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MAJOR TF2 update for 7/7/16 (Meet Your Match)
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#211
-38 Frags +
Air_N3vo You sound pretty retarded & clueless on how the game unfolds.
do you know who i am i am klitscho esea intermediate champion with mister wrench and we won badlands by mindlessly running onto the point. if i were john milter i'd go grab your ugc profile and post how terrible you are but the fact that you think blands last is good says more about how fucking stupid you are than i ever could

kill yourself my man

I stopped reading at UGC

[quote=Air_][quote=N3vo] You sound pretty retarded & clueless on how the game unfolds.[/quote]

do you know who i am i am klitscho esea intermediate champion with mister wrench and we won badlands by mindlessly running onto the point. if i were john milter i'd go grab your ugc profile and post how terrible you are but the fact that you think blands last is good says more about how fucking stupid you are than i ever could

kill yourself my man[/quote]
I stopped reading at UGC
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#212
8 Frags +

Reserve shooter is left unchanged? What

Reserve shooter is left unchanged? What
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#213
4 Frags +

- Slowed projectile by 30%
- Projectile damage reduced by 25% for each enemy penetrated

what warranted this

- Slowed projectile by 30%
- Projectile damage reduced by 25% for each enemy penetrated


what warranted this
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#214
3 Frags +

Whats up with the matchmaking FOV? Unchangeable?

Whats up with the matchmaking FOV? Unchangeable?
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#215
0 Frags +

i did 140 of damage with a charged quickiebomb sticky... Pre-nerf demo? :v
also: i feel like they should add an animation to the alt attack of the shortstop

i did 140 of damage with a charged quickiebomb sticky... Pre-nerf demo? :v
also: i feel like they should add an animation to the alt attack of the shortstop
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#216
7 Frags +

x

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#217
-15 Frags +
Firel also n3vo non of your post make you look better so you might aswell stop.

I post my opinion and get insulted right away. It's in no way to look better or whatever you're imaginating. Not gonna feed the troll anymore either way.

[quote=Fire]l also n3vo non of your post make you look better so you might aswell stop.[/quote]
I post my opinion and get insulted right away. It's in no way to look better or whatever you're imaginating. Not gonna feed the troll anymore either way.
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#218
2 Frags +

Honestly pretty salty I can't just hop into my favourite map on a Valve pub and just click on dudes with some music without playing the objective but I seem to be in the minority here. Having to queue up to play fucking casual is the biggest problem with Overwatch and CS:GO and the fact that they downgraded TF2 to do the same is pretty boneheaded. Kinda feels like they axed the style of pubs they had after building it up for 9 years.

Honestly pretty salty I can't just hop into my favourite map on a Valve pub and just click on dudes with some music without playing the objective but I seem to be in the minority here. Having to queue up to play fucking casual is the biggest problem with Overwatch and CS:GO and the fact that they downgraded TF2 to do the same is pretty boneheaded. Kinda feels like they axed the style of pubs they had after building it up for 9 years.
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#219
-1 Frags +
ShankyHonestly pretty salty I can't just hop into my favourite map on a Valve pub and just click on dudes with some music without playing the objective but I seem to be in the minority here. Having to queue up to play fucking casual is the biggest problem with Overwatch and CS:GO and the fact that they downgraded TF2 to do the same is pretty boneheaded. Kinda feels like they axed the style of pubs they had after building it up for 9 years.

You can still use the browser to find a pub server with the exact map you want. And this will help communities. I don't understand the issue?

[quote=Shanky]Honestly pretty salty I can't just hop into my favourite map on a Valve pub and just click on dudes with some music without playing the objective but I seem to be in the minority here. Having to queue up to play fucking casual is the biggest problem with Overwatch and CS:GO and the fact that they downgraded TF2 to do the same is pretty boneheaded. Kinda feels like they axed the style of pubs they had after building it up for 9 years.[/quote]
You can still use the browser to find a pub server with the exact map you want. And this will help communities. I don't understand the issue?
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#220
0 Frags +

I'm guessing Valve allocated all their servers to matchmaking to cope with the demand after the update, but they will convert some of them back to pubs (which can be accessed via the server browser) soon.

I'm guessing Valve allocated all their servers to matchmaking to cope with the demand after the update, but they will convert some of them back to pubs (which can be accessed via the server browser) soon.
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#221
1 Frags +

I love the optimization in this update, it made a huge difference for me at least (im getting the same fps on dx9 with -default that I could only get with d8/maxframes pre update)

However, I think the quickiebomb, a weapon that was already very good and very annoying to play against got an insane undeserved buff. Imho it's broken now, I really hope they'll revert it. I mean come on, you can actually put stickytraps with it now and the quick det stickies have a 0.2 second delay til they can det as opposed to the default 0.7 secs. That's pretty unreasonable.

I love the optimization in this update, it made a huge difference for me at least (im getting the same fps on dx9 with -default that I could only get with d8/maxframes pre update)

However, I think the quickiebomb, a weapon that was already very good and very annoying to play against got an insane undeserved buff. Imho it's broken now, I really hope they'll revert it. I mean come on, you can actually put stickytraps with it now and the quick det stickies have a 0.2 second delay til they can det as opposed to the default 0.7 secs. That's pretty unreasonable.
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#222
8 Frags +

I think their intentions with casual were good but it has a few foundational flaws which never gave it a chance. I like the idea of enticing people to try in pubs but I think queuing is a bit ambitious. You should definitely be able to join servers and game modes of your choice, come and leave as you please, kick hackers, etc. I actually think part of it is throwing a bone to people who wanted 9v9.

Reddit is a fucking shitstorm rn and I hope the devs have enough trust in their original goals of what they wanted casual to be to try fix some of these problems before completely reverting it.

Having said that, Aus payload pubs are actually pretty legit, we're not really subjected to the "taunting f2p scrub cancer" pubs EU/NA pubbers always seem to complain about.

E: Also, wtf is new snake and what were they smoking when they came up with the new quickie stats.

I think their intentions with casual were good but it has a few foundational flaws which never gave it a chance. I like the idea of enticing people to try in pubs but I think queuing is a bit ambitious. You should definitely be able to join servers and game modes of your choice, come and leave as you please, kick hackers, etc. I actually think part of it is throwing a bone to people who wanted 9v9.

Reddit is a fucking shitstorm rn and I hope the devs have enough trust in their original goals of what they wanted casual to be to try fix some of these problems before completely reverting it.

Having said that, Aus payload pubs are actually pretty legit, we're not really subjected to the "taunting f2p scrub cancer" pubs EU/NA pubbers always seem to complain about.

E: Also, wtf is new snake and what were they smoking when they came up with the new quickie stats.
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#223
9 Frags +

I'm just surprised they didn't touch the darwins danger shield since that's still one of the game's most broken items

I'm just surprised they didn't touch the darwins danger shield since that's still one of the game's most broken items
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#224
42 Frags +

why do i get matchmaking cooldown for leaving a pub

why do i get matchmaking cooldown for leaving a pub
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#225
-6 Frags +
aslI think their intentions with casual were good but it has a few foundational flaws which never gave it a chance. I like the idea of enticing people to try in pubs but I think queuing is a bit ambitious. You should definitely be able to join servers and game modes of your choice, come and leave as you please, kick hackers, etc. I actually think part of it is throwing a bone to people who wanted 9v9.

Reddit is a fucking shitstorm rn and I hope the devs have enough trust in their original goals of what they wanted casual to be to try fix some of these problems before completely reverting it.

Having said that, Aus payload pubs are actually pretty legit, we're not really subjected to the "taunting f2p scrub cancer" pubs EU/NA pubbers always seem to complain about.

E: Also, wtf is new snake and what were they smoking when they came up with the new quickie stats.

You can still do all of those things by just finding a community pub server on the server browser that runs the map you want. I still don't get what Reddit people are angry about. Nothing is different. You can still browse for whatever you want. Maybe they're just too lazy to type a mapname. Not sure. There are so many servers out there.

It makes sense to punish people for leaving a competitive games. I think the only issue was calling it "casual" in the first place which might have given the wrong impression of what it actually is. I'm actually interested in a somewhat competitive 12v12. If people want to join a pub they can still do so. Just use the server browser and join whichever one they want. I don't understand. If anything it helps people who run communities. If people want certain things we can put servers up and put whatever plugins they want or remove what they don't want. Or as someone else said, Valve might bring back some of their servers for random pubs later on.

I agree with the quickiebomb though. No idea why they made an already OP weapon more OP.

[quote=asl]I think their intentions with casual were good but it has a few foundational flaws which never gave it a chance. I like the idea of enticing people to try in pubs but I think queuing is a bit ambitious. You should definitely be able to join servers and game modes of your choice, come and leave as you please, kick hackers, etc. I actually think part of it is throwing a bone to people who wanted 9v9.

Reddit is a fucking shitstorm rn and I hope the devs have enough trust in their original goals of what they wanted casual to be to try fix some of these problems before completely reverting it.

Having said that, Aus payload pubs are actually pretty legit, we're not really subjected to the "taunting f2p scrub cancer" pubs EU/NA pubbers always seem to complain about.

E: Also, wtf is new snake and what were they smoking when they came up with the new quickie stats.[/quote]
You can still do all of those things by just finding a community pub server on the server browser that runs the map you want. I still don't get what Reddit people are angry about. Nothing is different. You can still browse for whatever you want. Maybe they're just too lazy to type a mapname. Not sure. There are so many servers out there.

It makes sense to punish people for leaving a competitive games. I think the only issue was calling it "casual" in the first place which might have given the wrong impression of what it actually is. I'm actually interested in a somewhat competitive 12v12. If people want to join a pub they can still do so. Just use the server browser and join whichever one they want. I don't understand. If anything it helps people who run communities. If people want certain things we can put servers up and put whatever plugins they want or remove what they don't want. Or as someone else said, Valve might bring back some of their servers for random pubs later on.

I agree with the quickiebomb though. No idea why they made an already OP weapon more OP.
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#226
14 Frags +
downnpourwhy do i get matchmaking cooldown for leaving a pub

why aren't pubs pubs

[quote=downnpour]why do i get matchmaking cooldown for leaving a pub[/quote]
why aren't pubs pubs
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#227
-3 Frags +
SchweppesI'm just surprised they didn't touch the darwins danger shield since that's still one of the game's most broken items

What would you do to it that wouldn't just make it go from OP to completely usless though? I think that's an item that needs to just be removed or be completely changed to do something else.

The cozy camper change just made it completely useless now for example imo. The change makes sense in the context of 6s where one fully scoped shot could mean a huge pick. However, in the context of HL, using it means you have no spy protection (razorback) or an smg which was already a decision you had to make and made it viable and balanced imo. So it basically just messed up HL snipers to favor a 6s mentality of the game I guess. Which seems like a slippery slope to me if every item will be balanced for the context of 6s.

[quote=Schweppes]I'm just surprised they didn't touch the darwins danger shield since that's still one of the game's most broken items[/quote]
What would you do to it that wouldn't just make it go from OP to completely usless though? I think that's an item that needs to just be removed or be completely changed to do something else.

The cozy camper change just made it completely useless now for example imo. The change makes sense in the context of 6s where one fully scoped shot could mean a huge pick. However, in the context of HL, using it means you have no spy protection (razorback) or an smg which was already a decision you had to make and made it viable and balanced imo. So it basically just messed up HL snipers to favor a 6s mentality of the game I guess. Which seems like a slippery slope to me if every item will be balanced for the context of 6s.
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#228
1 Frags +
Blanket_SchweppesI'm just surprised they didn't touch the darwins danger shield since that's still one of the game's most broken itemsWhat would you do to it that wouldn't just make it go from OP to completely usless though? I think that's an item that needs to just be removed or be completely changed to do something else.

The cozy camper change just made it completely useless now for example imo.

bingo, it just shouldn't allow snipers to survive uncharged sniper shots since it completely ruins the matchup

[quote=Blanket_][quote=Schweppes]I'm just surprised they didn't touch the darwins danger shield since that's still one of the game's most broken items[/quote]
What would you do to it that wouldn't just make it go from OP to completely usless though? I think that's an item that needs to just be removed or b[b]e completely changed to do something else.
[/b]
The cozy camper change just made it completely useless now for example imo.[/quote]
bingo, it just shouldn't allow snipers to survive uncharged sniper shots since it completely ruins the matchup
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#229
0 Frags +
SchweppesI'm just surprised they didn't touch the darwins danger shield since that's still one of the game's most broken items

So frustrating to play against, wouldn't be surprised if it became a standard for snipers in MM.

[quote=Schweppes]I'm just surprised they didn't touch the darwins danger shield since that's still one of the game's most broken items[/quote]
So frustrating to play against, wouldn't be surprised if it became a standard for snipers in MM.
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#230
-3 Frags +

my payload casual game just ended after attacking, no team switch
reminds me of ow quicksearch :^)

my payload casual game just ended after attacking, no team switch
reminds me of ow quicksearch :^)
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#231
4 Frags +
Blanket_There are so many servers out there.

I'm sure there are plenty of good community servers in EU and NA. But in Australia and other smaller regions there are barely any good community servers which aren't riddled with plugins and have bad maps. Now we have to get lucky with queuing up to find the maps we want to play.

[quote=Blanket_]
There are so many servers out there.
[/quote]

I'm sure there are plenty of good community servers in EU and NA. But in Australia and other smaller regions there are barely any good community servers which aren't riddled with plugins and have bad maps. Now we have to get lucky with queuing up to find the maps we want to play.
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#232
0 Frags +

Anyone else think the quick-fix nerf was dissapointingly small? the movement it grants + 40% faster heals went untouched

cirloalso: i feel like they should add an animation to the alt attack of the shortstop

it works for me, or do you mean external animation out of viewmodels?
they probably forgot testing a few animations for this update, from what you mention and how the new rocket jumper clips with your hand when you reload

Anyone else think the quick-fix nerf was dissapointingly small? the movement it grants + 40% faster heals went untouched

[quote=cirlo]also: i feel like they should add an animation to the alt attack of the shortstop[/quote]
it works for me, or do you mean external animation out of viewmodels?
they probably forgot testing a few animations for this update, from what you mention and how the new rocket jumper clips with your hand when you reload
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#233
14 Frags +

Is zoom_sense_ratio really fixed to 1? fuck that dude..

Is zoom_sense_ratio really fixed to 1? fuck that dude..
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#234
-5 Frags +

Items I feel should have been changed in this update, that were not
Change sandman
Change bonk
Change the engi remove projectile gun thing
Change the slow thing on Natasha
Change darwins
Change wrangler
Change vita saw
Most of them just have a idea that is silly and should be reworked/removed imo

Nerf quickfix more
Nerf atomizer
Nerf the mini crit shotgun for pyro
Nerf rescue ranger
Nerf sandwich
Nerf the speedy gloves for heavy
Nerf solemn vow
There is prob more, these are off the top of my head.

They did a great job with most of the item changes, just feel like some of the most unbalanced items got left out.
Also, buff quickiebomb some more, needs +825 health and scout speed when equipped

Items I feel should have been changed in this update, that were not
Change sandman
Change bonk
Change the engi remove projectile gun thing
Change the slow thing on Natasha
Change darwins
Change wrangler
Change vita saw
Most of them just have a idea that is silly and should be reworked/removed imo

Nerf quickfix more
Nerf atomizer
Nerf the mini crit shotgun for pyro
Nerf rescue ranger
Nerf sandwich
Nerf the speedy gloves for heavy
Nerf solemn vow
There is prob more, these are off the top of my head.

They did a great job with most of the item changes, just feel like some of the most unbalanced items got left out.
Also, buff quickiebomb some more, needs +825 health and scout speed when equipped
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#235
7 Frags +

6v6 payload (puke)

6v6 payload (puke)
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#236
7 Frags +

why did they remove quickplay, i dont want to get Penaltys if i only want to Play for 10 minutes. Also it takes so Long to find a match

why did they remove quickplay, i dont want to get Penaltys if i only want to Play for 10 minutes. Also it takes so Long to find a match
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#237
6 Frags +

This casual play is going to bring people back to community servers to play some good ol' pubs hopefully.

This casual play is going to bring people back to community servers to play some good ol' pubs hopefully.
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#238
5 Frags +
colboltBlanket_There are so many servers out there.
I'm sure there are plenty of good community servers in EU and NA. But in Australia and other smaller regions there are barely good community servers which aren't riddled with plugins and have bad maps. Now we have to get lucky with queuing up to find the maps we want to play.

Same in Asia. Either join a queue that doesn't currently even move or use the server browser to play cp_orange and plr_hightower.

[quote=colbolt][quote=Blanket_]
There are so many servers out there.
[/quote]

I'm sure there are plenty of good community servers in EU and NA. But in Australia and other smaller regions there are barely good community servers which aren't riddled with plugins and have bad maps. Now we have to get lucky with queuing up to find the maps we want to play.[/quote]

Same in Asia. Either join a queue that doesn't currently even move or use the server browser to play cp_orange and plr_hightower.
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#239
8 Frags +

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#240
12 Frags +

I don't get how 2000 players are searching nearby with 3800 empty gameservers and we've been waiting for 5-10 minutes minimum in queue.
Same thing for casual...

I don't get how 2000 players are searching nearby with 3800 empty gameservers and we've been waiting for 5-10 minutes minimum in queue.
Same thing for casual...
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