of the austerity measures after the housing market crash. They're people who feel like the elites got rich off of relaxed markets and increasing globalism while they were left to deal with the negatives of immigration and downward, pressure on wages and massively inflated housing costs.
The leave people are much more like Trump supporters in that respect I guess.[/quote]
No that is the same, the leadership of leave are hard core right wingers. Johnson and Gove are pure neo-conservatives, which is in remarkable contrast to your statement about the disdain of elites earlier. You couldn't get two more blatant political and social insiders who have unrelentingly used rhetoric to exploit ignorance and prejudice. Johnson under cover of being a lovable buffoon, Gove under cover of being an ultra-patriotic would-be intellectual.
e: That doesn't include Farage of course, another public (private school for American readers) schoolboy, a city insider, and a more blatant charlatan you couldn't find. Happy to be used as a battering ram saying things that Tory candidates wouldn't dare.
The NHS is the holy grail of British politics
The NHS is the holy grail of British politics
eeeTrue bummer, didn't the UKIP leader write a book about privatizing the NHS?
I guess the one benefit is that most people are supposedly happy with the NHS so anyone campaigning directly on breaking it up would have a hard fight to win.
Not quite, the current health secretary wrote the book about it. The man in charge of the NHS is the man who wrote the book on privatising it. I'm not joking.
The problem is no one will campaign directly on it. Once elected they are pretty much free to start carving it up which has been happening for the past 6 years since the start of the Conservative rule (ignoring the Lib Dems who didn't do much).
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True bummer, didn't the UKIP leader write a book about privatizing the NHS?
I guess the one benefit is that most people are supposedly happy with the NHS so anyone campaigning directly on breaking it up would have a hard fight to win.[/quote]
Not quite, the current health secretary wrote the book about it. The man in charge of the NHS is the man who wrote the book on privatising it. I'm not joking.
The problem is no one will campaign directly on it. Once elected they are pretty much free to start carving it up which has been happening for the past 6 years since the start of the Conservative rule (ignoring the Lib Dems who didn't do much).
AvastThe difference is at the origin. Trump is truly a out of nowhere candidate opposed by both sides of the political aisle until recently. The brexit movement on the other have was spearheaded by political establishment seeking to dismantle EU regulation including immigration.
Oh for sure, but the support for leave doesn't mean support for Farage or Johnsons other political opinions. They won't be able to turn support for leave into support for breaking up the NHS.
[quote=Avast]The difference is at the origin. Trump is truly a out of nowhere candidate opposed by both sides of the political aisle until recently. The brexit movement on the other have was spearheaded by political establishment seeking to dismantle EU regulation including immigration.[/quote]
Oh for sure, but the support for leave doesn't mean support for Farage or Johnsons other political opinions. They won't be able to turn support for leave into support for breaking up the NHS.
EmilioEstevezOh for sure, but the support for leave doesn't mean support for Farage or Johnsons other political opinions. They won't be able to turn support for leave into support for breaking up the NHS.
It won't be presented as breaking up the NHS. That's the point of being a politician
[quote=EmilioEstevez]Oh for sure, but the support for leave doesn't mean support for Farage or Johnsons other political opinions. They won't be able to turn support for leave into support for breaking up the NHS.[/quote]
It won't be presented as breaking up the NHS. That's the point of being a politician
conbud im startin to believe u rly think the holocaust didnt happen....
conbud im startin to believe u rly think the holocaust didnt happen....
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God bless the queen, Britain is stronger alone we have heritage and our culture and we are a major world power just like we used to be in the good old days!
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God bless the queen, Britain is stronger alone we have heritage and our culture and we are a major world power just like we used to be in the good old days!
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welp
Do we have the age turnout available?
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welp[/quote]
Do we have the age turnout available?
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welp
Do we have the age turnout available?
Don't remember where, but I'm pretty sure millennials were below 40%. From an independent standpoint, I find it funny that the demographic that voted the least (Us young people) are complaining about the outcome the most.
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welp[/quote]
Do we have the age turnout available?[/quote]
Don't remember where, but I'm pretty sure millennials were below 40%. From an independent standpoint, I find it funny that the demographic that voted the least (Us young people) are complaining about the outcome the most.
The demographic who is currently complaining the most on the internet and saying they will move to Canada/Sweden/Germany/Ireland overwhelmingly couldn't even be bothered to leave their houses to vote
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All these people don't know a thing about Canada, in their minds they are envisioning 10 million square kilometers of downtown toronto
I'm not even going to start on the patently retarded notion that you can just move anywhere you want when your feelings get hurt, nothing suggests those countries will take you anyway.
The demographic who is currently complaining the most on the internet and saying they will move to Canada/Sweden/Germany/Ireland overwhelmingly couldn't even be bothered to leave their houses to vote
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All these people don't know a thing about Canada, in their minds they are envisioning 10 million square kilometers of downtown toronto
I'm not even going to start on the patently retarded notion that you can just move anywhere you want when your feelings get hurt, nothing suggests those countries will take you anyway.
lootThe demographic who is currently complaining the most on the internet and saying they will move to Canada/Sweden/Germany/Ireland overwhelmingly couldn't even be bothered to leave their houses to vote
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I have a feeling if you didn't vote then you wouldn't be complaining on the internet, so your point doesn't really apply to these people
[quote=loot]The demographic who is currently complaining the most on the internet and saying they will move to Canada/Sweden/Germany/Ireland overwhelmingly couldn't even be bothered to leave their houses to vote
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I have a feeling if you didn't vote then you wouldn't be complaining on the internet, so your point doesn't really apply to these people
I have a feeling you'd be wrong, but most won't admit it
happens every vote anywhere, "oh wow the party/position I support was leading in the polls so I figured I didn't need to vote, how did it lose???"
Look at Bernie Sanders supporters in the american democrat primaries for a great example of that. I thought donating 10$ and posting on reddit would get him the nomination, what do you mean I had to go wait in line and cast a ballot?
I have a feeling you'd be wrong, but most won't admit it
happens every vote anywhere, "oh wow the party/position I support was leading in the polls so I figured I didn't need to vote, how did it lose???"
Look at Bernie Sanders supporters in the american democrat primaries for a great example of that. I thought donating 10$ and posting on reddit would get him the nomination, what do you mean I had to go wait in line and cast a ballot?
Congratulations British voters on making your EU referendum actually count, champagne socialists fucking destroyed. Emilio Estevez is right on the money in his explanation, and it's only populism when the vote isn't in your favour, hypocrites
Calling the electorate retarded just shows how you look down on the people who keep the country running and pay taxes so you can get your cheap medical aid at 85 while metalworkers and people in construction don't even get to 65 and enjoy their pension because they worn their body down so much.
Calling people like Johnson, or farage extreme right wingers, is as much of an ignorant insult as, saying that if you don't like the EU, you're a bigot and racist.
Congratulations British voters on making your EU referendum actually count, champagne socialists fucking destroyed. Emilio Estevez is right on the money in his explanation, and it's only populism when the vote isn't in your favour, hypocrites
Calling the electorate retarded just shows how you look down on the people who keep the country running and pay taxes so you can get your cheap medical aid at 85 while metalworkers and people in construction don't even get to 65 and enjoy their pension because they worn their body down so much.
Calling people like Johnson, or farage extreme right wingers, is as much of an ignorant insult as, saying that if you don't like the EU, you're a bigot and racist.
sacCongratulations British voters on making your EU referendum actually count, champagne socialists fucking destroyed. Emilio Estevez is right on the money in his explanation, and it's only populism when the vote isn't in your favour, hypocrites
Calling the electorate retarded just shows how you look down on the people who keep the country running and pay taxes so you can get your cheap medical aid at 85 while metalworkers and people in construction don't even get to 65 and enjoy their pension because they worn their body down so much.
Calling people like Johnson, or farage extreme right wingers, is as much of an ignorant insult as, saying that if you don't like the EU, you're a bigot and racist.
The electorate is retarded
the average human being is retarded
people who have spent thousands of hours playing tf2 discussing and thinking about economic and political theory pretty collectively agreed that leaving the EU would have negative short term and longer term consequences, and basically no one could provide a good argument for why it was a good idea. Propaganda won because the average person was too stupid to even bother to research what the EU was or how much the UK was paying into it vs receiving,
lootI have a feeling you'd be wrong, but most won't admit it
happens every vote anywhere, "oh wow the party/position I support was leading in the polls so I figured I didn't need to vote, how did it lose???"
Look at Bernie Sanders supporters in the american democrat primaries for a great example of that. I thought donating 10$ and posting on reddit would get him the nomination, what do you mean I had to go wait in line and cast a ballot?
having 90% of the reddit and college vote doesn't mean much. The people who cared about sanders were the 20 year olds who were going to show up to vote anyway, not the average college kid.
[quote=sac]Congratulations British voters on making your EU referendum actually count, champagne socialists fucking destroyed. Emilio Estevez is right on the money in his explanation, and it's only populism when the vote isn't in your favour, hypocrites
Calling the electorate retarded just shows how you look down on the people who keep the country running and pay taxes so you can get your cheap medical aid at 85 while metalworkers and people in construction don't even get to 65 and enjoy their pension because they worn their body down so much.
Calling people like Johnson, or farage extreme right wingers, is as much of an ignorant insult as, saying that if you don't like the EU, you're a bigot and racist.[/quote]
The electorate is retarded
the average human being is retarded
people who have spent thousands of hours [s]playing tf2[/s] discussing and thinking about economic and political theory pretty collectively agreed that leaving the EU would have negative short term and longer term consequences, and basically no one could provide a good argument for why it was a good idea. Propaganda won because the average person was too stupid to even bother to research what the EU was or how much the UK was paying into it vs receiving,
[quote=loot]I have a feeling you'd be wrong, but most won't admit it
happens every vote anywhere, "oh wow the party/position I support was leading in the polls so I figured I didn't need to vote, how did it lose???"
Look at Bernie Sanders supporters in the american democrat primaries for a great example of that. I thought donating 10$ and posting on reddit would get him the nomination, what do you mean I had to go wait in line and cast a ballot?[/quote]
having 90% of the reddit and college vote doesn't mean much. The people who cared about sanders were the 20 year olds who were going to show up to vote anyway, not the average college kid.
eeesacCongratulations British voters on making your EU referendum actually count, champagne socialists fucking destroyed. Emilio Estevez is right on the money in his explanation, and it's only populism when the vote isn't in your favour, hypocrites
Calling the electorate retarded just shows how you look down on the people who keep the country running and pay taxes so you can get your cheap medical aid at 85 while metalworkers and people in construction don't even get to 65 and enjoy their pension because they worn their body down so much.
Calling people like Johnson, or farage extreme right wingers, is as much of an ignorant insult as, saying that if you don't like the EU, you're a bigot and racist.
The electorate is retarded
the average human being is retarded
people who have spent thousands of hours playing tf2 discussing and thinking about economic and political theory pretty collectively agreed that leaving the EU would have negative short term and longer term consequences, and basically no one could provide a good argument for why it was a good idea. Propaganda won because the average person was too stupid to even bother to research what the EU was or how much the UK was paying into it vs receiving,
you're retarded... but you still have a right to vote, in fact it's your civic duty to do so, and if you don't, then you are too retarded to be part of a functioning democracy. the fact that the turn up is so high and it's vastly the older generation who voted for leave, shows it is the people en masse with the most experience and wisdom in life, who decided in favour of leave. As if some 20 y-old college kid in gender studies has a better idea of how the world works than their grandparents.
[quote=eee][quote=sac]Congratulations British voters on making your EU referendum actually count, champagne socialists fucking destroyed. Emilio Estevez is right on the money in his explanation, and it's only populism when the vote isn't in your favour, hypocrites
Calling the electorate retarded just shows how you look down on the people who keep the country running and pay taxes so you can get your cheap medical aid at 85 while metalworkers and people in construction don't even get to 65 and enjoy their pension because they worn their body down so much.
Calling people like Johnson, or farage extreme right wingers, is as much of an ignorant insult as, saying that if you don't like the EU, you're a bigot and racist.[/quote]
The electorate is retarded
the average human being is retarded
people who have spent thousands of hours [s]playing tf2[/s] discussing and thinking about economic and political theory pretty collectively agreed that leaving the EU would have negative short term and longer term consequences, and basically no one could provide a good argument for why it was a good idea. Propaganda won because the average person was too stupid to even bother to research what the EU was or how much the UK was paying into it vs receiving,[/quote]
you're retarded... but you still have a right to vote, in fact it's your civic duty to do so, and if you don't, then you are too retarded to be part of a functioning democracy. the fact that the turn up is so high and it's vastly the older generation who voted for leave, shows it is the people en masse with the most experience and wisdom in life, who decided in favour of leave. As if some 20 y-old college kid in gender studies has a better idea of how the world works than their grandparents.
I mean I'm pretty definitively no retarded (I got tested even) but sure resort to ad hominem when someone points out the flaw in your society i guess.
"it's your civic duty to do so"
Its also your civic duty to inform yourself about the political situation of your country but that sure as shit didn't happen.
"shows it is the people en masse with the most experience and wisdom in life, who decided in favour of leave"
By that logic it also showed that failures (people who didn't go to college and earn less money) were more likely to vote leave. Are we gonna start listening to the bottom 5% of the class now?
"As if some 20 y-old college kid in gender studies has a better idea of how the world works than their grandparents."
Considering their grandparents likely didn't even know the basics of what the EU did for the UK, that's a fair analysis to make.
I mean I'm pretty definitively no retarded (I got tested even) but sure resort to ad hominem when someone points out the flaw in your society i guess.
"it's your civic duty to do so"
Its also your civic duty to inform yourself about the political situation of your country but that sure as shit didn't happen.
"shows it is the people en masse with the most experience and wisdom in life, who decided in favour of leave"
By that logic it also showed that failures (people who didn't go to college and earn less money) were more likely to vote leave. Are we gonna start listening to the bottom 5% of the class now?
"As if some 20 y-old college kid in gender studies has a better idea of how the world works than their grandparents."
Considering their grandparents likely didn't even know the basics of what the EU did for the UK, that's a fair analysis to make.
Since when are people who didn't go to college failures?
Since when are people who didn't go to college failures?
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