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it frustrates me because i'll never be able to shitpost as hard as the people who keep making these threads
flatlinemy favorite esports are smash bore and counter-snore: global impasse
tbh CSGO has a natural inability to actually stalemate that TF2 can never match
[quote=flatline]my favorite esports are smash bore and counter-snore: global impasse[/quote]
tbh CSGO has a natural inability to actually stalemate that TF2 can never match
tbh CSGO has a natural inability to actually stalemate that TF2 can never match
tf2 isn't going anywhere but who gives a fuck honestly
if you went into competitive expecting fame or money it should've always been clear that it wouldn't be the case
I just want ESEA not to drop the game pls
tf2 isn't going anywhere but who gives a fuck honestly
if you went into competitive expecting fame or money it should've always been clear that it wouldn't be the case
I just want ESEA not to drop the game pls
if you went into competitive expecting fame or money it should've always been clear that it wouldn't be the case
I just want ESEA not to drop the game pls
At least if TF2 died these threads wouldn't be made.
At least if TF2 died these threads wouldn't be made.
can someone make a compilation of people saying i<XX> will be the last i series LAN for tf2
can someone make a compilation of people saying i<XX> will be the last i series LAN for tf2
at least were getting a new quake next year. next chance at a decent game
at least were getting a new quake next year. next chance at a decent game
bastiat least were getting a new quake next year. next chance at a decent game
u said the same thing about overwatchy
[quote=basti]at least were getting a new quake next year. next chance at a decent game[/quote]
u said the same thing about overwatchy
u said the same thing about overwatchy
zeSIMONThe sad thing is that OW isn't even a good or better competitve shooter than TF2.
People just leave because of the money :/
I wouldn't be so sad if pro's were leaving for the new Quake or something (if it turns out to be good)
"it must be the money they couldnt possibly leave because of any other reason!!"
[quote=zeSIMON]The sad thing is that OW isn't even a good or better competitve shooter than TF2.
People just leave because of the money :/
I wouldn't be so sad if pro's were leaving for the new Quake or something (if it turns out to be good)[/quote]
"it must be the money they couldnt possibly leave because of any other reason!!"
People just leave because of the money :/
I wouldn't be so sad if pro's were leaving for the new Quake or something (if it turns out to be good)[/quote]
"it must be the money they couldnt possibly leave because of any other reason!!"
downpourzeSIMONThe sad thing is that OW isn't even a good or better competitve shooter than TF2."it must be the money they couldnt possibly leave because of any other reason!!"
People just leave because of the money :/
I wouldn't be so sad if pro's were leaving for the new Quake or something (if it turns out to be good)
While i agree with you that the money isnt the only thing and some people do enjoy overwatch, i would reckon the more money and "fame" that overwatch had was the deciding factor for a lot of people who left tf2. Im sure most still like tf2, im sure most like overwatch, but the deciding factor would be the money. I mean you are deciding between money and playing a video game you enjoy and no money and playing a video game you enjoy. I dont blame them for making the easy choice. I would probably do the same
[quote=downpour][quote=zeSIMON]The sad thing is that OW isn't even a good or better competitve shooter than TF2.
People just leave because of the money :/
I wouldn't be so sad if pro's were leaving for the new Quake or something (if it turns out to be good)[/quote]
"it must be the money they couldnt possibly leave because of any other reason!!"[/quote]
While i agree with you that the money isnt the only thing and some people do enjoy overwatch, i would reckon the more money and "fame" that overwatch had was the deciding factor for a lot of people who left tf2. Im sure most still like tf2, im sure most like overwatch, but the deciding factor would be the money. I mean you are deciding between money and playing a video game you enjoy and no money and playing a video game you enjoy. I dont blame them for making the easy choice. I would probably do the same
People just leave because of the money :/
I wouldn't be so sad if pro's were leaving for the new Quake or something (if it turns out to be good)[/quote]
"it must be the money they couldnt possibly leave because of any other reason!!"[/quote]
While i agree with you that the money isnt the only thing and some people do enjoy overwatch, i would reckon the more money and "fame" that overwatch had was the deciding factor for a lot of people who left tf2. Im sure most still like tf2, im sure most like overwatch, but the deciding factor would be the money. I mean you are deciding between money and playing a video game you enjoy and no money and playing a video game you enjoy. I dont blame them for making the easy choice. I would probably do the same
PendjiValve could give TF2 the CS:GO treatment and save face in 2 months. People still play it a lot and use the marketplace with zero effort from Valve. Why would they save it?
Holy fuck TF.TV people are naive when it comes to saving TF2.
There's 0 interest and/or demand for competitive TF2. What makes me say that? You can see it in the numbers when you go and find a MM game. 500 people in Europe searching for a game, maybe around 5000 in the whole world (IIRC). That isn't exactly something that one would regard as actual "demand". Think about it. It's just not realistic.
Yes, it would be nice and all if TF2 grew, but you simply don't expect it from a game that's 8 years old, has extremely bad performance considering the graphics, fucked up engine, and the balance of weapons and other shit that it currently has. You'd basically have to change almost everything to make it seem fresh and new. In that case Valve would just be better of making a new game. It's just not worth fixing all the shit that's broken or plain bad with the current one.
That's why Valve isn't giving it the "CS:GO treatment", and that is why the game won't get bigger. It's just not a game worth sinking multiple thousands of dollars into.
[quote=Pendji]Valve could give TF2 the CS:GO treatment and save face in 2 months. People still play it a lot and use the marketplace with zero effort from Valve. Why would they save it?[/quote]
Holy fuck TF.TV people are naive when it comes to saving TF2.
There's 0 interest and/or demand for competitive TF2. What makes me say that? You can see it in the numbers when you go and find a MM game. 500 people in Europe searching for a game, maybe around 5000 in the whole world (IIRC). That isn't exactly something that one would regard as actual "demand". Think about it. It's just not realistic.
Yes, it would be nice and all if TF2 grew, but you simply don't expect it from a game that's 8 years old, has extremely bad performance considering the graphics, fucked up engine, and the balance of weapons and other shit that it currently has. You'd basically have to change almost everything to make it seem fresh and new. In that case Valve would just be better of making a new game. It's just not worth fixing all the shit that's broken or plain bad with the current one.
That's why Valve isn't giving it the "CS:GO treatment", and that is why the game won't get bigger. It's just not a game worth sinking multiple thousands of dollars into.
Holy fuck TF.TV people are naive when it comes to saving TF2.
There's 0 interest and/or demand for competitive TF2. What makes me say that? You can see it in the numbers when you go and find a MM game. 500 people in Europe searching for a game, maybe around 5000 in the whole world (IIRC). That isn't exactly something that one would regard as actual "demand". Think about it. It's just not realistic.
Yes, it would be nice and all if TF2 grew, but you simply don't expect it from a game that's 8 years old, has extremely bad performance considering the graphics, fucked up engine, and the balance of weapons and other shit that it currently has. You'd basically have to change almost everything to make it seem fresh and new. In that case Valve would just be better of making a new game. It's just not worth fixing all the shit that's broken or plain bad with the current one.
That's why Valve isn't giving it the "CS:GO treatment", and that is why the game won't get bigger. It's just not a game worth sinking multiple thousands of dollars into.
flatlinemy favorite esports are smash bore and counter-snore: global impasse
maybe it's just me but I find csgo to be a great game to watch. even before I played the game and knew what was going on it was fun to watch.
overwatch on the other hand is not fun to watch and tf2 can get really boring with stalemates and shit casters.
personally I don't think tf2 will survive much longer. with the growing importance of twitch viewership and big prize money I can't imagine people will keep investing time in a game where there's neither right now. especially when people know that their skills can be transferred over to a newer and more alive game and likely make a career out of it.
[quote=flatline]my favorite esports are smash bore and counter-snore: global impasse[/quote]
maybe it's just me but I find csgo to be a great game to watch. even before I played the game and knew what was going on it was fun to watch.
overwatch on the other hand is not fun to watch and tf2 can get really boring with stalemates and shit casters.
personally I don't think tf2 will survive much longer. with the growing importance of twitch viewership and big prize money I can't imagine people will keep investing time in a game where there's neither right now. especially when people know that their skills can be transferred over to a newer and more alive game and likely make a career out of it.
maybe it's just me but I find csgo to be a great game to watch. even before I played the game and knew what was going on it was fun to watch.
overwatch on the other hand is not fun to watch and tf2 can get really boring with stalemates and shit casters.
personally I don't think tf2 will survive much longer. with the growing importance of twitch viewership and big prize money I can't imagine people will keep investing time in a game where there's neither right now. especially when people know that their skills can be transferred over to a newer and more alive game and likely make a career out of it.
valve has been trying to kill the game for years. tf2 will never die.
valve has been trying to kill the game for years. tf2 will never die.
I don't think the issue with competitive TF2 is that pub players don't know it exists. Even prior to MM I would see pubbers talking about "comp players" or whatever in servers. I think the player base of TF2 is mostly very young and uninterested in competitive.
I think the best way to grow competitive TF2 is to promote it to players of other eSports, promote its unique movement mechanics or its projectile physics, things that aren't in other games. (Those are the things I love about TF2 but I'm sure there are plenty of other selling points.) Lots of old competitive players like carnage and numlocked came specifically for the competitive scene if I'm not mistaken.
I don't think the issue with competitive TF2 is that pub players don't know it exists. Even prior to MM I would see pubbers talking about "comp players" or whatever in servers. I think the player base of TF2 is mostly very young and uninterested in competitive.
I think the best way to grow competitive TF2 is to promote it to players of other eSports, promote its unique movement mechanics or its projectile physics, things that aren't in other games. (Those are the things I love about TF2 but I'm sure there are plenty of other selling points.) Lots of old competitive players like carnage and numlocked came specifically for the competitive scene if I'm not mistaken.
I think the best way to grow competitive TF2 is to promote it to players of other eSports, promote its unique movement mechanics or its projectile physics, things that aren't in other games. (Those are the things I love about TF2 but I'm sure there are plenty of other selling points.) Lots of old competitive players like carnage and numlocked came specifically for the competitive scene if I'm not mistaken.
not to mention the copious amounts of neglect we get from valve. they rarely fix any of the bugs we report to them, they break our huds all the time and have blocked us from using innocent plugins that were competitive staples like p-rec. they have shown us time and time again that they really do not give a shit. they spent months working on this matchmaking thing and I'm pretty sure it's trash, idk I haven't tried it. tf2 used to be a game you could play on the shittiest of machines, now you need a decent setup to keep a playable frame rate with a 120/144hz monitor. tf2 could have been bigger but valve didn't help/let us do that. as a community we've probably brought in thousands of new players to the game who in turn buy hats and shit and make valve millions. none of that was invested back into our community for production crews or tournaments or anything.
I think it's safe to say valve killed tf2
not to mention the copious amounts of neglect we get from valve. they rarely fix any of the bugs we report to them, they break our huds all the time and have blocked us from using innocent plugins that were competitive staples like p-rec. they have shown us time and time again that they really do not give a shit. they spent months working on this matchmaking thing and I'm pretty sure it's trash, idk I haven't tried it. tf2 used to be a game you could play on the shittiest of machines, now you need a decent setup to keep a playable frame rate with a 120/144hz monitor. tf2 could have been bigger but valve didn't help/let us do that. as a community we've probably brought in thousands of new players to the game who in turn buy hats and shit and make valve millions. none of that was invested back into our community for production crews or tournaments or anything.
I think it's safe to say valve killed tf2
I think it's safe to say valve killed tf2
KissakalaPendjiValve could give TF2 the CS:GO treatment and save face in 2 months. People still play it a lot and use the marketplace with zero effort from Valve. Why would they save it?
Holy fuck TF.TV people are naive when it comes to saving TF2.
There's 0 interest and/or demand for competitive TF2. What makes me say that? You can see it in the numbers when you go and find a MM game. 500 people in Europe searching for a game, maybe around 5000 in the whole world (IIRC). That isn't exactly something that one would regard as actual "demand". Think about it. It's just not realistic.
Yes, it would be nice and all if TF2 grew, but you simply don't expect it from a game that's 8 years old, has extremely bad performance considering the graphics, fucked up engine, and the balance of weapons and other shit that it currently has. You'd basically have to change almost everything to make it seem fresh and new. In that case Valve would just be better of making a new game. It's just not worth fixing all the shit that's broken or plain bad with the current one.
That's why Valve isn't giving it the "CS:GO treatment", and that is why the game won't get bigger. It's just not a game worth sinking multiple thousands of dollars into.
There's a huge demand for comp. It's waning now, but it's still there. The reason people don't play matchmaking isn't because they don't want to play comp; it's because matchmaking is incredibly fucking bad for new and old players alike. It's not that Valve isn't working on TF2 because there's no demand. Valve has completely fucking murdered all demand for TF2 by not working on it.
[quote=Kissakala][quote=Pendji]Valve could give TF2 the CS:GO treatment and save face in 2 months. People still play it a lot and use the marketplace with zero effort from Valve. Why would they save it?[/quote]
Holy fuck TF.TV people are naive when it comes to saving TF2.
There's 0 interest and/or demand for competitive TF2. What makes me say that? You can see it in the numbers when you go and find a MM game. 500 people in Europe searching for a game, maybe around 5000 in the whole world (IIRC). That isn't exactly something that one would regard as actual "demand". Think about it. It's just not realistic.
Yes, it would be nice and all if TF2 grew, but you simply don't expect it from a game that's 8 years old, has extremely bad performance considering the graphics, fucked up engine, and the balance of weapons and other shit that it currently has. You'd basically have to change almost everything to make it seem fresh and new. In that case Valve would just be better of making a new game. It's just not worth fixing all the shit that's broken or plain bad with the current one.
That's why Valve isn't giving it the "CS:GO treatment", and that is why the game won't get bigger. It's just not a game worth sinking multiple thousands of dollars into.[/quote]
There's a huge demand for comp. It's waning now, but it's still there. The reason people don't play matchmaking isn't because they don't want to play comp; it's because matchmaking is incredibly fucking bad for new and old players alike. It's not that Valve isn't working on TF2 because there's no demand. Valve has completely fucking murdered all demand for TF2 by not working on it.
Holy fuck TF.TV people are naive when it comes to saving TF2.
There's 0 interest and/or demand for competitive TF2. What makes me say that? You can see it in the numbers when you go and find a MM game. 500 people in Europe searching for a game, maybe around 5000 in the whole world (IIRC). That isn't exactly something that one would regard as actual "demand". Think about it. It's just not realistic.
Yes, it would be nice and all if TF2 grew, but you simply don't expect it from a game that's 8 years old, has extremely bad performance considering the graphics, fucked up engine, and the balance of weapons and other shit that it currently has. You'd basically have to change almost everything to make it seem fresh and new. In that case Valve would just be better of making a new game. It's just not worth fixing all the shit that's broken or plain bad with the current one.
That's why Valve isn't giving it the "CS:GO treatment", and that is why the game won't get bigger. It's just not a game worth sinking multiple thousands of dollars into.[/quote]
There's a huge demand for comp. It's waning now, but it's still there. The reason people don't play matchmaking isn't because they don't want to play comp; it's because matchmaking is incredibly fucking bad for new and old players alike. It's not that Valve isn't working on TF2 because there's no demand. Valve has completely fucking murdered all demand for TF2 by not working on it.
rocketslaywhy does jill respond to r/tf2 more than tftv smh
because reddit is a bigger userbase, also, why should she have to encourage people to play competitive on a competitive forum
[quote=rocketslay]why does jill respond to r/tf2 more than tftv smh[/quote]
because reddit is a bigger userbase, also, why should she have to encourage people to play competitive on a competitive forum
because reddit is a bigger userbase, also, why should she have to encourage people to play competitive on a competitive forum
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